Fasting

JosephsDreams · May 3, 2016

While I do agree that a water fast is ideal, a vegetable juice fast is something that can accomplish a lot too.
I am not saying your dogmatic about this, you may or may not be, but remember that not every can water fast. Because of health reasons, or lack of discipline, or maybe because they don't understand the biblical principals fully.
So while I do believe a water fast is the gold standard, God will honor a persons contrite sincere and genuine effort.

JosephsDreams · May 3, 2016

wwjd_kilden said:

If one is "fasting" with vitamins and supplements, it is not a fast, not in the spirit of what a fast is.
As far as most doctors, it has improved, but even today, they have very little education in school about food and nutrition. None about fasting, as far as I know. They have about an average of 10 hours of schooling on nutrition in the whole time they are in med school. Its not their fault they don't know much about it.
This is why they fasted the guy with vitamins and supplements. It lines up with their perspective's in the way they are trained. Ignorance is a tool of satan.

I would suggest everyone interested in why doctors today are lacking so in knowledge about food, homeopathic and naturopathic, and herbal remedies listen to the video in the conspiracy thread posted by spherical. I think spherical is misguided on his thoughts about the flat earth, but him posting this video, outside of the things of God on this site, might be the most important video any of you see all year.
It is long, almost two hours, Maybe watch it in 30 minute segments...but well, well, worth it.
I do holistic health counseling for a living. Have been into it for 23 years. I knew most of what was on that video, but there were more then a few things that I did not know, and it is stunning.
It will be paradigm changing for most of you.
Maybe the most important thing about this video is that it is produced and done by a Christian man. And it lines up with things spoken of in the bible, and Gods principals and word.

ember · May 3, 2016

if someone is in hospital because they are morbidly obese, that is not a 'spiritual' fast anyway, so under a doctor's care, whatever supplements are given are ok

if most of us fasted for a year, we would ....disappear LOL!

seriously though, trying to loose weight has nothing to do with what the Bible calls a fast

JosephsDreams · May 3, 2016

garee said:

Hi Ladybug

My two cents.

I hope you can bear with me .My grammar suffers. I apoligize in advance for the rambling.

I am no expert but fasting from my own experience and searching the scriptures is one of those things that are easily misunderstood. This is especially true I believe if a person does not have a proper understanding of how and why God used the temporal law as ceremonial or ritual pertaining to the flesh .

The apostate Jews through the oral tradition of their fathers were constantly changing the requirements of the fast. Therefore making the word of God to no effect, as Christ nemesis .

Like all the ceremonial laws set forth as parables..... they speak of the suffering of Christ beforehand, the spiritual meaning is hid.

Fasting as something we do outwardly is in a spiritual way used represents forgiveness from God. (the eternal not seen) The purpose of the fast is to glorify Him not seen.. Our work of fasting is a shadow that points to the spiritual work of God.

Afflicting our souls although required, it is not source for loosening the bonds of the father of lies. The gospel of Christ alone is. Those who say otherwise, the scriptures inform us in the end they have received their reward

Again the purpose of a fast is to show we have been forgiven as we offer them as the word of which worked in us caused the forgiveness (the gospel of hearing by faith)

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. Mat 6:14

Our fast therefore is not unto ourselves. Put like prayer we go into our closets or private place in a hope that God will likewise forgive others when we offer the gospel of our salvation.

It I believe is why the disciples could not cast out the lying spirits, as demons.. Both prayer and fasting. With prayer being something we can do and fasting as something God does to loosen the bonds of sin.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by “nothing”, but by prayer and fasting.

The doctrine of fasting seems to have its roots our foundation in “manna” as to how it is used and what it respects spiritually in the book of Exodus.. Which when the word manna is defined simply means ; “what is it”? To represent something that is not of our own selves like the scriptures, our daily bread, the living will of God.

Exodus 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: “for they wist not what it was”. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

On the sixth day they were to gather twice as much so they could fast on the Sabbath which represented the eternal rest we have by walking by faith. God had set aside that day so that men did not have to do their regular work of a gathering manna . It did not mean they could do no work whatsoever just the work of feeding ourselves according to the work of gathering manna.

And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. Exo 16:22

The one person used as an negative example when he gathered sticks I believe was not faulted for working but the sticks were more to be used to bake or possibly heat up the mana from the previous days. Some liked it hot perhaps. Whatever it was it was unauthorized fire sort of like when Aaron's sons when they changed the a offering by strange fire and they were also killed as example of what not to do.. .

And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. Num 15:32

The Jewish apostate fathers again performed that through an oral tradition of men (Christ nemesis). and turned it into an opportunity to make it about the flesh by adding addition requirements .Like the Sabbath walk giving it a distance which was up for grabs depending on which father the persons were measuring that kind of by and through. . (again Christ nemesis)

This was again as if the Sabbath was designed for a person, not to move, and a person should just rest up for the regular work needed to feed their bodies that will die. .. That I do not believe would describe the Sabbath rest we do have in Christ, as a rest from our own work we performed during the 6 days.. it would show they were not mixing faith in what they did hear.

They did that with many of the ceremonial laws that were required but again where used as parables in respect to the eternal substance not seen, the faith principle. I

It would be kind of like today putting requirements on what we could eat or how many times on the Sabbath would be acceptable by the fathers the leaders or how much is required or possibly adding some nutrition by adding it to water. .
The true fast does not reflect something we could do called a dead works .But rather the forgiveness we already have in Christ . As we offer the gospel by prayer that he will apply to the hearts of the hearer, the bond can be lifted , as the demons are cast out.

The primary reason of a fast is to deepen the connection and communication with God.
Can we ask for things while fasting: yes. Will God answer? Sometimes. If it lines up with Gods word and His visions in our life, God will honor that. Maybe not how we perceive, or when, but He will honor it.
If we ask with a sincere and unselfish heart, even if it does not always line up, God will honor that.
Fasting will, from my experience, shift our perceptions of certain things in our lives. It can be a catapult of releasing us from certain strongholds.
It can be a experience in which changes our emotional and spiritual outlook on some issues, forever.

john832 · May 3, 2016

Breanna said:

Your understanding is correct. If one looks at the examples of scripture, those fasting neither ate nor drank...

Ezr 10:6 Then Ezra rose up from before the house of God, and went into the chamber of Jehohanan the son of Eliashib; and when he came there, he ate no bread and drank no water, for he mourned because of the guilt of those from the captivity.

Est 4:15 Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai:
Est 4:16 "Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. My maids and I will fast likewise. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!"

Act 9:8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus.
Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

And hornetguy in his post made a very important remark, "And, personally, I've never been "called" to fast. It's always been a conscious decision I've made, for various reasons."

We choose to fast to draw close to God. A wise man once told me that we do not fast to get God to see things our way, we fast to see things God's way...

Isa 58:6 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen: To loose the bonds of wickedness, To undo the heavy burdens, To let the oppressed go free, And that you break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry, And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out; When you see the naked, that you cover him, And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning, Your healing shall spring forth speedily, And your righteousness shall go before you; The glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard.
Isa 58:9 Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; You shall cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.' "If you take away the yoke from your midst, The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,
Isa 58:10 If you extend your soul to the hungry And satisfy the afflicted soul, Then your light shall dawn in the darkness, And your darkness shall be as the noonday.
Isa 58:11 The LORD will guide you continually, And satisfy your soul in drought, And strengthen your bones; You shall be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.
Isa 58:12 Those from among you Shall build the old waste places; You shall raise up the foundations of many generations; And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach, The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In.

ember · May 3, 2016

JosephsDreams said:

1“Shout it aloud, do not hold back.
Raise your voice like a trumpet.
Declare to my people their rebellion
and to the descendants of Jacob their sins.

2For day after day they seek me out;
they seem eager to know my ways,
as if they were a nation that does what is right
and has not forsaken the commands of its God.
They ask me for just decisions
and seem eager for God to come near them.

3‘Why have we fasted,’ they say,
‘and you have not seen it?
Why have we humbled ourselves,
and you have not noticed?’

“Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
and exploit all your workers.

4Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife,
and in striking each other with wicked fists.
You cannot fast as you do today
and expect your voice to be heard on high.

5Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
only a day for people to humble themselves?
Is it only for bowing one’s head like a reed
and for lying in sackcloth and ashes?
Is that what you call a fast,
a day acceptable to the Lord?

6“Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?

7Is it not to share your food with the hungry
and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
when you see the naked, to clothe them,
and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?

8Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your healing will quickly appear;
then your righteousness[SUP]a[/SUP] will go before you,
and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.

9Then you will call, and the Lord will answer;
you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.

Isaiah

Demi777 · May 4, 2016

Breanna said:

Fasting is very important acturly. Praying and fasting.
you dont eat from sunrise to sunset and no meat just healthy stuff.
Its to humble our sould because the sping of the spirit is in our stomache
[h=3]Psalm 69:10[/h]When I wept and humbled my soul with fasting, it became my reproach.
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Its also a Telegram to put things before the Lords throne
[h=3]Ezra 8:23[/h]So we fasted and implored our God for this, and he listened to our entreaty.
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Disciplining your body

[h=3]1 Corinthians 9:27[/h]But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
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And for spiritual deliverance...
Mark 9:29
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

And Jesus said when you fast..not if you fast

[h=3]Matthew 6:16[/h]“And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

I hope I didnt forget anything God bless you

garee · May 4, 2016

Amen and if I could add my two cents

Fasting as to its roots represents not eating manna on one day of the week, the Sabbath. It is a day that God has given us to rest from the work we need to feed these bodies of death. This so we we can work to bring the gospel to the fatherless, in respect to our heavenly father, and widows ,those who do not have a relationship with Christ our husband. It is the kind of religion God accepts according to James below.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

The day was not set aside just to inflict our souls and hope God would notice how religious we are but as you did say to deepen the connection and communication with God. And as we offer the gospel in a hope it will deepen their understanding in the same way.It can loosen our bonds to sin from certain strong hold as we hope it does with those who we offering our bread in respect to His will.

This would be in respect to the true fast that you offered in respect to parable Isaiah 58,.iI is the kind of fast the disciples did not know of and therefore could not cast out the lying spirits as demons.

The language used their in that parable reflects the water by the word, the gospel of our salvation.This is needed in order to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke. Our yoke with Christ makes it possible.

It satisfies our thirst for hearing God in a hope it provides the water of the word to others

The LORD will guide you continually, And satisfy your soul in drought, And strengthen your bones; You shall be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. (the word of God, our daily bread that falls as manna from the sky ) Those from among you Shall build the old waste places; You shall raise up the foundations of many generations; And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach, The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In. Isa 58:11-12

jasonj · May 4, 2016

wwjd_kilden said:

As others have mentioned: The idea of fast is to deny the flesh and focus on God.

So, in out modern world, that technically means you can "fast" on internet, tv, cell phones etc.

Also, remember that the ways the Jews normally fasted, they did eat between sunset and sunrise

Fasting & Fast Days | Jewish Virtual Library

Ordinary fast days lasted for the duration of the daylight hours; the important fasts were a full 24 hours. Fasts were held either for one day or sometimes for a series of three or seven days; occasionally even daily for a continued period
(...)
The Bible emphasizes that the fast is not an end in itself but only a means through which man can humble his heart and repent for his sins; his repentance must manifest itself in his deeds (Joel 2:13; Jonah 3:8). The idea is especially stressed in Isaiah (58:3ff.) where the contrast is made between a fast which is not accompanied by any real repentance, and which is therefore unacceptable to God, and the true fast which leads to God's merciful forgiveness: "Is not this the fast that I have chosen? To loose the fetters of wickedness, To undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free… Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him… Then shalt thou call, and the Lord will answer."

This is true fasting what u said

Magenta · May 4, 2016

PurerInHeart said:

Daniel 10:3 speaks of a partial fast.

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