False tongues, are you being decieved?

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Tongues was turned into a "heavenly prayer language" by people attempting to justify the use of gibberish that cannot be understood because it has no meaning.
It is not 'turned into' but is justified in Scripture as one of the gift manifestation in some believers, a Heavenly sign for unbelievers and also for believer's as a Spiritual lesson, according to 1 Corinthian chapter 14, in order to know they are actually Heavenly language. They are ordered by the LORD that and two or three at a time should utter them and also with interpretation, for all there present to understand what is being spoken. This is one of the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT, imparted on some believers to perform in service an 'intercession', between faithful, submissive and obedient to HIS Word them and GOD, so that all in the meeting place who are able understand upon interpretation and in agreement together as 'one' body, soul and spirit say together, Amen.
 
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It is not 'turned into' but is justified in Scripture as one of the gift manifestation in some believers, a Heavenly sign for unbelievers and also for believer's as a Spiritual lesson, according to 1 Corinthian chapter 14, in order to know they are actually Heavenly language. They are ordered by the LORD that and two or three at a time should utter them and also with interpretation, for all there present to understand what is being spoken. This is one of the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT, imparted on some believers to perform in service an 'intercession', between faithful, submissive and obedient to HIS Word them and GOD, so that all in the meeting place who are able understand upon interpretation and in agreement together as 'one' body, soul and spirit say together, Amen.
Moreover they are not gibberish but have meaning to them and that is why Apostle Paul instructed believers also to ask for the gift of interpretation. If one speak in tongues and without interpretation, must stop and remain silent. They are told to do them quietly in their hearts, between them and GOD.

Please read these in testament written in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 and 14. And please do not witness like an outsider opposing in that which has been written which supposedly justified and manifesting in every meeting places accordingly by the church,. So that witnesses of the Word taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, to see and believe manifestation of spirit of truth and not spirit of error. And also not be discouraged witnessing bold ignorance corrupted deception in continuation.

For the LORD's ahead of time Spiritual lesson in the New Testament indicates to us, of the coming rejection to the 'lawlessness' practicing Christian, who have labored in vain 'self' practices that against the CHRIST's and his Apostle's teachings of forgetting 'self' order practices of the New written Covenant.
 

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Some of those sentences are a bit ambiguous so you may want to clarify, but again, these are assertions just like the many before. I understand you want to make threats and kind of scare people into believing in these types of tongues, but only good arguments are going to be persuasive here. So far I just see assertions and threats.

You've asserted history supports gibberish tongues.
Support offered: none

You've asserted gibberish tongues are a sign for today.
Support: none

You've asserted gibberish tongues were prophesied to be mocked.
Support: none
again I am not making any threat nor could I scare anyone into believing what the bible says about the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are in 1cor 12, 13, 14 the whole chapters on who empower to have the gifts, how to use the gifts and what they look and sound like if not used for the purpose of edification, comfort, and exhortation and finally bring glory to God.


you attack me with presumptions but I just stated the Church history does provide on speaking in tongues but more important the Bible does and really I have need to go any further. it's what Jesus said in Mark 16, it was recorded many times in the book of Acts and Paul under the Guiding of the Holy Spirit taught the church of the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit".

1.You've asserted history supports gibberish tongues.

Support offered:
the History of the Gifts of the Holy and the holy Spirit really go back along way but again the bible is clear however, third century. Tertullian (c.160-c.225) when a formal doctrine was given to combat Montanist heresy to distinguish between true and false activities of the Holy Spirit. Origen of Alexandria (c.185-c.254) taught that the Spirit worked primarily within the Church, whereas the Word (Christ) worked within the whole of creation.


You've asserted gibberish tongues are a sign for today.
Support:

The bible it was a nominative in the Word of God that was recorded in Acts and seen there in the Word of God repeatedly and the Holy Spirit is still active in the world today saving. God still is saving, calling healing and providing the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives as HE sees fit.

You've asserted gibberish tongues were prophesied to be mocked.
Support:

I did not say that what I did "Mockers were well documented and Jesus said they would come."
the scriptures of Mockers you can find in Matt 27:27 Jesus was mocked. 2 Pet 3:3 NASBK "now this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts

Now it is in the bible in over whelming witness to the gifts of the Holy Spirit. please provide me where the gibberish God uses in the bible for tongues is not for today?

assertions none, threats no even. you have not provided a biblical position that is in agreement with what you believe . eisegesis, is not the proper biblical way to study the Word of God. Exegesis is the appreciate method. a Christian has the Holy Spirit to help them learn that too is a gift from God that Jesus said the Holy Spirit would do. And I might add He is still doing it today just like the Tongues you mock and call what? gibberish. I am not threating you nor am I trying to scare you :) please that was funny. and only good arguments are going to be persuasive here? are you trying to win an argument? I am not, you are free to believe what you want and keep your standing on the gifts of the spirit it really is not going to rune what the says. you have a great day sorry you felt threaten I know how it can be coming on a web page and feeling so many are out there trying to steal your faith. But this might help GOd did not give you a spirit of fear but POWER, LOVE, and healthy Mind.... power = dunamis = from Spirit of God for today love=agape= from God for today Sound mind= From God and for today in the believer of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Some of those sentences are a bit ambiguous so you may want to clarify, but again, these are assertions just like the many before. I understand you want to make threats and kind of scare people into believing in these types of tongues, but only good arguments are going to be persuasive here. So far I just see assertions and threats.

You've asserted history supports gibberish tongues.
Support offered: none

You've asserted gibberish tongues are a sign for today.
Support: none

You've asserted gibberish tongues were prophesied to be mocked.
Support: none
again I am not making any threat nor could I scare anyone into believing what the bible says about the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are in 1cor 12, 13, 14 the whole chapters on who empower to have the gifts, how to use the gifts and what they look and sound like if not used for the purpose of edification, comfort, and exhortation and finally bring glory to God.


you attack me with presumptions but I just stated that Church history does provide on speaking in tongues but more important the Bible does and really I have no need to go any further. it's what Jesus said in Mark 16, it was recorded many times in the book of Acts and Paul under the Guiding of the Holy Spirit taught the church of the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit".

1.You've asserted history supports gibberish tongues.

Support offered:
the History of the Gifts of the Holy and the Holy Spirit really go back along way but again the bible is clear however, third century. Tertullian (c.160-c.225) when a formal doctrine was given to combat Montanist heresy to distinguish between true and false activities of the Holy Spirit. Origen of Alexandria (c.185-c.254) taught that the Spirit worked primarily within the Church, whereas the Word (Christ) worked within the whole of creation.


You've asserted gibberish tongues are a sign for today.
Support:

In the bible it was a nominative in the Word of God that was recorded in Acts and seen there in the Word of God repeatedly and the Holy Spirit is still active in the world today saving. God still is saving, calling, healing, and providing the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives as HE sees fit.

You've asserted gibberish tongues were prophesied to be mocked.
Support:

I did not say that, what I did say is "Mockers were well documented and Jesus said they would come."
the scriptures of Mockers you can find in Matt 27:27 Jesus was mocked. 2 Pet 3:3 NASB "Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts

Now it is in the bible in over whelming witness to the gifts of the Holy Spirit. please provide me where the gibberish God uses in the bible for tongues is not for today?

assertions none, threats no even. you have not provided a biblical position that is in agreement with what you believe . eisegesis, is not the proper biblical way to study the Word of God. Exegesis is the appreciate method. a Christian has the Holy Spirit to help them learn, that too is a gift from God that Jesus said the Holy Spirit would do for us today. And I might add He is still doing it today just like the tongues you mock and call what? gibberish. I am not threating you nor am I trying to scare you :) please that was funny. " and only good arguments are going to be persuasive here?" are you trying to win an argument? I am not, you are free to believe what you want and keep your standing on the gifts of the Spirit it really is not going to rune what the Bible says. you have a great day sorry you felt threaten. I know how it can be coming on a web page and feeling so many are out there trying to steal your faith. But this might help GOd did not give you a spirit of fear but POWER, LOVE, and Healthy Mind.... power = dunamis = from Spirit of God for today love=agape= from God for today Sound mind= From God and for today in the believer of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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....1.You've asserted history supports gibberish tongues.

Support offered:
the History of the Gifts of the Holy and the Holy Spirit really go back along way but again the bible is clear however, third century. Tertullian (c.160-c.225) when a formal doctrine was given to combat Montanist heresy to distinguish between true and false activities of the Holy Spirit. Origen of Alexandria (c.185-c.254) taught that the Spirit worked primarily within the Church, whereas the Word (Christ) worked within the whole of creation.
Okay, so you've now offered some information from some early fathers that says nothing about gibberish tongues being a gift of the spirit. I think I can rest my case as far as history. This new tongues introduced in the 1900s is an anomaly as far as church history is concerned. Apparently no one who had read the gospels or Paul's writings ever came to the same conclusion you have. Tertulian nor Origen nor any others believed in this kind of tongues.

This strengthens my case that belief in new modern tongues is solely based on experience.

You've asserted gibberish tongues are a sign for today.
Support:

In the bible it was a nominative in the Word of God that was recorded in Acts and seen there in the Word of God repeatedly and the Holy Spirit is still active in the world today saving. God still is saving, calling, healing, and providing the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives as HE sees fit.
Again, no support for this new view of modern tongues. And biblical tongues, you would probably agree with me, is not going on today. I don't think the bible precludes it from happening today, but we just don't see it manifested as a gift in modern church. And all charismatics seem to agree with me on this, none of them attempt biblical tongues, nor even ask for it.

You've asserted gibberish tongues were prophesied to be mocked.
Support:

I did not say that, what I did say is "Mockers were well documented and Jesus said they would come." ...
Yes but you made this assertion after I and others had refuted the validity of modern non-intelligible tongues. This means you are applying this verse to anyone that sees biblical problems with this type of tongues. Personally, I think you should show a little grace in that regard. We're just talking this through and brothers.

But I do have to maintain my belief that modern tongues is solely based on experience, having no biblical support.

Grace and peace.
 

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Okay, so you've now offered some information from some early fathers that says nothing about gibberish tongues being a gift of the spirit. I think I can rest my case as far as history. This new tongues introduced in the 1900s is an anomaly as far as church history is concerned. Apparently no one who had read the gospels or Paul's writings ever came to the same conclusion you have. Tertulian nor Origen nor any others believed in this kind of tongues.

This strengthens my case that belief in new modern tongues is solely based on experience.



Again, no support for this new view of modern tongues. And biblical tongues, you would probably agree with me, is not going on today. I don't think the bible precludes it from happening today, but we just don't see it manifested as a gift in modern church. And all charismatics seem to agree with me on this, none of them attempt biblical tongues, nor even ask for it.



Yes but you made this assertion after I and others had refuted the validity of modern non-intelligible tongues. This means you are applying this verse to anyone that sees biblical problems with this type of tongues. Personally, I think you should show a little grace in that regard. We're just talking this through and brothers.

But I do have to maintain my belief that modern tongues is solely based on experience, having no biblical support.

Grace and peace.
again I only see your response. I have provided scripture and answered the question you have asked. The Proof for modern Gifts of the Holy Spirit in the Authoritative work of God. you really think it is about you my friend first you suggest that you were threaten. again you come with no proof just your opinion which is fine but the standard should be the Word of God. And I have provided the information from the Gospels, Book of Acts, and 1Cor 12, 13, 14 that the Bible says the Gift of the Holy Spirit were then and now for us. I have looked at your responses respectfully, and I do see a lot of you, but no bible. those who read this post will see and make a decision on what they believe the Word of God says . IS salvation for today? Yes :) is God the same today, yesterday, and forever? Yes. are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for today according to the scriptures? yes. post , pre, modern , apostolic, Persecuted, New and Old Testament the Holy Spirit has empowered His people well documented in the bible and other church writings . That has not changed. you chose to focus of just tongues because of your own reasons. that is ok appreciate your last statement :

"But I do have to maintain my belief that modern tongues is solely based on experience, having no biblical support"

it is your belief....
 
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I will make this short and simple. ( 1 cor 14:2) How can you fake God out in an unknown tongue is beyond me.( 1 cor 14:14-18) One day in our church service before starting out,some of us were praying for the service in the spirit( an unknown tongue) An unbeliever came in and sat down by me, I was not praying loud in the Spirit of course, but i could be heard. After about a min of so,I must have spoken something in Spanish that this unbeliever heard?

He got up went to the middle of the isle and gave his life to Jesus right there and then?? He came to me and asked me if I knew what I had spoke? I said i have no idea,I was praying in an unknown tongue to the Lord.He said you spoke some Spanish and said Jesus loves me and that his arms were always open to receive me!Praise the Lord I said! wow

( 2 cor 2:20-22), 2 cor 2:14-17) I know there are some who do not believe,or have spoken that this time as ended, but as my brother CS1 has pointed out( 2 cor 1:20) is indeed true! I and many others here are proof of that. hehe The key to receiving anything from our Jesus is believing,that everything he has ever spoken or done has been made established in you.

Many look to place limits upon our Jesus,and by the limits you place,you either receive or cut yourself off from what he has already given,and promised.So the ball is in your court, believe him or not. I sure will not judge! I already know for myself! blessing all!
 

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I will make this short and simple. ( 1 cor 14:2) How can you fake God out in an unknown tongue is beyond me.( 1 cor 14:14-18) One day in our church service before starting out,some of us were praying for the service in the spirit( an unknown tongue) An unbeliever came in and sat down by me, I was not praying loud in the Spirit of course, but i could be heard. After about a min of so,I must have spoken something in Spanish that this unbeliever heard?

He got up went to the middle of the isle and gave his life to Jesus right there and then?? He came to me and asked me if I knew what I had spoke? I said i have no idea,I was praying in an unknown tongue to the Lord.He said you spoke some Spanish and said Jesus loves me and that his arms were always open to receive me!Praise the Lord I said! wow

( 2 cor 2:20-22), 2 cor 2:14-17) I know there are some who do not believe,or have spoken that this time as ended, but as my brother CS1 has pointed out( 2 cor 1:20) is indeed true! I and many others here are proof of that. hehe The key to receiving anything from our Jesus is believing,that everything he has ever spoken or done has been made established in you.

Many look to place limits upon our Jesus,and by the limits you place,you either receive or cut yourself off from what he has already given,and promised.So the ball is in your court, believe him or not. I sure will not judge! I already know for myself! blessing all!
Brother brighthouse we do overcome by the Blood of the lamb and the word of out testimony.
 

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the signs and giftings there available to believers , but like in john jesus did not perform many miracles because of unbelief now adays we see the miracles hault because of the peoples unbelief , we hear about the charismatic barking and animal noises but no one there to discern that these are manifestations of an unclean prescense that should be cast out for God does not witness to animals but only humans for salvation is for mankind
 
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the signs and giftings there available to believers , but like in john jesus did not perform many miracles because of unbelief now adays we see the miracles hault because of the peoples unbelief , we hear about the charismatic barking and animal noises but no one there to discern that these are manifestations of an unclean prescense that should be cast out for God does not witness to animals but only humans for salvation is for mankind
I'll just point out this and let it speak for itself. God did bear witness through an animal and I'll just leave it at that.
The Angel and Balaam's Donkey
22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. 23And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way. 24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side. 25And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again. 26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face. 32And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me: 33And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive. 34And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again. 35And the angel of the LORD said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shalt speak. So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.
36And when Balak heard that Balaam was come, he went out to meet him unto a city of Moab, which is in the border of Arnon, which is in the utmost coast. 37And Balak said unto Balaam, Did I not earnestly send unto thee to call thee? wherefore camest thou not unto me? am I not able indeed to promote thee to honour? 38And Balaam said unto Balak, Lo, I am come unto thee: have I now any power at all to say any thing? the word that God putteth in my mouth, that shall I speak. 39And Balaam went with Balak, and they came unto Kirjathhuzoth. 40And Balak offered oxen and sheep, and sent to Balaam, and to the princes that were with him.
41And it came to pass on the morrow, that Balak took Balaam, and brought him up into the high places of Baal, that thence he might see the utmost part of the people.
 
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I will make this short and simple. ( 1 cor 14:2) How can you fake God out in an unknown tongue is beyond me.( 1 cor 14:14-18) One day in our church service before starting out,some of us were praying for the service in the spirit( an unknown tongue) An unbeliever came in and sat down by me, I was not praying loud in the Spirit of course, but i could be heard. After about a min of so,I must have spoken something in Spanish that this unbeliever heard?

He got up went to the middle of the isle and gave his life to Jesus right there and then?? He came to me and asked me if I knew what I had spoke? I said i have no idea,I was praying in an unknown tongue to the Lord.He said you spoke some Spanish and said Jesus loves me and that his arms were always open to receive me!Praise the Lord I said! wow

( 2 cor 2:20-22), 2 cor 2:14-17) I know there are some who do not believe,or have spoken that this time as ended, but as my brother CS1 has pointed out( 2 cor 1:20) is indeed true! I and many others here are proof of that. hehe The key to receiving anything from our Jesus is believing,that everything he has ever spoken or done has been made established in you.

Many look to place limits upon our Jesus,and by the limits you place,you either receive or cut yourself off from what he has already given,and promised.So the ball is in your court, believe him or not. I sure will not judge! I already know for myself! blessing all!
This story of your proves scripture to be true. I have also heard other stories such as this and I believe they are also true.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe , but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe .
 
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I hope I am not taking this in a different direction, just going by the heading of the post ~ False tongues and are you being deceived. Not too long ago, I had an experience regarding the speaking of tongues within an online ministry in which I was active in at the time and it's pastor, and I have really been wanting to relieve my mind of this with other Christians. Allow me to make 1 thing clear it WAS NOT this ministry. I thought he was speaking in tongues, because the wording made no sense in the English language which is all I understand. After praying about it for a couple weeks, I could not come to any belief or understanding of what he said and had to leave it in God's hands. I understand that the first occurrence of speaking tongues is in Acts 2:1-4, on the day of Pentecost, when the apostles shared the gospel with the crowds, speaking to them in their own "languages". Paul was declaring the wonders of God ~Acts 2:11 "We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!". I only know English, so why would a bunch of mixed up letters be presented and left for me to unravel or interpret alone? The Greek word translated tongues literally means "languages", therefore, the gift of tongues is speaking in a language in order to minister to that person in their language. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:6 "Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?" What this person said, was of no instruction according to God's Word. 1Corinthians 14:13 ~ "For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says". I have been a believer all of my life, and I was saved in 1985, so the scripture in 1Corinthians 14:22 would not even have applied in this incidence; "a sign to unbelievers". Finally, "If anyone speaks in a tongue, two - or at the most three - should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God"~1Corinthians 14:27-28. "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints"1Corinthians 14:33.