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Universal_Man

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Hi,
this is a new post to discuss FACTS Yes or No like Sabbath, Tithe, Under Grace or Under Law and More!
 

Elizabeth619

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Do you want facts or just what universalism teaches?
 
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Let's start with Sabbath. Universalism teaches? Sorry for my name. I do not know why i choosed that name. But i do want only the truth and not alibi, universal, bla bla teachings. :)=
 

Elizabeth619

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Let's start with Sabbath. Universalism teaches? Sorry for my name. I do not know why i choosed that name. But i do want only the truth and not alibi, universal, bla bla teachings. :)=
Then what are the facts? You began the thread. Do you keep the Sabbath or no?
 
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Universal_Man

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The sabbath is one thing i do not understand fully. I heard it is from Fridaynight till Saturdaynight. Some said if we keep it that way it is not walking spiritual it is walking in law because of looking days. So about this i am really not sure. Do you keep it? And when yes when?

I would like to have an exact answer in that case maybe you can help :=)
 

JaumeJ

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Hello. The fact about the Sabbath is simple, the concept and the rules governing the Sabbath are credited to our Heavenly Father having included this in the ten commandments He gave to Moses.
Tithing, as I understand from the Word, is taking 10% of the surplus or profit of your fiscal year and presenting it to the Levitical priest for the priests, for the people and for the orphan, the widow and the sojourner. It was considered the nation of God, Yahweh, and this was just part of the economic system employed by the Children of Israel. It was not strictly to support the priests.
According to the Word, all who claim the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, as being propitiation for their sins are forgiven, and the guilt of their sin is overlooked by God. The Laws are good, but the curse of the law no longer exists for any who claim the Blood of Jesus, Yahweh's Lamb. The curse of the law is the punishment provided with the law, it is no longer...the punishment that is.
If you need chapter and verse, read the first five Books of the Word, and you should understand about the law, Sabbath and tithing. Then read the Gospel of John, the shortest, and the one that talks most about love.
If a person believes Jesus, he has passed from death to life. I hope and pray this has satisfied your curiosity somewhat and perhaps blessed you. Vielen Dank..
Hi,
this is a new post to discuss FACTS Yes or No like Sabbath, Tithe, Under Grace or Under Law and More!
 

Elizabeth619

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The root meaning for Sabbath is "to cease or rest"

God rested on the 7th day after creation, and the Israelites were to cease work on that one day. (the "work week" existed since the beginning of time lol)
Also, there is no record of anyone observing the Sabbath until the time of Moses. Keep this in mind.

Sabbath Law:
* "It was not with our fathers that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today." Deuteronomy 5:1-3, 12-15
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God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses on Mt. Sinai. These laws were not given to everyone! They were meant only for Israel Exodus 20:8-11
*God gave Israel a sign between them because He brought them out of Egypt. Ezekiel 20:10-12
*God made known to Israel His laws through Moses. This included the Sabbath. Nehemiah 9:12-14
*This tells us the Sabbath law was given only to Israel and no other people.

End of Sabbath Law:
*The 10 commandments(Law of Moses) was the law that separated the Jews from the Gentiles
*Today we are dead to the Law of Moses (Romans 7:4-7)
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Those who appeal to the old law make make themselves a debtor to do the whole old law. Galatians 5:2-3

What Christians are commanded to do:
*Worship together on the first day of the week.
Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2
*There is no separation between people like there was in the OT Galatians 3:23-28.
*There is a "rest" coming for the faithful Christian. Heb 4:1-11

 
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Hi JaumeJ,
vielen Dank = thank you very much. In spiritlessons.com from Angelica Zambrano the 2nd she wrote about tithe and so...you ever saw? Do you tithe?
 

Elizabeth619

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Hi JaumeJ,
vielen Dank = thank you very much. In spiritlessons.com from Angelica Zambrano the 2nd she wrote about tithe and so...you ever saw? Do you tithe?
You believe that website?
 

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Wilkommen zu (heir). Bad. My faith does not allow my saying, however I can say this. According to what tithing was originally, to call taking up a collection has nothing to do with it, since there is no state run by a church. Now giving to support the congregation is a wonderful practice. It is written the workman is worthy of his wages, also it is written not to muzzle the ox when it is treading out the wheat. We must provide for our leaders, it is a moral responsibility, but it is also the responsibility of our leaders not to use the Word for gross profit. Everything in moderation. Addressing the Sabbath, some do believe the Sabbath is only for Jews, yet I believe Jesus or Yeshua is the King of the Jews, and He is my King, though I am not Jewish by blood, as far as I know. So, I love to observe the Sabbath on the seventh day, since that is the order of things according to the Word. People who wish to observe the Sabbath on the first day of the week are not guilty of sin either, however there is no place in the Word where it is explained that the Sabbath is changed to the first day of the week. This change was made by man, and my understanding is it was made so the church would not have to observe the Sabbath on the same day as the Jews. My problem with the first day, is that the seventh day represents a lot more to me than just the Sabbath. It also represents the thousand years of peace with our Lord. Because I fear (respect) our Maker, I would never pretend to believe the day He designated could possibly be changed by His creatures. No foul, no fault. This is a reply to you, and it is not designed to be responded to by anyone other. Ich liebe Osterreich....
Hi JaumeJ,
vielen Dank = thank you very much. In spiritlessons.com from Angelica Zambrano the 2nd she wrote about tithe and so...you ever saw? Do you tithe?
 
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@Elizabeth 619 Hey i do not believe that website > Read Jeremia 17:5 We have to be careful what we believe and trust.

What do you say about this website really? When i saw it first time i was shocked about that website. It made me bit confused in my believe a few days also in the past.
 

JaumeJ

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Ich bin tot. I did not answer your question. Forgive that. I do not practice reading writings "about" the Word or watching videos either, so, for now I am not familiar with it. It is fine with me if you want to tell me about it since you are here and available for conversation on the subject..........[QUOTE=Universal_Man;935833]Hi JaumeJ,
vielen Dank = thank you very much. In spiritlessons.com from Angelica Zambrano the 2nd she wrote about tithe and so...you ever saw? Do you tithe?[/QUOTE]
 
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Hi,
thanks for the answer. I have now to leave! We write please next time. Yes Austria is cool. Come one day to ski!
 

JaumeJ

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Thanks, but my skiing is worse than my Austrian.......Auf wieder sehen....
 
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Hi!

Let talk about Baptize.

What is really true and right:

1. Baptize in the Name Jesus
2. Bapitze in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

I heard 1.! 2. i heard that it was added to the Word of God from Human (Jeremia 17:5) i do not trust that because i did not check it.

But for me the 1. is right.

God bless you all. Let's go to Heaven. Bye.
 
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Paul teaches very clearly in Hebrews 4 that the 7th-day Sabbath was a type and a shadow of the day of salvation wherein the children of God would rest from their own works and enter into the kingdom of God by faith. This is the day of salvation that the Sabbath foreshadowed!

Under the New Covenant we are not required to tithe because everything we have belongs to God and we are merely stewards of His blessings to use them for the furtherance of His Kingdom.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer
 
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loveme1

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It is a delight to Keep Sabbath.
 

JaumeJ

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All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The teaching above from Matthew 28:19-20 is the only specific teaching I find in the Word on water baptism. Keep in mind always, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are ONE, so it should really not make a difference as long as the one being baptized is surrendered to obedience to the Gospel as delivered by Jesus Christ. In agreement with Loveme1's post, I observe the Sabbath on the Seventh Day because it is a joy. It is not a dogma of any religion, I like to try to adhere as closely as possible to what I believe Jesus did, because He is all in all to anyone who follows Him. You may be interested in the latest post by Pickles about a verse in Romans. It sounds like something you would like to pursue. God bless you always, in Yeshua's name, amen....
Hi!

Let talk about Baptize.

What is really true and right:

1. Baptize in the Name Jesus
2. Bapitze in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

I heard 1.! 2. i heard that it was added to the Word of God from Human (Jeremia 17:5) i do not trust that because i did not check it.

But for me the 1. is right.

God bless you all. Let's go to Heaven. Bye.
 

homwardbound

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Hi,
this is a new post to discuss FACTS Yes or No like Sabbath, Tithe, Under Grace or Under Law and More!
first I read all the other posts to get a grip on what you are seeking, and I see it is truth as I amand all others hwere are as well.
Hebrews 3 and 4 answer the Sabbath well about entering God's rest as God rested on the seventh day. And yes according to Law the Sabbath day that is worshipped is Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown and Jesus was found as Risen on early sunday morning Ithink it was Mary that wen to the tomb and saw this that morning, anyway this is why Man decided and changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
Now this is What the scripture says abouts worship, eating, and waht is actually for today after Christ took away all sin in the sight of his Father so Father could live in you via the Holy Ghost the very first day of your belief in him
Romans 14

New International Version (NIV)

The Weak and the Strong

14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]18 [/SUP]because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Footnotes:
Hoping the above helps we are free but we are not to use this freedom to condemn take advantage of, only to appreciate in Love
Now about baptism John said after he water baptized Jesus that the Messiah has arrived. Then he went on to say that he must decrease and that Jesus must increase, that John he baptized with water but Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

Today we are not under water baptismal we are under Holy Spirit baptism
For there is
Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Since there is only one baptism I chose baptism of the Holy Ghost with fire and asked for the fire to be turned on to burn out my flesh and cive in God it has been an ongoing process but Itrust God to finish the work in me that he started

Tithing:
Is mentioned no where in the new Testament after the death of Christ being in the new Covenant where God does not view us on the basis of Sin any longer after His Son took care of all sin athe cross
The best desciption forgiving under the new Covenant is Found in 2 Cor. 8,9, and 10. Today it is not about ten percent it is about a heart of giving and that does stop or start at money it ios about love God's type 1 Cor. 13

Grace or Law or both at the same time:
Grace only not under law or can ever mix the two:

Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

Romans 8:10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
Romans 8:34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
Romans 8:39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 10:4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
1 Corinthians 1:9God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
No law and this is just a few verses above there are many more, we those that are believers are in Christ and no longer under Law
Can't mix the two it doing this is like putting new wine into old wine skins. The old Wine skins ( our bodies) have had already had wine in them and has fermented (been Stretched out), all the things wqe have learned of this world and how to act.
So when one puts new wine into Old wine skins, when the wine ferments the wine skin stetches out further and bursts, this is the same with trying to perform the Law and try to be under grace at the same time eventually one bursts in shame that they can't do it, then they either see truth form that point orthey give up and do not try anymore im unbelief or if they see truth from here they will here that they are forgiven and quit trying to stay clean in and of themselves and start to just trust in him, tha the by the cross has made you clean complete
Does oil and water mix? Neither does Law and Grace
Romans 6:14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Thanks hope this helps in what you are looking for
 

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All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The teaching above from Matthew 28:19-20 is the only specific teaching I find in the Word on water baptism. Keep in mind always, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are ONE, so it should really not make a difference as long as the one being baptized is surrendered to obedience to the Gospel as delivered by Jesus Christ. In agreement with Loveme1's post, I observe the Sabbath on the Seventh Day because it is a joy. It is not a dogma of any religion, I like to try to adhere as closely as possible to what I believe Jesus did, because He is all in all to anyone who follows Him. You may be interested in the latest post by Pickles about a verse in Romans. It sounds like something you would like to pursue. God bless you always, in Yeshua's name, amen....
We are not under water babtism today we are under Holy Ghost baptism today
Ephesians 4:5one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease
Matthew 3:11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Mark 1:8I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Luke 3:16John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
John 1:33I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
Acts 11:16Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Somwhich Baptism to you want the worlds way of water to look good and get memebership into thier place and way of worship or Baptism of the Holy Ghost and be a citizen of Heaven put back here on theearth as an ambassdor representing the kingdom of heaven in its peace, joy, and righteousness that came to you by the Holy Ghost. I know which baptism I choose since there is only one, how about any of you all?