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Simply post a scripture or two and your interpretation . I'll start off with:
Gal 3: 24 Wherefore, the law was our task schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
To be brought to Christ, you have to repent. The law makes us aware of wrong doing so that when the Father grants repentance, the person turns to Christ for forgiveness.
Gal 3: 25 But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Once you are Christ's, your motivation changes from love of self to love of God first and love for everyone else as you love yourself second. We will be obeying the Spirit of the Law and will have no need for the Letter of the Law because all our thoughts and actions will be motivated by Love. Christ gave us the two greatest commandments on which all other commandments are based.
 
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John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
How important is it to understand the Trinity? To those that claim that the Trinity is a mystery beyond our understanding, from a brother who loves you, you had better do a better job of investigating before giving up and declaring " It's a mystery." Knowing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the basis for understanding Scripture. Jesus is the Christ, and Christ is our Lord, our God, and our Savior, but the Father is the One God of all (including Christ).
 
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Eph 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
Christ is not Jesus' last name. Jesus the Christ would be more accurate. Christ is the Father's son before He became Jesus, because Christ's spirit proceedeth from the Father's spirit before anything was made. The Father has no beginning, but the beginning started when Christ came into existence with His own spirit and mind. Christ sits on the Father's right hand which means that all that the Father wants is accomplished by Christ. The Father communicates and empowers Christ through His Spirit. The Father created all things and accomplished all things through Christ. They share a special love that we can't fathom until we are born again and share in that love. It is the Father that blesses us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ because when we are born again, we become part of Christ's spiritual body due to the indwelling of the Spirit of the Father which was given to Jesus when He went back to Heaven to get glorified (filled with the Father's Spirit). As part of Christ's spiritual body, we will be partakers of all the spiritual blessings which will be given Him by the Father.
 
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Hebrews 1: 5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence. The Father and Son are One in that whatever the Father wants, the Son wants also. The Son's will might differ from the Father, but the Son gladly acquiesces to the will of the Father. When Christ became a man, the essence of God the Father, through which Mary's seed was fertilized, again resulted in Christ being born but this time as a human. The Father and Son relationship occurs a second time.
 
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You should stop "interpreting" Scripture and just believe what it says.
Interpreting Scripture is what leads to so much false teaching that is prominent in the religious world today.
 
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You should stop "interpreting" Scripture and just believe what it says.
Interpreting Scripture is what leads to so much false teaching that is prominent in the religious world today.
Read my message to you on the thread " Who are members of Jesus' family and who will He save?" post # 25.
 
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Concerning the Sabbath: What everyone is not understanding is that we are living in the Sabbath. Does God need a day to rest? He has unlimited power. His day of rest meant that He was done with creating and now rested to see history unfold. Exodus 16:23-29 explains how the Sabbath started. It is part of the Jewish tradition of the Mosaic Law that Christ gave to Moses for His people. We as Christians are not bound to this tradition. We as Christians should live everyday with God on our mind and in our hearts. Of course gathering together as Christians has its advantages and serves its purposes, but we are living on the Sabbath and everyday is Holy.
 

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We read the Word in prayer and await the revelations by the Holy Spirit. We learn nothing without Him.
 
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Matt 26: 39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt. John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will but the will of Him that sent me. From these verses we can see that the Father and the Son have different wills although the Son subjugates His will and obeys the Father's will. Christ is the God who is active in both the Old and New Testament and fulfills the Father's will.
Exodus 6: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Christ appeared to them in the name of the Father but His name is Jehovah. It was the Father that appeared in Spirit because Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and and the Father's Spirit talks through Christ ( JEHOVAH) (who is also a spirit).

Christ is our Savior, our Lord, and our God, but the Father is the father and God of all. Christ died for all mankind and wishes that all be saved but the Father's justice demands that only a few be saved.
 
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God has always existed. He has no beginning and no end. He transcends time, is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, just, and merciful. He can be described as an essence that permeates everywhere and possesses a mind, heart, and soul. Eph 4: 6 There is...One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The Father and Christ are two seperate entities. The Father is a thinking, emotional, logical, and willful spiritual essence that transcends space, time, and dimensions entirely. All things consist of Him and He has always existed. The beginning starts when out of this essence proceeded a being with His own mind and with the qualities of the Father such as the Father's will, emotions, logic, and understanding. This being is referred to as the Word, the Son of God, The Father's right hand, the Son of Man ( when He became a human), Jehovah ( in the Old Testament), Jesus, and the Christ. This being, which we will call Christ, is the Spiritual body of the Father because He is full of the Father's glory ( which is the Father's essence) through which the Father communicates His will and gives the power to achieve it. Christ sits at the Father's right hand because the Father created all things both spiritual and physical through Christ. That makes Christ both Lord and the God of all creation. Deut 4 : 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord, he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else.
 
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Christ died for all mankind and wishes that all be saved but the Father's justice demands that only a few be saved. If He saves all, there is no justice because we are all condemned already and sin would have to be allowed in heaven which means that He would no longer be sovereign. If He condemns all, He would be merciless. To show His mercy, He saves a few by baptizing them in His name by bestowing on them the state of being of repentance for their sins so that the sinner turns to Him for forgiveness.The Father in turn uses different means to bring him the knowledge of forgiveness of sins through Christ. Christ then baptizes the repentant sinner in His name by bestowing on him the faith needed to believe in His work on the cross for the forgiveness of his sins and in the name of the Holy Spirit when the cleansed but still sinful sinner gets perfected. He gets filled with the Spiritual essence of the Father and the Son who fill his heart with the divine love necessary to obey the Spirit of the Law given by Christ which is to love God first and everyone else as he loves himself.
 
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John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The Holy Spirit of God allows us to understand His truth. Once this truth is revealed to someone, it is natural for that person to want to reveal it to others. Of course, everyone thinks that they have the truth and everyone should be bold enough to share their truth. Salvation comes through the foolishness of preaching and those that are destined to believe the truth will. You cannot force anyone to believe your truth. All that we can do is to present it and let the Holy Spirit of God touch the hearts and mind of those who will receive it.
 
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The Heart
Gen 6: 5 The heart has thoughts and imagination
Dan 6: 14 The heart has motivation or direction
Gen 6: 6 The heart grieves
Gen 8: 21, 24: 45 The heart speaks to itself
Gen 18: 5 The heart can be comforted
Gen 45: 26 The heart can faint
Exod 4: 14 The heart can be glad
Exod 4: 21 The heart can be hardened ( made firm or unchanging)
Exod 25: 2 The heart has a will
Exod 31: 6 The heart can be wise
Num 32: 7 The heart can be discouraged
Deut 29:4 The heart can perceive
1 Sam 4: 13 The heart can be fearful

Conclusion: The heart is the consciousness that is in every being.
 
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Num 16: 22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be angry with all the congregation?
Num 16: 22
All men are born with a spirit that resides in their heart. It is this spirit that motivates his thoughts and actions. When a person receives the Holy Spirit of God, his thoughts and actions are motivated by divine love for God first and mankind second and a desire to please the Father and search for His truths. This change in motivation from love of self is what occurs when a person is born again. This is how we get perfected. God will not charge anyone of sin when the motivation is love for Him first and for his fellow man second. As a matter of fact, as 1Cor 13 explains, nothing one does counts for anything unless done with love. That is how we walk in the Spirit and obey the Spirit of the Law on which the Letter of the Law is based. One needs to be baptized in the name of the Father (chosen or predestined) who grants the repentance (state of being) needed to turn to God for forgiveness, baptized in the name of the Son ( to erase committed sins) when the person believes in the work of Christ on the cross. Christ then baptizes the person in the name of the Holy Spirit when the Spirit of the Father and the Son enters the heart and perfects the person by filling him with divine love. There is only one baptism because there is only one process to salvation which starts with the Baptism in the Name of the Father. None of these baptisms are done by man.
 

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You should stop "interpreting" Scripture and just believe what it says.
Interpreting Scripture is what leads to so much false teaching that is prominent in the religious world today.
amen to that ! scripture already interprets itself if we don’t pluck it from context. This thread really highlights the issue you spoke of
 

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Eph 1: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
The Father's Spirit through Jesus helps us understand that we are called by the Father and as part of Jesus' glorified body will inherit all the love and blessings given to Jesus. Just as in Jewish history the firstborn son received ( inherited ) the blessing of the father as well as a special place in the father's heart, Christ, as the Father's first born, and those that make up His spiritual body will inherit the Father's blessings and love.
 

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John 6: 29 Jesus answered, and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.
Believing ( faith ) is the
work of God. It is He that initiates and completes the faith that is needed for salvation.
 

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amen to that ! scripture already interprets itself if we don’t pluck it from context. This thread really highlights the issue you spoke of
1 Cor 2: 14-16 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 

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Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him.
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence (the Holy Spirit).
 
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Our (saved Christians) relationship to Christ is analogous to Christ's relationship to the Father. Christ has a free will, loves and obeys the Father, and is filled with the Father's Spirit. We (saved Christians) have a free will, love and obey Christ, and are filled with Christ's Spirit. To love and obey Christ is to love and obey the Father. Christ's two greatest commandment is to first love the Father with all your mind, heart, and soul, and the second is to love everyone else as you love yourself. Being born again is a
state of being. We are born again when we receive the Spirit of the Father and Son who change our motivation for every thought and action from love of self to love of God and others.