False Prophets, False Christs, False Apostles, False Teachers

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4th angel...I really don't think you do a great job presenting...don't you think another should compliment you and not yourself?

That would be biblical

It's not pity you feel for me...it's fear and possibly some hatred

Again...you are not discussing

You are speaking in absolutes and mocking any who object to your attempt to control what everyone else's says
 

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Thanks for your response.

Include the highlighted sentence along with Justin's "pedigree".


"I was tempted myself just a few minutes ago to point out someone who is copy/pasting directly from Jospeh Prince's website and claiming the words for their own." This too is an unsatisfactory practice. Everyone on this or any site who quotes and/or uses the work of others to prove a point should cite the source. If the source is not commonly recognized, always add a brief "pedigree".

Please don't be offended by my comment. Many of the videos that are posted on this site are quite long and are really just another opinion. A brief summary would be much more appropriate in a forum discussion format.
I didn't take offense. i just didn't know what you meant. You can find out about Justin and his ministry from his website.

Justin Peters Ministries exists to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost and to help equip the saved to “speak the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15). Great care is taken to preach and teach God’s Word in its proper context and simply let the text speak for itself. JPM is overseen by a Board of Directors and Justin and his wife, Kathy, are members of Grace Community Church in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

Read more here

I understand credentials are important. But even without credentials, if someone is preaching the word right, we should at least here them out. Just IMO. I think he does a great job at that. I understand that others won't agree.
 
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I didn't take offense. i just didn't know what you meant. You can find out about Justin and his ministry from his website.
I think you do a good job at presenting.
The thing you have to realise the enemy know their game and as always we are demons driven by satan.

Now in this arena it is no longer ideas it is emotional wind ups. And the goal is to get the opponent so annoyed they lay out retaliation at such a personal level they can then be shown to be full of hate and malice.

The trouble is none of us are full of hate and malice, and tactics like this do not work unless you are a sincere innocent victim who takes their sincerity at face value.

The problem is when the contender confesses to a heart which is desperately wicked and full of everything unclean and cannot be trusted, you know the source of the fruit you are dealing with.

Projection works subtly, it takes the emotion and creates it in the empathetic listener, when it never resided in them in the first place. A good projectionist can elicit the right emotional response at will. I sometimes wonder if this is a psychopathic trait or not. I did admire the gloss, raising support of the clan, to bolster the message and condemn the victim.

But it does not work if you know the MO. But that is the difference between walking with the Lord and playing games.
This is real life and the stakes are eternal. Children should not play with fire or they get burned, eternally.

Or is it not really that serious, this Jesus fellow and dying on the cross. Maybe blaspheming His name, His gospel, His message is something in His grace and mercy he will overlook. Yes he will until judgement day.

"Be gone, I never knew you"
 

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Proverbs 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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His guy's "review" of the movie "War Room" was interesting and telling...I clicked on the review link below...it was different....I don't think that women would like it...women should not go out to work ..

Blog Page | Justin Peters Ministries – Revivals – Seminars – Bible Studies – Apologetics – Conferences – Pulpit Supply.


I didn't take offense. i just didn't know what you meant. You can find out about Justin and his ministry from his website.

Justin Peters Ministries exists to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost and to help equip the saved to “speak the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15). Great care is taken to preach and teach God’s Word in its proper context and simply let the text speak for itself. JPM is overseen by a Board of Directors and Justin and his wife, Kathy, are members of Grace Community Church in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.

Read more here

I understand credentials are important. But even without credentials, if someone is preaching the word right, we should at least here them out. Just IMO. I think he does a great job at that. I understand that others won't agree.
 
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Here is a quote from the review of the "War Room" movie. The movie was about praying for our spouses and standing on God's word and faithfulness to His word and to not let the enemy have his destructive way in our families. I have read where hundreds of Christian marriages were restored by God using this movie.

I for one do not understand people like this, that find fault with everything....( I love how he throws a little Greek in his quote for emphasis..)...but apparently there are all kinds of different views and ideas. I'm sure the Holy Spirit within people will guide them into all the truth and reveal the beauty and majesty of Jesus and His finished work for us.

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If a young woman works outside of the home out of preference rather than absolute necessity, then a biblical principle has been violated. The issue is not a minor one. Note that if a young woman works outside of the home at the expense of her biblical household duties, then the result is that the Word of God is βλασφημῆται (blasphemetai),literally, blasphemed.



His guy's "review" of the movie "War Room" was interesting and telling...I clicked on the review link below...it was different....I don't think that women would like it...women should not go out to work ..

Blog Page | Justin Peters Ministries – Revivals – Seminars – Bible Studies – Apologetics – Conferences – Pulpit Supply.
 
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Jimmy Saville the massive young women, girls serial sex abuser over 30 years.
There was a review of how did he got away with it. The answer is simple, no one would believe such a caring person could be a serial sex offender right in front of the cameras and public attention. He was too big to tell the truth about.

The idea is you are so extreme everyone who says you are not ok, must be lying. So the greed of the prosperity preachers goes on, their self indulgence and complete disregard for true spirituality.

And why can these people get away with it? The gift of tongues means the Holy Spirit must be present therefore everything must be ok. Even if they teach heresy, spout ethics of greed and desire, it must be ok because tongues would not be present if God did not anoint.

So what is the reality of true spirituality? What you say and do or tongues?

And to talk against these people is to talk against the Holy Spirit?

No, it is to have discernment that a babbling fool is a babbling fool.

Just because people sing choruses and hope in Jesus does not mean the person at the front if from God or is not deceiving them into hell. By their words and deeds you will know them.

A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Luke 6:45
 
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Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled downthat ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Rev 12:7-9

The dragon is defeated but will lead the whole world astray.


Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death. Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!

He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.

Rev 12:10-12


Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

2 Thess 2:3-4

His spirit is walking among many who claim the name christian, yet do not have the fruits of righteousness and love in their lives. Beware any such as these.
 

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This is my last post before I let this thread run it's natural course without me. I'm not sure how beneficial it has been to anyone. But I have personally learned a lot about some of the users around here.

My goal was to expose heresy and blasphemy and steer others clear of false teachers. What I was met with by those who support them was nothing but malice and contempt. I've been called mentally ill, stupid, a mocker, fearful, and angry. Many have implied worse in a roundabout way.

I was met with no real dialogue from anyone who opposed this thread. Only underhanded remarks and diversion tactics. None of my points have been addressed by those who opposed this thread. The existence of false prophets, false teachers, false christs, and false apostles has been denied by those who follow them and opposed this thread.

Instructions of discernment, right judgment, and exposing what is known to be false has been ignored by those who follow these false teachers and much of scripture ignored or twisted.

We know the fruits of the Spirit are: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control

Very few of the opposers have exhibited these qualities.

We know that the works of the flesh are evident:

sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,envy, drunkenness, orgies

Many who responded did a great job of exposing themselves and their true nature.

I hope for others that this gave some insight into what we are dealing with as Christians and will help arm you as you contend for the faith. Be strong and be vigilant.


Greeting
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Jude, a servant[SUP][a][/SUP] of Jesus Christ and brother of James,
To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for[SUP][b][/SUP] Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]May mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.

Judgment on False Teachers
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[SUP][c][/SUP] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— [SUP]7 [/SUP]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,[SUP][d][/SUP] serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion. [SUP]12 [/SUP]These are hidden reefs[SUP][e][/SUP] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted;[SUP]13 [/SUP]wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.


[SUP]14 [/SUP]It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, [SUP]15 [/SUP]to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.

A Call to Persevere
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]They[SUP][f][/SUP] said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” [SUP]19 [/SUP]It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]21 [/SUP]keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And have mercy on those who doubt; [SUP]23 [/SUP]save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment[SUP][g][/SUP] stained by the flesh.

Doxology
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, [SUP]25 [/SUP]to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.
 
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Here is a quote from the review of the "War Room" movie. The movie was about praying for our spouses and standing on God's word and faithfulness to His word and to not let the enemy have his destructive way in our families. I have read where hundreds of Christian marriages were restored by God using this movie.

I for one do not understand people like this, that find fault with everything....( I love how he throws a little Greek in his quote for emphasis..)...but apparently there are all kinds of different views and ideas. I'm sure the Holy Spirit within people will guide them into all the truth and reveal the beauty and majesty of Jesus and His finished work for us.

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If a young woman works outside of the home out of preference rather than absolute necessity, then a biblical principle has been violated. The issue is not a minor one. Note that if a young woman works outside of the home at the expense of her biblical household duties, then the result is that the Word of God is βλασφημῆται (blasphemetai),literally, blasphemed.
Lol even the Proverbs perfect woman had a job and a bunch of maids. If everyone is too lazy to clean up you can always take a dog.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDYwM8eznU
 

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Forthangel, Thank you for your responses.

In response to those commenting on this thread. I'll respond as an old man who has grown up as a Christian, and is still growing. I realize that both sides are very passionate about what they believe.

God's word is the same yesterday and today, and it will be the same tomorrow. The world however, changes as often as we change our socks. The problem that we have as the children of God has always been making the Gospel relevant to the lost of the world today. We can sit here and fight about who is correct in the details and we will let the world remain lost, or we can look at what the other side is doing that is right, and merge them together.

We can argue about OSAS, Calvinism, Catholic Christianity, Eternal Security, etc, or we can state our opinion (it doesn't matter what we interpret as the truth - it's still our opinion), support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue slick grace, no grace, grace, hyper grace, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue old earth creationism, young earth creationism, big bang evolution, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue tongues, no tongues, foreign language tongues, prayer language tongues, expired tongues, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree, and move on.

I can go on and on, but my hands hurt too bad.

There is one underlying factor that we must always remember. God works in the heart of each of His children in a way that draws that child closer to Him. If we are a Child of God, we know it. If anyone doubts that he is a Child of God, he probably isn't (MHO). If you have any doubts, I pray that you will take them to God today.
 

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His guy's "review" of the movie "War Room" was interesting and telling...I clicked on the review link below...it was different....I don't think that women would like it...women should not go out to work ..

Blog Page | Justin Peters Ministries – Revivals – Seminars – Bible Studies – Apologetics – Conferences – Pulpit Supply.
I didn't read the review, but I have watched the movie "War Room", and I personally recommend it to everyone.

For those of you who think that a woman must stay at home, read Proverbs 31.
 
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It really is a little hyper to get all up in arms over fools like Todd Bentley and the relatively small flock of followers he has. God says that will always exist. My own denomination kicked this man to the curb when he showed his true colors, but no one in the Vineyard continues to hound him. It isn't necessary. Those who feel a need to follow people like him, will, no matter what is said about them. And people who don't, won't.
 
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Forthangel, Thank you for your responses.

In response to those commenting on this thread. I'll respond as an old man who has grown up as a Christian, and is still growing. I realize that both sides are very passionate about what they believe.

God's word is the same yesterday and today, and it will be the same tomorrow. The world however, changes as often as we change our socks. The problem that we have as the children of God has always been making the Gospel relevant to the lost of the world today. We can sit here and fight about who is correct in the details and we will let the world remain lost, or we can look at what the other side is doing that is right, and merge them together.

We can argue about OSAS, Calvinism, Catholic Christianity, Eternal Security, etc, or we can state our opinion (it doesn't matter what we interpret as the truth - it's still our opinion), support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue slick grace, no grace, grace, hyper grace, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue old earth creationism, young earth creationism, big bang evolution, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture discuss our differences, agree to disagree and move on.

We can argue tongues, no tongues, foreign language tongues, prayer language tongues, expired tongues, etc, or we can state our opinion, support it with scripture, discuss our differences, agree to disagree, and move on.

I can go on and on, but my hands hurt too bad.

There is one underlying factor that we must always remember. God works in the heart of each of His children in a way that draws that child closer to Him. If we are a Child of God, we know it. If anyone doubts that he is a Child of God, he probably isn't (MHO). If you have any doubts, I pray that you will take them to God today.
I wish all of us here walked even half as closely with God as you do. And I mean that in all admirable sincerity.
 
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Lol even the Proverbs perfect woman had a job and a bunch of maids. If everyone is too lazy to clean up you can always take a dog.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDYwM8eznU
I didn't read the review, but I have watched the movie "War Room", and I personally recommend it to everyone.

For those of you who think that a woman must stay at home, read Proverbs 31.

I don't recall anybody saying a woman can not work and must stay at home, that was something that Grace777x70 just threw out in the open from what he read from the link he presented.

But I don't call anybody on here saying such a thing !!!

As a matter of fact all anybody has to do is go back to the OT and read to see the women back then worked and were even given jobs and placed by God in leadership positions and judges back then !!!
 
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I agree and there should always be a heart for restoration too for those that get off on a tangent ....if there wasn't any restoration ..none of us would make it....:rolleyes:


It really is a little hyper to get all up in arms over fools like Todd Bentley and the relatively small flock of followers he has. God says that will always exist. My own denomination kicked this man to the curb when he showed his true colors, but no one in the Vineyard continues to hound him. It isn't necessary. Those who feel a need to follow people like him, will, no matter what is said about them. And people who don't, won't.
 

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It really is a little hyper to get all up in arms over fools like Todd Bentley and the relatively small flock of followers he has. God says that will always exist. My own denomination kicked this man to the curb when he showed his true colors, but no one in the Vineyard continues to hound him. It isn't necessary. Those who feel a need to follow people like him, will, no matter what is said about them. And people who don't, won't.
Im sure glad Jesus didnt get all hyper why cleaning out the church in Jerusalem. Knowwhatimeanvern?
 

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I have read this entire thread from beginning up till now, and I was once (well sorta still am in there Long Story) a false teaching ministry basically a cult its still kinda hard to call it that but that's what it is, and reading all of the replies on here I can see some of you aren't very far off from them, I don't want to sound rude or mean at all but if we truly study the bible it isn't really hard to understand what God is telling us but well men (women too) tend to read out of context and twist scripture for their on conveniences and that's truly evil how can some one do that to another person let alone call them brothers =/ but well idk its nice though reading all the verses given on here they are of great blessings keep up the good work GBU all =)
 
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I didn't read the review, but I have watched the movie "War Room", and I personally recommend it to everyone.

For those of you who think that a woman must stay at home, read Proverbs 31.
I gave it all I could. I made it through page 17, and all I saw was Mr. Peter's usual tearing apart of other people. It seems he has the only way anything should be presented, and anything else is wrong.

He gave a little lip-service to the notion of being fair and objective in the opening lines of his review. And I actually entertained hopes of seeing this happen. But, sure enough, that proved impossible for him. It seems he is just not content unless he is tearing other people down.
 
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