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Baruch

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That's cute and everything, but really I "rarely" see the need to go on for long dense chunks of paragraphs on the Internet about my deeply held convictions, that are most likely part of an ages old debate that will lead to only more arguing anyways.

"Most of the time' I know my beliefs are my beliefs and ranting in long dense paragraphs about them online just won't be productive. It's not due to lack of courage, it's due to an abundance of common sense.

I suppose it would be productive if you knew that those that read those short posts knew where you were coming from.

All I know that as the Gospel is simple, there are alot of extras that needs reporovement by the scriptures. The consequences are still grave for it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Is it love to ignore error that which would cause those to go astray, but yet you said nothing or did not correct the error? And yet, is it so unfathomable that you are not aware of every error that is contrary to the faith in Jesus Christ? Thus the long posting has to occur since errors that has been routine and has been accepted as a practise will be needed to be reproved point by point by the scriptures, because people need to take pause and consider the words and practises that they do in order that He may recover some from the snare of the devil.

Jesus gave long sermons. The sermon on the Mount is a good example. Not sure how He would fare on the internet but then.. no man can come to the Son unless it is the Father that draws him. John 6:44 It would be nice to just post snippets, but I have found that readers do not know where I am coming from and I also found some agree but not really applying the truth to what they say and do.

Sometimes I wonder about those letters to the churches. Would Paul and the others do the same thing in a forum? I honestly don't know, but I shall trust Jesus to guide my footsteps as well as the fingers to type what is needed by His grace.
 
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oh my .. how come no OSAS could answer maggie?

This verse shows that one CAN loose Salvation.

Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Maggie
as i read some thread posts in here about this topic, ..(honest question). why do OSAS folks kept on talking about "something else" lol

first of all, folks, no one refutes Salvation is thru faith, --
the question is, pretty clear. why isnt there any osas who could explain those things? lol. .. it seems to me that u guys, just try to close your eyes, when you see truth in front of you.
 
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I suppose it would be productive if you knew that those that read those short posts knew where you were coming from.

All I know that as the Gospel is simple, there are alot of extras that needs reporovement by the scriptures. The consequences are still grave for it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Is it love to ignore error that which would cause those to go astray, but yet you said nothing or did not correct the error? And yet, is it so unfathomable that you are not aware of every error that is contrary to the faith in Jesus Christ? Thus the long posting has to occur since errors that has been routine and has been accepted as a practise will be needed to be reproved point by point by the scriptures, because people need to take pause and consider the words and practises that they do in order that He may recover some from the snare of the devil.

Jesus gave long sermons. The sermon on the Mount is a good example. Not sure how He would fare on the internet but then.. no man can come to the Son unless it is the Father that draws him. John 6:44 It would be nice to just post snippets, but I have found that readers do not know where I am coming from and I also found some agree but not really applying the truth to what they say and do.

Sometimes I wonder about those letters to the churches. Would Paul and the others do the same thing in a forum? I honestly don't know, but I shall trust Jesus to guide my footsteps as well as the fingers to type what is needed by His grace.
lol you dont even know what God has intended for him dude, you have NO idea..
uh, im talkin bout stilly
 
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I believe one can fall out of grace by mortal sin in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic church. Arminianism is preferable to Calvinism (though both have some truth in them) but it's almost incoherent if you believe you can lose your salvation by doing 'bad things', because Protestants almost never accept the venial/mortal sin distinction and the 'bad things' you do are likely to number in the hundreds of thousands. Believing in loss of salvation through loss of faith is a bit more coherent and defensible, but if you aren't worried about defending your position or explaining it in detail (which, honestly, I do understand and think is a valid approach) then rock on.

More importantly....

This seems a rather angry thread.

Nobody wants a fight. So we don't have to act like it's a fight.

Right? :cool:

(I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. That was not my intention.)
 
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oh my .. how come no OSAS could answer maggie?

as i read some thread posts in here about this topic, ..(honest question). why do OSAS folks kept on talking about "something else" lol

first of all, folks, no one refutes Salvation is thru faith, --
the question is, pretty clear. why isnt there any osas who could explain those things? lol. .. it seems to me that u guys, just try to close your eyes, when you see truth in front of you.
I did, but you ignored it. You have to inlcude verse 4 to understand verse 5 of Revelation 3.

And by talking about something else is about the faith in Jesus Christ.

Were you bought or not?

Were you sealed as His or not?

And yet in spite of all the verses to the contrary, yoiu would say that I am talking about something else.

Fine. Let us look at Maggie's and your statement.

You are saying Jesus is not able to save because it is possible for the devil to pluck the saved out of His hands.

You are saying that in spite of knowing who the elect are, He doesn't really know because He may blot out that name in the Book of Life. It is you & Maggie that are not reading Revelation 3:5 as an exhortation to a church in Thyatira. In other words.. those that overcome will not have their names blotted out so that they can receive the inheritance. And yet you say it is in regards to salvation, but yet over all the address of the churches... losing salvation was not the issue but being ready is.

So like ... forget about faith becsue it is all on you. You cannot say both. Either He did it or you are.

Grace can no longer be grace if it is of works. If you could not save yourself, then you are certainly not able to keep yourself saved. That is like finishing what He has started by the flesh, thus looking to yourself.

By trusting the Lord for salvation as well as to help you live as His, you are abiding forever. That is the only way the relationship with God can exist for Him to know you.

Those that sin or fell away from the faith are in danger of that same judgment of Revelation 3:5 even though it is not repeated in that manner in the address to the other churches of the consequences.

It is like this... the Holy Spirit is speaking but is it His own words or the words of another? You take a singular verse like you and Maggie would say... the Holy Spirit is speaking, but overall in what is written, it is whatever the Holy Spirit hears... that He speaks.

So when you read Revelation 3:4-5, we see the few holding to keeping their garments clean whereas in verse 5. those that had sown to the flesh were in danger of losing their place in the Kingdom of God... their inheritance, but if they overcame, they will be seen as those few in verse 4. Look at the consequences for the other churches for not heeding His address & instructions. How come it is not so flamboyant as losing your name in the Book of Life? Get the overall view of what is going on here now? It is about being ready and be found abiding in Him.

And if you think about it... how does one overcome?... by faith. Not by doing the best you can or by being religious about it, but leaning on the Lord... to prevent us from falling... to strengthen us.. and to lead us away from temptation and deliver us from the evil one. By faith, He will do it. Trust Him.

So the blotting out of the name from the Book of Life by itself may sound severe, but read the other churches and the consequences and you will know it is about being ready for the rapture to inherit the Kingdom of God and thus avoiding the great tribulation. Nuff said. May God cause the increase.
 
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So the blotting out of the name from the Book of Life by itself may sound severe
hmm good point. To be blotted out of the book of life means one's name was in it the first place, thus disproving OSAS. Thankyou all, have a nice day.
 
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wow mahogony.....interesting point .
 
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hmm good point. To be blotted out of the book of life means one's name was in it the first place, thus disproving OSAS. Thankyou all, have a nice day.
Amen bro. 'Nuff said!
 
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Interesting verse, but maybe if you included verse 4, we can see this as an exhortation.

Revelation 3: 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

When God addresses the churches, He gave each one specific instructions for the purpose of avoiding the great tribulation as judgment must fall on the House of God first. Ther following verses speaks as an example to that end.

Revelation 2: 18And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So as it is a loss of inheritance in that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, any prodigal son living now repents of his or her deeds, they will not be kicked out of the Kingdom of Heaven at the rapture event to go through the great tribulation... as in those in Revelation 3:4-5 will not have the names blotted out of the book of life if they overcome and thus be considered as those in verse 4.

As it is, using that singular verse of Revelation 3:5 does not negate the will of God in these verses.

John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So when I read that verse in Revelation 3:5, I do not see the loss of salvation, but of the inheritance.

As Jesus taught, so will He do. Why save someone and then declare He was not able to finish? That is not to His glory.

Luke 14:27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

So as the ones that did not follow His voice but went after a stranger's voice, they will hear His voice and be on the one fold and one shepherd albeit left behind at the rapture event to go through the great tribulation.

John 10:4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.........14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

What? Did you think Jesus would forget about those that have gone astray?

Luke 15:3And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

So that is what the great tribulation is for when judgment falls on the House of God due to the falling away of the faith. The foolish virgins will finally have oil for their lamps to bear witness of what Christ has done but too late for the Marriage Supper as the prodigal son gave up his inheritance for wild living and yet he is called son still.

Hebrews 12th chapter does speak of God reproving fire as 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 warns about how believers are to build on that faith in their walk with the Lord. There is a loss as God has to wipe the tears from their eyes that come out of the great tribulation to get them passed that loss, so there is an inheritance worth desiring as opposed to looking to oneself to get yourself into Heaven as we look to Christ to enable us to live as His by faith alone... for no flesh shall glory in His presence.

As we look to the elder son that was disgruntled over the return of the prodigal son, we see the hint of the difference bewteen the loyal son and the loss that the poridgal son has suffered.

Luke 15:24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. 25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. 26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. 27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. 28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. 29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: 30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. 31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

The underline of verse 31 implies that it is not so with the prodigal son.

So as OSAS must be careful to not allow this topic to teach falsely that it doiesn't matter how we live for it does in regards to our first inheritance, but yet at the same time, those that speak against that OSAS or eternal security aspect of it are in danger of denying that we have been bought as His.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in ****able heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

One can see the value of what Christ has done when these verse reprove the sin of fornication.

1 Corinthians 6:14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Since we are to be witnesses of Him, speaking against the eternal security divides the hope in Christ by placing it partly on the believer to keep himself saved which is not the Gospel nor to His glory. We are to live by faith in the Good Shepherd to help us live as His just as we are to live by faith that we have obtained eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour. How we build on that faith is how we bear witness of the Good News.

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Titus 3:4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Hopefully, the Lord shall lead whomever He wills to read this and know of the hope to trust Him to be their Saviour as well as their Good Shepherd in helping them to live as His thus the just shall live by faith. That is the only way we can get to know Him and be witnesses of Him and not of ourselves.
Jesus is our inheritance. He is the prize. To lose Him is to lose salvation and eternal life with Him in heaven.
 

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hmm good point. To be blotted out of the book of life means one's name was in it the first place, thus disproving OSAS. Thankyou all, have a nice day.

If I am saved by grace through faith (and according to your doctrine) and fell away from the grace that saved me, I no longer have salvation. That puts me in the same place they I was before I received grace for salvation and now I have returned to being dead in my trespasses and sins once again (Eph 2:1, Col 2:13). I am back under the wrath and condemnation of God (John 3:36, 5:24). Everything that God had given to me by grace it taken from me because I fell from grace and perhaps only seemed to have had it (Luke 8:18). Then you say that once that I have tasted of the heavenly gift and was made a partaker of the Holy Spirit and I fell away, it is impossible to renew me to repentance (Heb 6:4-6). I have now become reprobate in the eyes of God (2Cor 13:5) according to (2Tim 3:8) or (Titus 1:6) and can never be saved or renewed again.

Does God return to me the sins that He had forgiven? If He did not return them to me, then how would I die in my sins (John 8:21,24)? How can God return to me my sins that he said He put away (Heb 9:26), buried in the depths of the sea (Micah 7:19), separated them as far as the east is from the west (Ps 103:12) and can't remember them anymore (Heb 10:17)? Can I be cleansed and forgiven of sin and then fall away having that all revoked? In (John 10:28,29) I was given eternal life, I would never perish and no man would be able to pluck me from the hand of the Son or the Father's hand, but when I fell I was able to pluck myself out of God hands. What did God think when I plucked myself out of His hand? If no man had the power to do that and I did, then my actions and my volition must have been the power to be able to release myself form the hand of the Son and also of the Father. Salvation is not just a whosoever will may come but also a whosoever will may leave. I can freely receive and I can freely let it all go.

I lose my sonship, my priesthood, my adoption and my position in Christ. I lose His gift of righteousness and eternal life. I no longer have faith, I am no longer God's friend, the Holy Spirit has left me and I have no hope. When I have to face Him at the judgment seat He will only say to me, Sorry, I never knew you, depart from me you that work iniquity (Mt 7:23).
 
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Yep if your name gets blotted out of the book of life you have just lost your salvation that is for sure.
 
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BLC that pretty much sums up what I believe the bible teaches.

Being blotted out of the book of life is a problem for the OSAS doctrine. For starters, who is this warning written to in Revelations, non-christians? What are non-christians doing with their name in the the book of life, can you answer that? And what interest would non-christians have in reading let alone corrupting Revelations anyway? This warnign in Revelations is meant for the intended recipients - the church. The author of Revelations therefore obviously did not believe in OSAS. If he was a OSAS believer, he would have said the offender "will lose some rewards but not their salvation " instead of "name blotted out from the book of life".

David said in the Psalms "Take not your Holy Spirit from me". Showing that God can and could remove His Spirit from someone if He wanted to. And if a person doesn't have the Spirit they are none of His.

OSAS believers say it is impossible for God...

Scripture says all things are possible for God.

Does God return to me the sins that He had forgiven?
No, they are forgiven and forgotten, but if we reject the Saviour we reject salvation from that moment on, afterall, disbelief is a sin and any further sin we commit is not covered by the blood.

Salvation is not just a whosoever will may come but also a whosoever will may leave. I can freely receive and I can freely let it all go.
Exactly, a gift freely received, must also be able to be freely rejected or thrown out. God is not bound to stop anyone from jumping off a cliff for example, if they are stupid enough to do so.
 

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Then repentance must swing both ways. I can turn from self to God and I can also turn from God to self. I can turn from my sin and I can turn back to my sin. There must be some kind of sin or evil that keeps me from turning back and being renewed again unto repentance, indicating that my name has been blotted out of the book of life. This must be the sin unto death that should not be pray for in (John 5:16,17). Once I have committed this sin unto death there is no way for me to repent because my name has been blotted out of the book of life. The blotting out of my name would take place once I have committed that sin unto death, or the sin of no return. The prodigal son must not have committed this sin unto death because he was renewed, he was lost but found and was dead and is alive again (Luke 15:24). His backsliding of riotous living, that included fornication with prostitutes, did not include any sin unto death, because if it had, his name would have been blotted out and his father would not have received him back and restored him as his son.

Could blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be one of those sins unto death that could never be forgiven? So then, there is no grace that is going to be able to save me again. We know that a person has passed from death unto life when they love the brethren, therefore if I can not be renewed I have passed from life back into death and have no capacity to love the brethren or forgive my brother, because the Holy Spirit has been taken from me and I am no longer a brother and do not have grace. So if I claim to have Christ, it must be another Christ and another Spirit and I must be preaching another gospel (2Cor 11:4). There would be no way that I could love God or my neighbor, therefore having no ability to keep the commandments. Woe unto me and my religion must be defiled. Is this what you believe according to your doctrine and understanding of the scriptures? With all of this how can anyone be sure of their call to salvation and their election by grace when there is always the possibility that they could commit a sin unto death and be blotted out of the book of life?
 
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hmm good point. To be blotted out of the book of life means one's name was in it the first place, thus disproving OSAS. Thankyou all, have a nice day.
No. You missed the point as well.

Being blotted out of the Book of Life has nothing to do with salvation as it did about inheriting the Kingdom of God. If you consider that everyone that gets saved is ready to be received, but when they fall away from the faith, they become disqualified. Course, you probably are still seeing it as speaking against eternal security... so then let us look at how absurd that application is.

God is addressing seven churches in Revelation. Notice the consequences between these two churches.. just as an example.

Revelation 3:1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Since we talked about masturbation and disagree about uncleanness in referring to that ....

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

.. what would you say is being spoken about in Revelation 3:4-5?

And while you are on that, consider the consequences of fornication and adultery in Revelation 2:21-22. How does that compare with what the consequences are in Revelation 3:4-5?

This is what I mean about taking the whole of the address God is giving to the churches in Revelation. He is giving a call to be ready and the consequences thereof will be getting left behind to go through the great tribulation which is like a judgment in and of itself as being blotted out of the Book of Life to lose that inheritance in the Kingdom of God.

If you still maintain it is about salvation, then explain the extreme consequences for those that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness as opposing to fornication and adultery.

If you need further proof of what I am trying to share by His grace, then read the other address, instructions, and consequences to the other five of the seven churches... you will see it as an exhortation to continue to abide in Him as any elect will need to live by the Word of God. To not state the consequences is to not fully inform the elect of what will befall those that are not the elect but the wayward that do not heed His words nor do them as the elect would for they heed His saying and do them.

Matthew 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

The blotting out of the Book of Life is a vessel unto dishonour, but yet still a part of His House.

So again, the address God is giving to the churches in Revelation is about being ready and found abiding in Him for the pre-tribulation rapture. Those that are not... are left behind..disqualified.. blotted out of the Book of Life to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

The wayward are still written in that Book, but if they do not overcome with His help by the time judgment falls on the House of God... then they will go through the great tribulation.

Hopefully, you will understand where I am coming from by His grace even if you do not accept this view
 
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