Faith: Who exercises it?

[Magenta]

Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[Chris1975]

I just saw this thread now, and yet had worked on this panel throughout much of today

It was meant to be then !!

 

[JamOn]

Came across the beauty of the Amplified Bible translation of 1 Peter 1v3-9.

There is so much that is said and so much beauty in these verses. I will copy them here for all to appreciate. Read them slowly and meditate on what the Holy Spirit is showing you.

1 Peter 1v3-9
3 Blessed [gratefully praised and adored] be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant and boundless mercy has caused us to be born again [that is, to be reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] to an ever-living hope and confident assurance through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 [born anew] into an inheritance which is imperishable [beyond the reach of change] and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are being protected and shielded by the power of God through your faith for salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time. 6 In this you rejoice greatly, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7 so that the genuineness of your faith, which is much more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested and purified by fire, may be found to result in [your] praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8 Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not even see Him now, you believe and trust in Him and you greatly rejoice and delight with inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 receiving as the result [the outcome, the consummation] of your faith, the salvation of [a]your souls.

it’s pretty good though I’m not fond of the use of consummation, I know second meanings can be of complete and finalized but the main meaning is sexual relationship to complete the marriage. every bible has it quarks but it might of been better to use another word than that word.

here’s one that seems ok.

3 Blessed be God, the Father of our Lord Jesus the Messiah, who in his great mercy hath begotten us anew, by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus the Messiah, to the hope of life, 4 and to an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled, and unfading, which is prepared for you in heaven; 5 while ye are kept, by the power of God and by faith, for the life that is prepared and will be revealed in the last times; 6 wherein ye will rejoice for ever, notwithstanding ye at the present time are pressed a little, by the various trials that pass over you;
7 so that the proof of your faith may appear more precious than refined gold that is tested by fire, unto glory and honor and praise, at the manifestation of Jesus the Messiah: 8 whom having not seen, ye love; and in the faith of whom ye rejoice, with joy that is glorious and ineffable, 9 that ye may receive the recompense of your faith, the life of your souls;

 

[garee]

Please forgive the volume of this post. Skip to the bottom for the summary if you like.

The issue, as I see it (which is perhaps different than what the OP was thinking), is an apparent contradiction between the phrases, "faith of Christ" and "faith in Christ". The KJV uses "faith of Christ" or close variants in several places, and at least one KJV-only advocate argues that it is Christ's faith that justifies us, according to Galatians 2:16.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? (NASB: faithfulness)

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (NASB: faith in)

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (NASB: faith in for both)

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (NASB: faith in)

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (NASB: faith in)

Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. (NASB: faith in)

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (NASB: faith in)

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (NASB: your faith in)

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (NASB: their faith in)

However, it also talks about the faith of people:

Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. (NASB: the faith of)

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (NASB: the faith of)

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. (NASB: the faith of)

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; (NASB: the faith of)

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (NASB: the faith of).

Other than in cases using the singular-specific "thy", there is no disagreement between NASB and KJV in the 35 places that Scripture uses the phrase, "your faith", meaning the faith of people. Not a single one attributes the locus of faith to Christ or God, though He is the object of faith in every case.

Returning to the verses where the NASB differs from the KJV, not a single one has a textual variant. That means that the difference is entirely one of interpretation; how the KJV translators used "of" and how it is used today. Because the locus of faith is always in the believer(s) where they are being addressed directly, it is reasonable to conclude that the locus of faith is also in the believer in the "faith of" verses. In other words, "faith of" is a 16th century way of saying "faith in". It isn't the faith "located in Jesus" that justifies us, according to Galatians 2:16, but the faith located in us. God/Christ is the object of faith, not the "exerciser" of it.

Because the faith of Christ, God's faith, does not come from us. But does come after a labor of His love or work of faith many change the to the word in rather than of coming from. The self edifying doctrine of men.

Turning it upside down as if that which is being formed moved by the hands of the potter exchanged ownership .

Its without the exclusive faith of Christ working in a person new heart that makes it impossible please God. He is the cause and effect. The Just and one who works to justify those without faith .

Note. . (red in parenthesis) my added suggestion,

Hebrew 11: 6 But without faith (Christs) it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We cannot come to him unless he gives us the faith to make it possible to seek him .

from my experience changing the word of to in in the opening commandment of James 2 it destroys the usage throughout the rest of the chapter in the end taking away the imputed work . . as if it came after Rehab or Abraham rather that the power they had in the earthen bodies not of us.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that (Christ's) faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how (Christ's) faith wrought with his works, and by works was (Christ's) faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, ( as a result of His Holy Spirit working in Abraham) and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. James 2: 20-23

 

[Dino246]

Because the faith of Christ, God's faith, does not come from us. But does come after a labor of His love or work of faith many change the to the word in rather than of coming from. The self edifying doctrine of men.

Garee, please take a class in basic English. The above is word salad, not meaningful sentences; there isn't even one complete sentence.

Its without the exclusive faith of Christ working in a person new heart that makes it impossible please God. He is the cause and effect. The Just and one who works to justify those without faith .

We cannot come to him unless he gives us the faith to make it possible to seek him .

The thread question is about the locus of faith: who exercises it, not where does it originate.

 

[JamOn]

Because the faith of Christ, God's faith, does not come from us. But does come after a labor of His love or work of faith many change the to the word in rather than of coming from. The self edifying doctrine of men.

Turning it upside down as if that which is being formed moved by the hands of the potter exchanged ownership .

Its without the exclusive faith of Christ working in a person new heart that makes it impossible please God. He is the cause and effect. The Just and one who works to justify those without faith .

Note. . (red in parenthesis) my added suggestion,

Hebrew 11: 6 But without faith (Christs) it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We cannot come to him unless he gives us the faith to make it possible to seek him .

from my experience changing the word of to in in the opening commandment of James 2 it destroys the usage throughout the rest of the chapter in the end taking away the imputed work . . as if it came after Rehab or Abraham rather that the power they had in the earthen bodies not of us.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that (Christ's) faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how (Christ's) faith wrought with his works, and by works was (Christ's) faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, ( as a result of His Holy Spirit working in Abraham) and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. James 2: 20-23

why the redness, just keep it simple

James 2
20 Wouldst thou know, O frail man, that faith without works is dead ?
21 Abraham our father, was not he justified by works, in offering his son Isaac upon the altar ?
22 Seest thou, that his faith aided his works; and that by the works his faith was rendered complete ?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith: Abraham believed in God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness, and he was called the Friend of God.