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The phrase "I'm a sinner saved by grace" sickens me, it really disgusts me. Why? Because Jesus suffered & died for us to become the Sons of God, & instead of agreeing with God, they claim sinnership instead of Citizenship.
Paul said "by the grace of God I am what I am". He also said he was "made an apostle by the Lord Jesus Christ".
He DID claim he fell into sin, like we all do..... but we're not "practicing sinners" anymore. It's not our lifestyle any longer.
Now we "press toward the mark", waiting for the calling-up & hauling-up of Jesus, for He alone is able to take us to where He is.
I love & appreciate the Lord..... & to call myself the thing I once was when He came & saved me is like slapping Him in the face when I ought to be on my knees kissing His feet, thanking Him for everything He has done for me.
Paul said "by the grace of God I am what I am". He also said he was "made an apostle by the Lord Jesus Christ".
He DID claim he fell into sin, like we all do..... but we're not "practicing sinners" anymore. It's not our lifestyle any longer.
Now we "press toward the mark", waiting for the calling-up & hauling-up of Jesus, for He alone is able to take us to where He is.
I love & appreciate the Lord..... & to call myself the thing I once was when He came & saved me is like slapping Him in the face when I ought to be on my knees kissing His feet, thanking Him for everything He has done for me.
sin should not be ruling over the Christian and yet sadly, it can and does
many people are missing large portions of their Bibles because they only get pieces of it on Sundays and can't put it together
at the same time, I do not believe in hyper anything
God's grace is grace and not hyper
people can pervert just about anything
however I have seen plenty of misunderstandings in this forum and have never seen anyone tout sin or grace
those people may exist, but I have not seen them here...frankly, I have not come across them on other forums either and I have been using Christian forums for about 10 years now
But, yes, there are those who are super-sized gracers and they think they can sin all they want. And I didn't realize there are many who adhere to that false doctrine. I only read a couple of the posts and decided not to jump in.
and I have never seen anyone...ANYONE...say or even HINT at what you state in this forum
care to clairify?
i reckon it's been the same slander used for two thousand years... y'all read Romans 6? verse 1? verse 15? Romans 3:8?
I've stopped trying not to sin because I know that's just me trying to control and play God in my life. That's not saying, though, that's it okay for me to wreck havoc on my own life. And destroy myself and others. But it's recognizing that I cannot be without sin, haven't been without sin, and will never be without sin. As long as I am alive on this Earth, I am bound for sin. At 26 or at 96 (if I live that long). Point is, I've learned to stop striving for perfection. Because if I could reach it, I wouldn't need Christ. I've learned to trust God and take one day and moment at a time in place of it. I thank Celebrate Recovery for that.
Yes, Dan, I see understand that as well.
Sometimes it's miscommunication between the two different views. Sometimes when reading the posts, I see that they're both saying the same thing only in a different way. Other times it's definitely totally opposing views.
But, yes, there are those who are super-sized gracers and they think they can sin all they want. And I didn't realize there are many who adhere to that false doctrine. I only read a couple of the posts and decided not to jump in.
I'm thinking here right now, how many pages of scripture I'll need to rip out of my bible if I believed that way. I'm thinking there wouldn't be much of the scriptures left. Jesus said if you love me, you'll keep my commandments. It can't get much plainer than that.
But God, in His lovingkindness gave forgiveness to us when we do sin. If we confess and repent, He promises to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
God is so merciful, full of grace and lovingkindness, and yet He's just, Holy and Righteous as well. Some only focus on the mercy love and grace of God while ignoring that we must live in holiness, righteousness and obedience.
But then, I don't want to begin another thread on all that, so I'll stop there.
Having said that, I feel like you have become susceptible to some of the slander that others engage in.
I am coming up on 4 yrs here, and several times a day I read quite a few threads. In ALL that time, I have not come across a single person or post from ANYONE, of ANY doctrine, that said ANYTHING that can even be slightly construed as SIN BEING OK TO ENGAGE IN.
If you have seen any post that claims that from a person I would implore you to please post it so I can ignore that person. Thank you.
What better way to remain Thankful, Humble and Grateful than remembering what you were and what you are changed into now?
Or admitting what you are and what you are able to do without Christ?
Maybe you could just shorten it and leave the sinner part out. If it makes you feel better.
But the OP is about honesty, so, better not.
The phrase "I'm a sinner saved by grace" sickens me, it really disgusts me. Why? Because Jesus suffered & died for us to become the Sons of God, & instead of agreeing with God, they claim sinnership instead of Citizenship.
Paul said "by the grace of God I am what I am". He also said he was "made an apostle by the Lord Jesus Christ".
He DID claim he fell into sin, like we all do..... but we're not "practicing sinners" anymore. It's not our lifestyle any longer.
Now we "press toward the mark", waiting for the calling-up & hauling-up of Jesus, for He alone is able to take us to where He is.
I love & appreciate the Lord..... & to call myself the thing I once was when He came & saved me is like slapping Him in the face when I ought to be on my knees kissing His feet, thanking Him for everything He has done for me.
Paul said "by the grace of God I am what I am". He also said he was "made an apostle by the Lord Jesus Christ".
He DID claim he fell into sin, like we all do..... but we're not "practicing sinners" anymore. It's not our lifestyle any longer.
Now we "press toward the mark", waiting for the calling-up & hauling-up of Jesus, for He alone is able to take us to where He is.
I love & appreciate the Lord..... & to call myself the thing I once was when He came & saved me is like slapping Him in the face when I ought to be on my knees kissing His feet, thanking Him for everything He has done for me.
