Falling away from the Faith (it's possible)
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Amen! With her faulty logic about belief, you could easily say that any act of obedience is "belief." Such as, belief "is" baptism, belief "is" multiple acts of obedience which follow belief, belief "is" works. That's exactly where that faulty kind of reasoning leads to and it's no wonder that people behind such faulty reasoning teach salvation by works!
I believe the gospel is we can be like Christ, through faith, which means to repent and follow
His example. Repentance is renouncing sin and commiting to walk righteously. Faith is trusting
Jesus and the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. This empowers us to walk after Christ.
Now I have repeated this, but hey, it is always a witness to the grace of God in Christ.
Now I have met many in church who do not understand these simple ideas, so they are not
that simple I suppose.
His example. Repentance is renouncing sin and commiting to walk righteously. Faith is trusting
Jesus and the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. This empowers us to walk after Christ.
Now I have repeated this, but hey, it is always a witness to the grace of God in Christ.
Now I have met many in church who do not understand these simple ideas, so they are not
that simple I suppose.
Oh stop already.
I'm tired of hearing the bible explained incorrectly and twisted to mean what YOU want it to mean.
I'm not going to comment on your post.
You can believe what you want to.
You can hate Catholics. You'll answer to God about this. I require no answer from you.
I JUST HOPE THOSE READING ALONG UNDERSTAND HOW INCORRECT YOU'RE TEACHINGS ARE.
I'm tired of hearing the bible explained incorrectly and twisted to mean what YOU want it to mean.
I'm not going to comment on your post.
You can believe what you want to.
You can hate Catholics. You'll answer to God about this. I require no answer from you.
I JUST HOPE THOSE READING ALONG UNDERSTAND HOW INCORRECT YOU'RE TEACHINGS ARE.
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I agree.
Fran's explanation of believe and obey is very good.
Active belief, active obeying.
This goes on our entire lives.
We do things wrong but we always turn back and repent, because we believe.
So believing is what saves us and obeying is what follows.
How do they come together and how do we stay saved?
It is by the power of God.
He gives us His Holy Spirit.
And the Holy Spirit dwells within us and works with us to stay focused on God.
The Holy Spirit helps us in everything we do along our walk with God until the time comes that God takes us home.
We cannot do it on our own.
Our "free will" will cause us to drift away and we go back and forth.
But God will not let us go.
He will find his lost sheep and bring them home because His sheep know his voice.
None of us will be lost.
This is how I see OSAS and why I feel within me I know I am going to be with God for all eternity.
Fran's explanation of believe and obey is very good.
Active belief, active obeying.
This goes on our entire lives.
We do things wrong but we always turn back and repent, because we believe.
So believing is what saves us and obeying is what follows.
How do they come together and how do we stay saved?
It is by the power of God.
He gives us His Holy Spirit.
And the Holy Spirit dwells within us and works with us to stay focused on God.
The Holy Spirit helps us in everything we do along our walk with God until the time comes that God takes us home.
We cannot do it on our own.
Our "free will" will cause us to drift away and we go back and forth.
But God will not let us go.
He will find his lost sheep and bring them home because His sheep know his voice.
None of us will be lost.
This is how I see OSAS and why I feel within me I know I am going to be with God for all eternity.
Of course it's easy.
But if they make it easy, they can't twist every verse to mean what those that are not of the truth want it to mean.
The bible can be understood by the simplest of persons.
It does not require a lot of study or knowing a different Language.
Those who seek God and His ways understand the simplicity of the N.T.
Jesus made it simple, not difficult.
But if they make it easy, they can't twist every verse to mean what those that are not of the truth want it to mean.
The bible can be understood by the simplest of persons.
It does not require a lot of study or knowing a different Language.
Those who seek God and His ways understand the simplicity of the N.T.
Jesus made it simple, not difficult.
The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form. Nothing in the root meaning of either word carries any concept of works. If you believe in Christ for salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you. This belief results in actions appropriate to the belief (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - but the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief. Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I also was confused about this and basically defined faith as obedience/works.
This is blatant slander and I don't appreciate it. Your true colors are really showing.
This is blatant slander and I don't appreciate it. Your true colors are really showing.
Well done mailmandan.
It is believing on the Son - not in what we do or don't do that is "the faith". That is "obeying God and the Lord Jesus Christ".
That is why people are falling from the faith - they are trusting in what they do or don't do for salvation and righteousness.
It is the trap and stumbling block of offense to all works-based / works-righeousness belief systems. These are all anti-Christ beliefs at their very core and actually deny the Lord and Master and deny what He has actually done at the cross and resurrection.
Works-based belief systems are always trying to achieve by what they do or don't do - what Christ has already done. When our faith is in the right place - in Him alone - then His fruit will bear on us the branches and His good works that He has prepared for us to walk in will be done by grace thought faith alone in Him.
So, the true Christian relying on Christ's work - does do good works as a fruit of our union - not to establish salvation or righteousness.
This "do in order to achieve" is the fruit of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The law of Moses was a manifestation of the fruit of that tree. We are meant to eat of the tree of life which is Christ Himself.
All of us can fall for this works-based mindset as it is a very subtle beast but as we depend on the revelation of the Holy Spirit to reveal the work and things of Christ and the truth that He is in us forever - joined as one spirit. This gives us Christians the proper nutrients to walk out in this life what is true of us in the spirit.
It is believing on the Son - not in what we do or don't do that is "the faith". That is "obeying God and the Lord Jesus Christ".
That is why people are falling from the faith - they are trusting in what they do or don't do for salvation and righteousness.
It is the trap and stumbling block of offense to all works-based / works-righeousness belief systems. These are all anti-Christ beliefs at their very core and actually deny the Lord and Master and deny what He has actually done at the cross and resurrection.
Works-based belief systems are always trying to achieve by what they do or don't do - what Christ has already done. When our faith is in the right place - in Him alone - then His fruit will bear on us the branches and His good works that He has prepared for us to walk in will be done by grace thought faith alone in Him.
So, the true Christian relying on Christ's work - does do good works as a fruit of our union - not to establish salvation or righteousness.
This "do in order to achieve" is the fruit of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The law of Moses was a manifestation of the fruit of that tree. We are meant to eat of the tree of life which is Christ Himself.
All of us can fall for this works-based mindset as it is a very subtle beast but as we depend on the revelation of the Holy Spirit to reveal the work and things of Christ and the truth that He is in us forever - joined as one spirit. This gives us Christians the proper nutrients to walk out in this life what is true of us in the spirit.
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Of course I agree with everything you've said.
I'd just like to say that our free will does not cause us to drift back and forth from being saved to not being saved.
Our free will allows us to choose to be walking with God. As long as we stay with Him, we are safe in His arms. And no one can snatch us out of His hands.
IF, through our free will, we one day lose our faith, for whatever reason, and decide to ABANDON God, then at that point we are no longer in His safe arms. We can even lose faith sometimes but not abadon God. This could happen because of sickness or big problems which make us feel that God is not close. But our DESIRE is to remain WITH HIM. This is NOT loss of salvation.
Like the lost sheep, I believe God is Always calling us and will Always look for us, but the lost sheep WANTED to go back to the fold with Jesus. Jesus did not force the sheep to go back.
We will never be forced by God. Just like human love, our love for Him has to be freely given. He will NOT force us to love Him or to remain in His fold with the sheep that know His voice.
It's not easy to leave God. I'm only saying that it is POSSIBLE. And we should understand this and pay attention to this.
I'd just like to say that our free will does not cause us to drift back and forth from being saved to not being saved.
Our free will allows us to choose to be walking with God. As long as we stay with Him, we are safe in His arms. And no one can snatch us out of His hands.
IF, through our free will, we one day lose our faith, for whatever reason, and decide to ABANDON God, then at that point we are no longer in His safe arms. We can even lose faith sometimes but not abadon God. This could happen because of sickness or big problems which make us feel that God is not close. But our DESIRE is to remain WITH HIM. This is NOT loss of salvation.
Like the lost sheep, I believe God is Always calling us and will Always look for us, but the lost sheep WANTED to go back to the fold with Jesus. Jesus did not force the sheep to go back.
We will never be forced by God. Just like human love, our love for Him has to be freely given. He will NOT force us to love Him or to remain in His fold with the sheep that know His voice.
It's not easy to leave God. I'm only saying that it is POSSIBLE. And we should understand this and pay attention to this.
The sword of the Spirit hurts when it cuts! 
I'm tired of your scripture twisting, your straw man arguments and your slander. Those who have ears to hear will listen to the truth.
I'm tired of your scripture twisting, your straw man arguments and your slander. Those who have ears to hear will listen to the truth.
When did I slander you?
YOU are slandering the word of God by unproperly representing it.
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I do not understand how some people interpret scriptures.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
God wants all people to be saved,and God does the calling and choosing on earth.
So why do they fight it,and how do they have a leg to stand on.
It is a mystery.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Sin does affect our relationship with God.
We are sealed unto the day of redemption if we continue in God's goodness,and do not go back to sin,and God does not twist our arm to live for Him so we still have a choice concerning our fate after we are saved,in which some went back to sin,and held unto sin.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
That talk of we cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel that neglects the poor and needy,is not right.
By the Spirit we can abstain from sin,because we make the choice we do not want sin.
So why do they interpret scriptures the way they do.
If someone believes that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,were they saved to begin with,did they receive the Spirit to begin with,were they chosen to begin with.
For many are called but few are chosen,and these people run around saying,we are chosen,but their beliefs seem to contradict a person that would be chosen,because of their relaxed position of being like Christ.
They say sin does not affect their relationship with God,but then say things against the Catholic Church,who confess Jesus as Lord and Savior,God manifest in the flesh,the Christ,Son of the living God.
But if they confess Christ rightly according to Him being Lord,and Savior,then why do they cry of things they do that they say is wrong,as if they are not right with God,but if sin does not affect our relationship with God,if there is something wrong they do they should still be right with God,but then make excuses for the things they do wrong,and say it does not affect them.
It appears that sin affects everybody's relationship with God,but those that believe OSAS,as if that is the requirement to being saved is to believe OSAS,and thou shalt be saved,and all thy household.
But according to scriptures they do not have a leg to stand on.
Am I in a coma that came upon me when I was 5 years old,and am living out a life in my mind,and do not know reality,for how is reality so out of whack among the world when it comes to the afterlife,and God,and some people that claim Christ misinterpreting scriptures that are plain to see,and the Bible is the most misinterpreted book in the history of mankind,for more people drag beliefs in to it,and interpret it that way.
OSAS=fleshy interpretation.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
God wants all people to be saved,and God does the calling and choosing on earth.
So why do they fight it,and how do they have a leg to stand on.
It is a mystery.
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Sin does affect our relationship with God.
We are sealed unto the day of redemption if we continue in God's goodness,and do not go back to sin,and God does not twist our arm to live for Him so we still have a choice concerning our fate after we are saved,in which some went back to sin,and held unto sin.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
That talk of we cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship with God,and the prosperity Gospel that neglects the poor and needy,is not right.
By the Spirit we can abstain from sin,because we make the choice we do not want sin.
So why do they interpret scriptures the way they do.
If someone believes that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,were they saved to begin with,did they receive the Spirit to begin with,were they chosen to begin with.
For many are called but few are chosen,and these people run around saying,we are chosen,but their beliefs seem to contradict a person that would be chosen,because of their relaxed position of being like Christ.
They say sin does not affect their relationship with God,but then say things against the Catholic Church,who confess Jesus as Lord and Savior,God manifest in the flesh,the Christ,Son of the living God.
But if they confess Christ rightly according to Him being Lord,and Savior,then why do they cry of things they do that they say is wrong,as if they are not right with God,but if sin does not affect our relationship with God,if there is something wrong they do they should still be right with God,but then make excuses for the things they do wrong,and say it does not affect them.
It appears that sin affects everybody's relationship with God,but those that believe OSAS,as if that is the requirement to being saved is to believe OSAS,and thou shalt be saved,and all thy household.
But according to scriptures they do not have a leg to stand on.
Am I in a coma that came upon me when I was 5 years old,and am living out a life in my mind,and do not know reality,for how is reality so out of whack among the world when it comes to the afterlife,and God,and some people that claim Christ misinterpreting scriptures that are plain to see,and the Bible is the most misinterpreted book in the history of mankind,for more people drag beliefs in to it,and interpret it that way.
OSAS=fleshy interpretation.
I have said this about good works - many times and in different ways but I will post it again and hopefully help new viewers of the thread.
All religions - including the religion of Christianity ( as there is a religion like this that tries to mimic the life of Christ ) - are really manifesting that they are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which has been set lose in this earth by Adam's transgression.
They are basing their life on what they do or don't do. They are attempting to establish their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. Good works are an example of this.
We see the "descriptions" in the words and actions of Jesus and in the epistles of what the true Christian life looks like when Christ's life and His fruit are being manifested.
The religion of Christianity then takes these "descriptions" and tries to "dictate" to the believers the life of Christ or the fruit of the Spirit into being.
In essence they are trying to mimic or duplicate the life and fruit of Christ and at the same time "demanding" that others do the same thing or else they are not saved.
The true Christian life is Christ Himself joined as one spirit with us manifesting His love, His grace, His life in and through us. It is His fruit - without Him we can do nothing.
All works-based - works-righteousness belief systems ( including the religion of Christianity ) have this as their core essence and it really nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives like it should.
This is the "why" behind when people say we must do "good works". That is what the fruit brings behind the work-for-salvation mindset and to maintain and create righteousness.
The reality is - as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ will manifest itself in the doing of good works as the fruit of being in union with Him.
We do good works because it is a fruit of being in union with Christ. Preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Christians will have the proper nutrients to walk out what already is within them - which is Christ in us - the hope of glory.
All religions - including the religion of Christianity ( as there is a religion like this that tries to mimic the life of Christ ) - are really manifesting that they are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which has been set lose in this earth by Adam's transgression.
They are basing their life on what they do or don't do. They are attempting to establish their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. Good works are an example of this.
We see the "descriptions" in the words and actions of Jesus and in the epistles of what the true Christian life looks like when Christ's life and His fruit are being manifested.
The religion of Christianity then takes these "descriptions" and tries to "dictate" to the believers the life of Christ or the fruit of the Spirit into being.
In essence they are trying to mimic or duplicate the life and fruit of Christ and at the same time "demanding" that others do the same thing or else they are not saved.
The true Christian life is Christ Himself joined as one spirit with us manifesting His love, His grace, His life in and through us. It is His fruit - without Him we can do nothing.
All works-based - works-righteousness belief systems ( including the religion of Christianity ) have this as their core essence and it really nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives like it should.
This is the "why" behind when people say we must do "good works". That is what the fruit brings behind the work-for-salvation mindset and to maintain and create righteousness.
The reality is - as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ will manifest itself in the doing of good works as the fruit of being in union with Him.
We do good works because it is a fruit of being in union with Christ. Preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Christians will have the proper nutrients to walk out what already is within them - which is Christ in us - the hope of glory.
Anyone reading along can cleary see that you hate Catholics.
Slander is not slander when it is the truth.
Anyone here is free to read your comments.
You have stated that you don't even consider Catholics to be your brothers in Christ.
THAT is rather slanderous because IT IS NOT TRUE.
Also, it would be nice if you remembered that the Catholic Church kept many heresies out of the early Church.
There would be no Christianity were it not for that Church.
Whether you like this fact or not, IT IS THE TRUTH.
The truth cuts....
Slander is not slander when it is the truth.
Anyone here is free to read your comments.
You have stated that you don't even consider Catholics to be your brothers in Christ.
THAT is rather slanderous because IT IS NOT TRUE.
Also, it would be nice if you remembered that the Catholic Church kept many heresies out of the early Church.
There would be no Christianity were it not for that Church.
Whether you like this fact or not, IT IS THE TRUTH.
The truth cuts....
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mailmandan does NOT hate Catholics. He has said many times - it is the religion that he is against and rightly so. Not the people themselves. Slander is saying that he hates the people. There is a vast difference.
The religion that is in many of our denominations is deadly to walking in "the faith" which is complete reliance on the work of Christ by grace through faith alone.
The religion that is in many of our denominations is deadly to walking in "the faith" which is complete reliance on the work of Christ by grace through faith alone.
Hi MFJesus
I believe it's important to post so that the correct position in the bible is understood by those who wish to know the truth.
You've posted a very good synopsis of the entire bible.
I've posted many times about how God wishes us to love one another. How many times have I posted JOHN 13:35?
Yet I hear some here declare their hatred for other churches and their very own brothers in Christ.
I should really leave this thread because it affects my spirit and sometimes my responses are brusque.
Also, God did speak to me because of how different churches understand the bible.
Why would this be?
Alas, we are human and too far away from the time of Jesus --- which is why I like to know what the early Christians believed and why I do my best to read the bible with an open mind.
But we come up with this difference.
This is what God told me --- just Yesterday.
Mathew 22:37-40
THIS is what we are to do.
LOVE GOD.
LOVE OURSELVES.
LOVE OUR NEIGHORS.
I do believe that OSAS is a very damaging doctrine and this is the ONLY reason I'm still here.
But not for much longer. I depend on Others here who could withstand the onslaught of lies to continue the good fight, as Paul said.
I believe it's important to post so that the correct position in the bible is understood by those who wish to know the truth.
You've posted a very good synopsis of the entire bible.
I've posted many times about how God wishes us to love one another. How many times have I posted JOHN 13:35?
Yet I hear some here declare their hatred for other churches and their very own brothers in Christ.
I should really leave this thread because it affects my spirit and sometimes my responses are brusque.
Also, God did speak to me because of how different churches understand the bible.
Why would this be?
Alas, we are human and too far away from the time of Jesus --- which is why I like to know what the early Christians believed and why I do my best to read the bible with an open mind.
But we come up with this difference.
This is what God told me --- just Yesterday.
Mathew 22:37-40
THIS is what we are to do.
LOVE GOD.
LOVE OURSELVES.
LOVE OUR NEIGHORS.
I do believe that OSAS is a very damaging doctrine and this is the ONLY reason I'm still here.
But not for much longer. I depend on Others here who could withstand the onslaught of lies to continue the good fight, as Paul said.
You are 100% correct. The belief that our works save us is an anti-Christ belief system that actually denies the work of Christ on the cross and resurrection and nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.
Resting in Christ's work actually produces an abundance of good works as His grace becomes activated in our lives.
1 Corinthians 15:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
Be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus! 2 Tim. 2:1
Resting in Christ's work actually produces an abundance of good works as His grace becomes activated in our lives.
1 Corinthians 15:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
Be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus! 2 Tim. 2:1