False Prophets and the accursed Gospel

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God's grace is not a covering for sin.

Where sin abounds grace much more abounds” This is not saying that when your caught in great sin there is enough grace to cover it.
The blood purges out all our sin so yeah it isnt a covering it makes us that is the new man sinless although we still have the flesh that is reckoned dead anyway while we live out our physical lives.. But where sin abounds grace does much more.. Grace is unlimited
 
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I'm not sure where you fabricated this idea about what I believe. I never mentioned, at any point, what I believe. As a user on this site of 7 years I've seen the bible discussion forums spinning on the exact same topics over and over. This is one of them. And in that 7 years I've never seen EITHER SIDE budge on what they believe.
And That was my point, regardless of what I believe.
Oh, and when I was a Christian I was OSAS. Perhaps it may behoove you to read things rather than fabricate things from a defensive posture.
easy killer, well if your OSAS or were then you're good to go regardless how you live or what you believe.

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
He abidith faithful. Abideth where? In us. He cannot deny himself. The bible say God is a Spirit so if you have his (Christs') Spirit in you you cannot go to hell.
 

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Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 

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Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Literally should be the "end" of the matter, it being the very last thing Christ said in ALL of scripture, right? You'd think?
 

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Literally should be the "end" of the matter, it being the very last thing Christ said in ALL of scripture, right? You'd think?
Yes, If we are really being honest not only is it the last Scriptual book inspired/dictated/written but the first verses say it is to show the servants what will happen in the end... Add to that it is direct revelation from the One spoken of in Deut 18:18-19 and anyone who truly seeks Yah, even if it is hard to hear, will take these words to heart.
 

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when I was a Christian I was OSAS
easy killer, well if your OSAS or were then you're good to go regardless how you live or what you believe.

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
He abidith faithful. Abideth where? In us. He cannot deny himself. The bible say God is a Spirit so if you have his (Christs') Spirit in you you cannot go to hell.
The Apostle Paul told people to reckon themselves dead to sin and alive unto God, to not use their members as instruments onto sin but for righteousness unto God. He didn't excuse people's sin and tell them "you're good to go regardless of how you live or what you believe", but instead, encouraged them in who God has made them to be in Christ. They are new creations, no longer under the dominion of sin under grace, sanctified by God. Read Romans 6 to get an idea of what I am speaking on.

Your line of approach here only keeps Ugly in a place of complacency, instead of bringing him back in urgency to walk in God's will for his life, and the good works the Lord has planned. I am not saying whether he is saved or not, but I'm addressing the approach here because God much rather would have us walking in accordance with His will for our lives, not dismissing where we fall short, but bringing us from glory to glory.
 
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The Apostle Paul told people to reckon themselves dead to sin and alive unto God, to not use their members as instruments onto sin but for righteousness unto God. He didn't excuse people's sin and tell them "you're good to go regardless of how you live or what you believe", but instead, encouraged them in who God has made them to be in Christ. They are new creations, no longer under the dominion of sin under grace, sanctified by God. Read Romans 6 to get an idea of what I am speaking on.

Your line of approach here only keeps Ugly in a place of complacency, instead of bringing him back in urgency to walk in God's will for his life, and the good works the Lord has planned. I am not saying whether he is saved or not, but I'm addressing the approach here because God much rather would have us walking in accordance with His will for our lives, not dismissing where we fall short, but bringing us from glory to glory.
God will bring him back into line (chastisement) and if not early sleep (physical death) some of God's children don't follow and end up missing the life God want from them here on earth. Let all who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity thats what the bible says but i cannot force someone to do that especially since this is just a forum I have really no lead way. Just trying to get the message out that Gods Salvation is FREE and FOREVER to those who believe on Jesus alone OSAS
 
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Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
A BELIEVER IS NOT DEFINED BY THEIR SIN. Iam the Righteousness Of God through Christ Jesus. Iam born again and eternally secure, are you? You seem to love the condemning verses in the Bible and hate mercy that God Has provided? There is NO condemnation in Christ
 

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A BELIEVER IS NOT DEFINED BY THEIR SIN. Iam the Righteousness Of God through Christ Jesus. Iam born again and eternally secure, are you? You seem to love the condemning verses in the Bible and hate mercy that God Has provided? There is NO condemnation in Christ
Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
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The blood purges out all our sin so yeah it isnt a covering it makes us that is the new man sinless although we still have the flesh that is reckoned dead anyway while we live out our physical lives.. But where sin abounds grace does much more.. Grace is unlimited

Where sin abounds grace much more abounds

What it is saying is there is more than enough grace available for you to be able to resist the sin regardless of how strong the temptation.

Grace is the divine influence of God in the hearts of men that overcomes sin.

Titus 2 12-14

12 That grace instructs us to give up ungodly living and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ[a] will appear.

That is why the whole argument that grace is a license to sin is diametrically opposed to the function of Grace .

It is liberty, it is apart from law and under grace.:)
 

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Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
A BELIEVER IS NOT DEFINED BY THEIR SIN. Iam the Righteousness Of God through Christ Jesus. Iam born again and eternally secure, are you?
I am but a sheep I leave all judgment to the Messiah:

John 5:25-30, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of YHWH. And those having heard shall live. For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam. Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done right, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me."

Declaring one is saved or not is irrelevant to His judgment, many will think they are saved and will be cast out...

John 5:21-22, “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes."22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son,"

Luke 13:28, "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of Yah, but yourselves being thrown out.”

Mat 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity.”

I seek to build my house upon the "rock":

Mat 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

You seem to love the condemning verses in the Bible and hate mercy that God Has provided?
I don't see that verses as condemming, I see it as the words of Messiah. Most people only go for a doctrine that tickles their ears and not only ignores the rest of the word but would speak bad upon any that would quote it. i AM THANKFULfor the mercy Yah provides and do not wish to pervert it and it makes me want to follow Him that much more.

There is NO condemnation in Christ
I prefer the whole word not half baked ideas from isolated verses:

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
 

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Where sin abounds grace much more abounds

What it is saying is there is more than enough grace available for you to be able to resist the sin regardless of how strong the temptation.

Grace is the divine influence of God in the hearts of men that overcomes sin.

Titus 2 12-14

12 That grace instructs us to give up ungodly living and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ[a] will appear.

That is why the whole argument that grace is a license to sin is diametrically opposed to the function of Grace .

It is liberty, it is apart from law and under grace.:)
So then who is the Author of "Godly Living"? What kind of living is "Upright"?

I have yet to meet any religious person who doesn't "believe" they are both Godly and Upright before the Christ. Yet this same Christ also warns that "believing we are upright and Godly" is not sufficient for Grace.

Matt. 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ( This would mean Transgression of God's Commandments, YES?)

Matt. 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

What if our religious traditions transgress the Commandments of God just like the Mainstream Religion of Christ's time did? They, that is the Pharisees, certainly "THOUGHT" they lived Godly and upright before God.

How can one live "Godly" while rejecting HIS instructions regarding how to live Godly?

John 8:
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Just as an unbiased observer of religions of the land I see images of God created in the likeness of man, I see God's Feasts rejected and ignored while man made religious High Days are considered holy. I see egregious transgressions from religious leaders of modern religions including pedophilia, adultery, financial fraud, greed, covetousness. flagrant dishonesty, the list goes on and on. And this is from not just one "Christian religion, but from "many".

And yet people continue to give them power (money) to spread their religion to every corner of the land taking their insatiable lust for power and influence with them. All in the Name of the Christ.

I am reminded of Jeremiah's words.

Jer. 5:
25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Of course as did Eve and the Pharisees, and those who called the Christ, Lord, Lord in Matt. 7, they "Thought" they were living Godly and upright.

They believed they were "led" by God Almighty to live this way. But as it turns out, they were being led by the "other voice".

How do you reconcile these things.
 
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Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The will f the father is to BELIEVE on the one he sent
 
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12 That grace instructs us to give up ungodly living and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in this world, 13 as we wait for the blessed Day we hope for, when the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ[a] will appear.
The KJV says:
Titus 2:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The KJV says:
It says "WE SHOULD" not MUST get a KJV your mixing works with Grace. The way we SHOULD live doesn't save anyone, it's only they blood of Christ alone. Sirs what must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.. Im not preaching a licence to sin that would make sin lawful, Im saying Grace abounds much more. Have you ever heard the song 'it's nothing but the blood?' well apparently people think its something more than what Jesus did bc they keep adding conditions for salvation. Its a big contradiction like saying grace is a free gift (which is true) but it will cost you everything. I wish people would get a KJV
 
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The KJV says:
Titus 2:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The KJV says:
It says "WE SHOULD" not MUST get a KJV your mixing works with Grace. The way we SHOULD live doesn't save anyone, it's only they blood of Christ alone. Sirs what must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.. Im not preaching a licence to sin that would make sin lawful, Im saying Grace abounds much more. Have you ever heard the song 'it's nothing but the blood?' well apparently people think its something more than what Jesus did bc they keep adding conditions for salvation. Its a big contradiction like saying grace is a free gift (which is true) but it will cost you everything. I wish people would get a KJV
 
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The KJV says:
Titus 2:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The KJV says:
It says "WE SHOULD" not MUST get a KJV your mixing works with Grace. The way we SHOULD live doesn't save anyone, it's only they blood of Christ alone. Sirs what must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.. Im not preaching a licence to sin that would make sin lawful, Im saying Grace abounds much more. Have you ever heard the song 'it's nothing but the blood?' well apparently people think its something more than what Jesus did bc they keep adding conditions for salvation. Its a big contradiction like saying grace is a free gift (which is true) but it will cost you everything. I wish people would get a KJV
Sorry UNDERGRACE I misread your message youre not mixing works and grace I meant to say most people are
 
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I am but a sheep I leave all judgment to the Messiah:

John 5:25-30, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of YHWH. And those having heard shall live. For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam. Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done right, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me."

Declaring one is saved or not is irrelevant to His judgment, many will think they are saved and will be cast out...

John 5:21-22, “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes."22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son,"

Luke 13:28, "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of Yah, but yourselves being thrown out.”

Mat 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity.”

I seek to build my house upon the "rock":

Mat 7:24-27, "Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; but it did not fall, for it was founded upon the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, but does not do them, is like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat against that house; and it fell, and great was the fall of it."

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”



I don't see that verses as condemming, I see it as the words of Messiah. Most people only go for a doctrine that tickles their ears and not only ignores the rest of the word but would speak bad upon any that would quote it. i AM THANKFULfor the mercy Yah provides and do not wish to pervert it and it makes me want to follow Him that much more.



I prefer the whole word not half baked ideas from isolated verses:

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."
You walk after the spirit after you receive Jesus. The one born of God CANNOT sin. That is the NEW CREATURE. Our lives are hidden in Christ but you know what if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 
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Galatians 2:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ( This would mean Transgression of God's Commandments, YES?)
No thats not what it means. God says i NEVER knew you meaning they never believed the true gospel these were people relying on their mighty works and didnt do the will of the father which is to believe on the one he sent. They knew about Jesus and the cross probably even said they believed but mixed grace and works for salvation which is unbelief. Like saying I trust Jesus alone his grace is enough but i still have to be good as well to go to heaven see the contradiction? They are called workers of iniquity bc they do not have God's imputed righteousness and are workers of iniquity like all unsaved people like all flesh. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God you need to be born again
 

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easy killer, well if your OSAS or were then you're good to go regardless how you live or what you believe.

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
He abidith faithful. Abideth where? In us. He cannot deny himself. The bible say God is a Spirit so if you have his (Christs') Spirit in you you cannot go to hell.
I don't know why there is the idea that "OSAS" is a license to sin.
Combining salvation scriptures here into one narrative to expand on OSAS as a reality, God's word says he chose us before he created the world to enter into the covenant of eternal life, salvation, before he created the world. We cannot come to salvation unless the father calls, and we cannot do that except through Jesus. Who knows our name and we in turn always knew his when we were chosen to follow him before this world came to be.
Whatever it is that compels us to follow that God ordained destiny of hearing his voice call us by name to his only begotten son, when we do we are promised eternal life, eternal salvation, and told that no one can ever take us from the security of Christ.
We're also told that those who know this do not make a habit of sinning purposefully. And that those who do do that not only do not know Christ but he does not know them.

Why then would anyone in the body of Christ ridicule, mock, or condemn eternal security as Christ promised and died to seal with his sacred and holy blood. And most importantly, why would anyone misrepresent what the scriptures say about eternal security, as I outlined in just my personal knowledge and synopsis, in order to do that?


In short, why would anyone argue eternal salvation is a license to sin and therein not a true gospel at all? When that is exactly what Christ died to guarantee. Free, irrevocable, eternal saving from death itself.