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This verse shows that one CAN loose Salvation.

Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Maggie
Later on in Revelation, the same book that you are quoting from, scripture tells that no one should add to or take away from the contents of this book or his name shall be ERASED from the Book of Life. If one can not forfeit their salvation then how is it their name can be erased?

So which is it Maggie?
 
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I was convinced of his position before I had ever heard of the book but it is a very good read none the less. Yes I agree roaring should read the book for herself.
her is a he ..ooops;)
 
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It's obvious to me that those who believe in OSAS clearly lack spiritual discernment. How clear can a person be. Living a life of obedience has absolutely nothing do with with believing that works can save you. It has everything to with loving and trusting in God who declares His word is true. Ironically enough the same people who believe that one can not forfiet his or her salvation also do not believe in the baptism or the gifts of the Holy Spirit (the majority of them anyways). Considering discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit, a concept that they do not believe in, then it's safe to say that a person can not operate in in something in which they do not believe.

To be honest with you, I'm beginning to wonder if we are actually reading the same Bible and worshiping the same God.
 
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I am someone who has disagreed with roaring on a few issues and agreed on a few... A definite inaccurate statement would be to state that he doesnt have his own opinions. My experience of roaring is that he has a heart for the Truth... believes with every fibre of his being his truth and feels compelled to warn other Christians based on this truth. Now there have been times when I am put off by the post or the way it was written but honestly... after reading and responding... I go about my day and reflect on the things that Roaring... BLC and other posters who got my back up had to say. I think in all things we should question what we are taught... weigh the opinions of others to what we find biblical and make a decision based on that. I embrace the posters here who cause me to get my back up and get irritated cause they make me think long and hard on what I believe and that is a wonderful challenge dont you think? I'm not saying all this to make you feel bad about your post... cause i've posted mean comments to roaring in the past too (sorry roaring...)... I just wanted to clarify that this is not someone who lacks knowledge or his own opinion... it just may differ from ours.

I agree Imoss, the last thing I want to do is to confine God into a box of my own design because of religious thinking thus limiting what God can do for and through me. I'll also be the first to admit there have been times when I have been in error and the Holy Spirit has corrected me. Praise God!

However, it pains me to see people who subscribe to various doctrine who, in their own religious pride, deny God glory by twisting scripture to suit their own personal agendas. Scripture tells us that we can identify false teachers by their fruit however, when confronted about their fruit these same people will side step the entire conversation which leads me to believe that God does not bear witness to their personal ministry nor the doctrine that they embrace. If He had, these same people would have multiple testimonies to share about the grace and goodness of God.
 
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This verse shows that one CAN loose Salvation.

Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Maggie
I appoligize Maggie for my previous post in this thread. It has been my experience that when people use the term "Arminianism" it's ussually being used in an negative or insulting manner. After re-reading your quote from the book of Revelation, I now realize that I had misunderstood your position. Again I appologize.
 
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Ps 106:1Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 107:1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
I am so thankful that I don't have to rely on my works for My salvation , but rathers the works of Christ, I am so thnkful that I have not allow satan to trick me into thinking that there is something I can do for my salvation, either to abtain it or keep it. I am so thankful that I trust Jesus for my salvation and I trust Him that He is able to keep me from falling.

Thank You Jesus Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,Jude 1:25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.
 
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Ps 106:1Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 107:1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
I am so thankful that I don't have to rely on my works for My salvation , but rathers the works of Christ, I am so thnkful that I have not allow satan to trick me into thinking that there is something I can do for my salvation, either to abtain it or keep it. I am so thankful that I trust Jesus for my salvation and I trust Him that He is able to keep me from falling.

Thank You Jesus Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,Jude 1:25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.
Amen!!!!!!!
 

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KindomGeneration
JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT

First I am thankful for anything that God has delivered you from. It reveals to me the goodness of God. The fruit of the Spirit is love. If I forgive my brother or bear his burden is that somehow lacking in God's power and benefits of grace? If I lay my life down for my friend and cover his sin, is the Holy Spirit some how not a part of that love? If I give a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple is that something God takes lightly? If I visit the sick and feed those that hunger and cloth the naked, am I doing something outside the will of God? If I don't let my right know what my left hand is doing, does that go unnoticed with God? If I bestow more abundant honor on them that seem to be less honorable, is that lacking the power of God's love?

If I sow the precious seed or even water that which has been sowed by others, is it not God that gives the increase? If I visit the fatherless and the widows, is not this pure and undefiled before God? If I refuse to think evil because that is what love does, should I be judged for not thinking evil? If I pray and believe that all things are possible, am I doing wrong or lacking in faith? If I preach the gospel and confess the name of Christ to 1,000 people with no response, does God consider that to be in vanity with no fruit? When a mother loves her children and brings them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord is she not obeying what God desires because of love? When we walk by faith and not by sight and trust God, is that not pleasing to the Father? Are not all these things that have been mentioned part of the anointing and instructions that we have of God through the Holy Spirit? Is there no power of God revealed in these things that can effect others for eternity?

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Quote: 'However, it pains me to see people who subscribe to various doctrine who, in their own religious pride, deny God glory by twisting scripture to suit their own personal agendas. Scripture tells us that we can identify false teachers by their fruit however, when confronted about their fruit these same people will side step the entire conversation which leads me to believe that God does not bear witness to their personal ministry nor the doctrine that they embrace. If He had, these same people would have multiple testimonies to share about the grace and goodness of God'.

KingdomGeneration,

Let's talk some turkey. There are some, like 1still_waters, that like to make fun of these kind of issues and don't have the courage of their convictions to speak up and be accounted for as a spirit-filled man or woman of God. But leaving them aside let's go on.

Let's put into practice what you believe. When is the last time you sinned? Was it today, yesterday, last week, last month or before that? Was your sin something that you had done before or was it something you have never done? How did you know that it was sin? Was it because of conviction, breaking of some law or something of the flesh? What did you do about it? At that point did you loose salvation or just repent to keep you from loosing it? Or was it some sin that you don't have to worry about because it doesn't have the power of death? Do you have a list of sins that have the power of death that you would like to share with us, so that we can refrain from these so that we will not lose our salvation? Also include the other list, like the sin of worry, that are safe sins. I have some other questions but since you have read (400) pages of the book, I'll stop there and let you have your turn.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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Ps 106:1Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 107:1O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.Ps 118:1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
I am so thankful that I don't have to rely on my works for My salvation , but rathers the works of Christ, I am so thnkful that I have not allow satan to trick me into thinking that there is something I can do for my salvation, either to abtain it or keep it. I am so thankful that I trust Jesus for my salvation and I trust Him that He is able to keep me from falling.

Thank You Jesus Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,Jude 1:25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.
Thaddeus, I agree 100%. I don't rely on works either. I deny my flesh not because I have to but I want to out of love, reverance and obedience to the word of God through Christ Jesus, the author of my salvation, my trust and my hope.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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KindomGeneration
JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT

First I am thankful for anything that God has delivered you from. It reveals to me the goodness of God. The fruit of the Spirit is love. If I forgive my brother or bear his burden is that somehow lacking in God's power and benefits of grace? If I lay my life down for my friend and cover his sin, is the Holy Spirit some how not a part of that love? If I give a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple is that something God takes lightly? If I visit the sick and feed those that hunger and cloth the naked, am I doing something outside the will of God? If I don't let my right know what my left hand is doing, does that go unnoticed with God? If I bestow more abundant honor on them that seem to be less honorable, is that lacking the power of God's love?

If I sow the precious seed or even water that which has been sowed by others, is it not God that gives the increase? If I visit the fatherless and the widows, is not this pure and undefiled before God? If I refuse to think evil because that is what love does, should I be judged for not thinking evil? If I pray and believe that all things are possible, am I doing wrong or lacking in faith? If I preach the gospel and confess the name of Christ to 1,000 people with no response, does God consider that to be in vanity with no fruit? When a mother loves her children and brings them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord is she not obeying what God desires because of love? When we walk by faith and not by sight and trust God, is that not pleasing to the Father? Are not all these things that have been mentioned part of the anointing and instructions that we have of God through the Holy Spirit? Is there no power of God revealed in these things that can effect others for eternity?

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Quote: 'However, it pains me to see people who subscribe to various doctrine who, in their own religious pride, deny God glory by twisting scripture to suit their own personal agendas. Scripture tells us that we can identify false teachers by their fruit however, when confronted about their fruit these same people will side step the entire conversation which leads me to believe that God does not bear witness to their personal ministry nor the doctrine that they embrace. If He had, these same people would have multiple testimonies to share about the grace and goodness of God'.

KingdomGeneration,

Let's talk some turkey. There are some, like 1still_waters, that like to make fun of these kind of issues and don't have the courage of their convictions to speak up and be accounted for as a spirit-filled man or woman of God. But leaving them aside let's go on.

Let's put into practice what you believe. When is the last time you sinned? Was it today, yesterday, last week, last month or before that? Was your sin something that you had done before or was it something you have never done? How did you know that it was sin? Was it because of conviction, breaking of some law or something of the flesh? What did you do about it? At that point did you loose salvation or just repent to keep you from loosing it? Or was it some sin that you don't have to worry about because it doesn't have the power of death? Do you have a list of sins that have the power of death that you would like to share with us, so that we can refrain from these so that we will not lose our salvation? Also include the other list, like the sin of worry, that are safe sins. I have some other questions but since you have read (400) pages of the book, I'll stop there and let you have your turn.
We are all sinners in desperate need of a savior. I am nothing without God's mercy, His grace, and His Holy Spirit at work in my life. All I do have is an intense longing in my heart for more of God and a testimony of how He has changed my life. A testimony that has already produced positive fruit on many occasions.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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BTW BLC, I respect the fact that you are unwilling to scoff and make light of the belief in Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Let's talk some turkey. There are some, like 1still_waters, that like to make fun of these kind of issues and don't have the courage of their convictions to speak up and be accounted for as a spirit-filled man or woman of God. But leaving them aside let's go on.
That's cute and everything, but really I "rarely" see the need to go on for long dense chunks of paragraphs on the Internet about my deeply held convictions, that are most likely part of an ages old debate that will lead to only more arguing anyways.

"Most of the time' I know my beliefs are my beliefs and ranting in long dense paragraphs about them online just won't be productive. It's not due to lack of courage, it's due to an abundance of common sense.

 
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But I admit i do have my moments where I will engage in some densely chunked paragraphed rants.
 

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That's cute and everything, but really I "rarely" see the need to go on for long dense chunks of paragraphs on the Internet about my deeply held convictions, that are most likely part of an ages old debate that will lead to only more arguing anyways.

"Most of the time' I know my beliefs are my beliefs and ranting in long dense paragraphs about them online just won't be productive. It's not due to lack of courage, it's due to an abundance of common sense.

If you are going to take sarcastic shots at people with your threads and be joined by your little clique of converts, what don't you be a man and come out from your little cloak and say what you have to say face to face. Maybe you don't take the nature of God seriously because of complacency or passivity, but there are some things going on here that don't pass even your litmus test. If you don't want to engage, it's your choice, but don't take shots at those that do. The problem is that you don't see the word of God as it relates to the person of Christ. We learn doctrine and the word to get to know the mind of Christ to know how to respond by faith in the details of life and not just for knowledge. The reason that there is such a diverse understanding about the nature of God's word is because of the deception that comes from human viewpoint instead of God's divine viewpoint. I thought you were a man of the fundamentals of the faith. There are those fundamentals of the faith going on right here and you stay silent and call that an abundance of common sense. Every portion and testimony of God's word from every member is vital and yours is needed. We overcome the devil with the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. When there is a lack we need to step up and supply that which is lacking. We are quick to hear and slow to speak, but we speak once we have heard. As a brother in Christ I need your portion to make up for that which is lacking. That is how we are knit together in Christ and the love of God.
 
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As a brother in Christ I need your portion to make up for that which is lacking. That is how we are knit together in Christ and the love of God.
Oh you seem pretty 'well read'. I'm sure you've seen, heard, read or in other ways received my 'portion'. You just got it from others. There is rarely need for me to rehash stuff you've probably already heard and have heartily decided to disagree with.

Plus in a way I am giving you my 'portion'. I'm saying that ranting about things online may not be worth it.

You don't seem to like my portion, so why should I spend time giving any more?

In the past when I gave my views, folks viewed it as an attack and not as someone stating their views.

So upon much reflection I've just decided in MOST situations, it's just not worth gettin in to.
 
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When I give my portion through my cutesy posts that are trying to say, "Hey folks there are cool positive simple things in the faith we can focus on too' You get mad, because you don't agree. So if you get mad at those, just imagine how you'd get if I stated OTHER views you disagree with!

I post very rarely in proportion to most of you on this section of the forum. So when you see a post of mine trying to cutesly remind you that there are positive simple things in the faith to focus on, don't view it as a pot shot. :)
 
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If you are going to take sarcastic shots at people with your threads and be joined by your little clique of converts, what don't you be a man and come out from your little cloak and say what you have to say face to face. Maybe you don't take the nature of God seriously because of complacency or passivity, but there are some things going on here that don't pass even your litmus test. If you don't want to engage, it's your choice, but don't take shots at those that do. The problem is that you don't see the word of God as it relates to the person of Christ. We learn doctrine and the word to get to know the mind of Christ to know how to respond by faith in the details of life and not just for knowledge. The reason that there is such a diverse understanding about the nature of God's word is because of the deception that comes from human viewpoint instead of God's divine viewpoint. I thought you were a man of the fundamentals of the faith. There are those fundamentals of the faith going on right here and you stay silent and call that an abundance of common sense. Every portion and testimony of God's word from every member is vital and yours is needed. We overcome the devil with the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. When there is a lack we need to step up and supply that which is lacking. We are quick to hear and slow to speak, but we speak once we have heard. As a brother in Christ I need your portion to make up for that which is lacking. That is how we are knit together in Christ and the love of God.

You know, if you all put half as much effort into your ministries in real life as you do into posting big wads of ranting (or cutting and pasting other people's work) on the internet you'd find you'd be much more constructive and productive for God...something to think about isnt it!
 

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You know, if you all put half as much effort into your ministries in real life as you do into posting big wads of ranting (or cutting and pasting other people's work) on the internet you'd find you'd be much more constructive and productive for God...something to think about isn't it!
Would you like to go on the mission field as a full time laborer? We are to pray to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers because they are few. Are you willing to go? Are you willing to be prepared and trained? Jesus said that for those who would go that He would send them as sheep among wolves. Are you ready for that and are you prepared for that kind of ministry? A servant is not greater than his master and if they call the master Beelzebub what shall they call the members of his household? Are you ready for that? What about your family and friends, what will they think? Do you really want to follow Christ as a disciple? Do you really want to go where He might lead you. Are you really ready to eat His flesh and drink His blood? What are your priorities as a believer? Did Christ call you to only be a believer and to leave the discipleship of following Him to others? We have been bought with a price and we are not our own. We are God's purchased possession, a peculiar people, and we are to glorify God in our spirit, soul and body. No ranting just inquiring!
 
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Oh you seem pretty 'well read'. I'm sure you've seen, heard, read or in other ways received my 'portion'. You just got it from others. There is rarely need for me to rehash stuff you've probably already heard and have heartily decided to disagree with.

Plus in a way I am giving you my 'portion'. I'm saying that ranting about things online may not be worth it.

You don't seem to like my portion, so why should I spend time giving any more?

In the past when I gave my views, folks viewed it as an attack and not as someone stating their views.

So upon much reflection I've just decided in MOST situations, it's just not worth gettin in to.
I think it is prudent as a moderator that 1still_waters not get drawn into these types of discussions. His position in here is to moderate the room and the posts that I've seen of his have all been sound and non-confrontational. BLC you attacked 1still_waters in this thread and that is absolutely unacceptable. I dont just say this because he is a mod or because i am his "convert"... I dont really know him except have seen his orange symbol in the chat room and heard him talking a couple of times. All I know is it is reprehensible for you to force him into accountablity on a discussion that he was never part of because he posted a warning thread "God is Love" and perhaps you dont like to hear that God is Love. As you stated, we are all to be knit together, but honestly i hope there are a few people cushioning me from you in the body of Christ cause you dont treat your brothers in Christ with love. Please dont respond... please dont attack me, but if you decide to thats ok too, you've done it before. Try Love.
 
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This verse shows that one CAN loose Salvation.

Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Maggie
Interesting verse, but maybe if you included verse 4, we can see this as an exhortation.

Revelation 3: 4Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

When God addresses the churches, He gave each one specific instructions for the purpose of avoiding the great tribulation as judgment must fall on the House of God first. Ther following verses speaks as an example to that end.

Revelation 2: 18And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So as it is a loss of inheritance in that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, any prodigal son living now repents of his or her deeds, they will not be kicked out of the Kingdom of Heaven at the rapture event to go through the great tribulation... as in those in Revelation 3:4-5 will not have the names blotted out of the book of life if they overcome and thus be considered as those in verse 4.

As it is, using that singular verse of Revelation 3:5 does not negate the will of God in these verses.

John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So when I read that verse in Revelation 3:5, I do not see the loss of salvation, but of the inheritance.

As Jesus taught, so will He do. Why save someone and then declare He was not able to finish? That is not to His glory.

Luke 14:27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

So as the ones that did not follow His voice but went after a stranger's voice, they will hear His voice and be on the one fold and one shepherd albeit left behind at the rapture event to go through the great tribulation.

John 10:4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.........14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

What? Did you think Jesus would forget about those that have gone astray?

Luke 15:3And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

So that is what the great tribulation is for when judgment falls on the House of God due to the falling away of the faith. The foolish virgins will finally have oil for their lamps to bear witness of what Christ has done but too late for the Marriage Supper as the prodigal son gave up his inheritance for wild living and yet he is called son still.

Hebrews 12th chapter does speak of God reproving fire as 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 warns about how believers are to build on that faith in their walk with the Lord. There is a loss as God has to wipe the tears from their eyes that come out of the great tribulation to get them passed that loss, so there is an inheritance worth desiring as opposed to looking to oneself to get yourself into Heaven as we look to Christ to enable us to live as His by faith alone... for no flesh shall glory in His presence.

As we look to the elder son that was disgruntled over the return of the prodigal son, we see the hint of the difference bewteen the loyal son and the loss that the poridgal son has suffered.

Luke 15:24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. 25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing. 26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant. 27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound. 28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him. 29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends: 30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf. 31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. 32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

The underline of verse 31 implies that it is not so with the prodigal son.

So as OSAS must be careful to not allow this topic to teach falsely that it doiesn't matter how we live for it does in regards to our first inheritance, but yet at the same time, those that speak against that OSAS or eternal security aspect of it are in danger of denying that we have been bought as His.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in ****able heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

One can see the value of what Christ has done when these verse reprove the sin of fornication.

1 Corinthians 6:14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Since we are to be witnesses of Him, speaking against the eternal security divides the hope in Christ by placing it partly on the believer to keep himself saved which is not the Gospel nor to His glory. We are to live by faith in the Good Shepherd to help us live as His just as we are to live by faith that we have obtained eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour. How we build on that faith is how we bear witness of the Good News.

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Titus 3:4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Hopefully, the Lord shall lead whomever He wills to read this and know of the hope to trust Him to be their Saviour as well as their Good Shepherd in helping them to live as His thus the just shall live by faith. That is the only way we can get to know Him and be witnesses of Him and not of ourselves.
 
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