Fight the good fight of faith
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What you will find is this side step.
We have overcome the world by being in the world still sinning yet in Gods eyes
redeemed.
Now to me this theology is just deceived double speak.
It is like taking every verse that applies to victory or not being defeated and saying
though one is defeated because Christ was not, we are not.
This is where reality and just words part company.
I just do not understand people who can claim so much yet be defeated so simply.
We have overcome the world by being in the world still sinning yet in Gods eyes
redeemed.
Now to me this theology is just deceived double speak.
It is like taking every verse that applies to victory or not being defeated and saying
though one is defeated because Christ was not, we are not.
This is where reality and just words part company.
I just do not understand people who can claim so much yet be defeated so simply.
Kinda funny in a weird sort of way. 
I was laughing at the ridiculousness of the accusation.
Reminds me of this
Does morality work in all situations?
To my mind the whole point about morality is it works in all situations, or it is
just situational ethics.
Jesus called us to a morality that works no matter where we are, with reference
to God and the truth. He opposed those who compromised with sin because they
were the chosen, but rather you had to have a clean heart and walk in reality.
In an odd way, by making the pharisees ones enemies, yet doing exactly the same
thing does not free people from the same judgement of deceit and failure.
Now it is fine if people honestly fail and know why, and work it through, but to ignore
it and say any attempt to deal with sin is self DIY salvation is just insane.
If I get angry at someone it is ok to murder them because Jesus let it happen.
If I dealt with the anger, confessed it, let the Lords love flow, that is self sorting things
out so is evil.
Now the pharisees used the same approach because they never dealt with the
heart. Now we know who deals with the heart, because it is all those who agree with
my proposition, and those who have not and cannot oppose it, and stand condemned
by the Lord whatever their claim in their faith.
To my mind the whole point about morality is it works in all situations, or it is
just situational ethics.
Jesus called us to a morality that works no matter where we are, with reference
to God and the truth. He opposed those who compromised with sin because they
were the chosen, but rather you had to have a clean heart and walk in reality.
In an odd way, by making the pharisees ones enemies, yet doing exactly the same
thing does not free people from the same judgement of deceit and failure.
Now it is fine if people honestly fail and know why, and work it through, but to ignore
it and say any attempt to deal with sin is self DIY salvation is just insane.
If I get angry at someone it is ok to murder them because Jesus let it happen.
If I dealt with the anger, confessed it, let the Lords love flow, that is self sorting things
out so is evil.
Now the pharisees used the same approach because they never dealt with the
heart. Now we know who deals with the heart, because it is all those who agree with
my proposition, and those who have not and cannot oppose it, and stand condemned
by the Lord whatever their claim in their faith.
Yes, in past discussions he has stated that a Christian sinning is no Christian at all (my summation). Just today he made this statement.
The issue here is not about being born again, but those who only "imagine" themselves as being born again. With no spiritual rebirth, there is no true conversion, no overcoming sin, the Devil, or the ways of the world, no purging process of bringing ones thoughts into the obedience of Christ. If one is still sinning then according to the words of God, they are not truly born of God. Pretty simple test to prove oneself. (emphasis added)
