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Blain

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I thank you for the encouragement. Although I seek no rewords for what I do for HaShem, He has already paid the ultimate price for me, what more can we ask? The only thing we can do, is follow Him, and work to better the lives of others. Though we have no power to change a persons heart, we can at lest show them the way. After that it s up to them.
You may not ask for anything but you ask what more can you ask for? Anything
The cross and resurrection the born again grafting into the kingdom are you aware exactly what that entails?

The very idea that we are grafted into a kingdom not our own where we were once beggers and starngers now raised into a postion of royalty authority and made kings and qeens in his kingdom.

That alone is porofund if you consider the king and queen aspect all that comes with that let alone the priesthood he covers our heads in.

We can ask anything of of him all so we can bring it forward to him tenfold all so we can bless each other and all the starving poor world in spirit.

the riches and blessings that come when you understand this part and then walk forward in his kingdom as such you naturally begin to understand the deeper peeps the truth within the turh the kingdom of God the glory that is in it how it lights your spirit with it's golden aray the kingdom is coming and those who dare to take that step forward with him who dare to see just how far he can really take us what it really means to believe and walk in spirit and truth the amount of blessings he gives for a steward of his kingdom is beyond words.

The kingdom of God is at hand and sson enough he will show the world why his name is above all names and his chsoen ones the ones who heard the call and chose to listen will bring it forth

For he searches the world for such children many are called few are chosen but the chosen are called the chosen because they heard the call and did not ignore it it activated them.
 

Rainrider

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I guess you'd have to have a sense of humor.
Trust me, I understand humor, both dark, and light. I also understand that to make light of something that can only be made manifest by HaShem, isn't something one should wish to answer for. Remember Balaam?
 

ResidentAlien

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Trust me, I understand humor, both dark, and light. I also understand that to make light of something that can only be made manifest by HaShem, isn't something one should wish to answer for. Remember Balaam?
Great, another Judaizer.
 

Rainrider

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You may not ask for anything but you ask what more can you ask for? Anything
The cross and resurrection the born again grafting into the kingdom are you aware exactly what that entails?

The very idea that we are grafted into a kingdom not our own where we were once beggers and starngers now raised into a postion of royalty authority and made kings and qeens in his kingdom.

That alone is porofund if you consider the king and queen aspect all that comes with that let alone the priesthood he covers our heads in.

We can ask anything of of him all so we can bring it forward to him tenfold all so we can bless each other and all the starving poor world in spirit.

the riches and blessings that come when you understand this part and then walk forward in his kingdom as such you naturally begin to understand the deeper peeps the truth within the turh the kingdom of God the glory that is in it how it lights your spirit with it's golden aray the kingdom is coming and those who dare to take that step forward with him who dare to see just how far he can really take us what it really means to believe and walk in spirit and truth the amount of blessings he gives for a steward of his kingdom is beyond words.

The kingdom of God is at hand and sson enough he will show the world why his name is above all names and his chsoen ones the ones who heard the call and chose to listen will bring it forth

For he searches the world for such children many are called few are chosen but the chosen are called the chosen because they heard the call and did not ignore it it activated them.
I do understand what it means to be grafted into the chosen people. I also know full well that as a gentile, the heavenly temple has a place for us. Though it is the outer court, and not once in the Word are we ever told we will be priest. That is held for the line of Arron, as HaShem said in His word, It will not pass from them.
As for me, I need nothing more from Him, than what He has already given as a promise in His Word. I don't need treasure, crowns, glory, or a place of leadership. I am happy being His servant, no mater what is asked. Even if that means I simply wash feet, or shine shoes. If it is a job He needs done, move a side and let me at it. I have after all given my life, soul, and mind to Him.
Obediance doesn't come only when one thinks they will gain from it. It comes from loving, and faithfulness. To try and give it any other way, only leads to one deceiving themself.
 

Rainrider

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back to the topic of salvation. When we first see this word used, it is by Jacob, (ie) Israel. in Gen.49:18. When read in most english translations, it seems that Jacob is asking for himself. However as the words spoken before this are being addressed to Dan, most follow that Jacob was trusting HaShem to lead Dan to salvation. The sages, (keep in mind I may not agree with this) have this to say. This is not word for word, though you should find their ideas in-tacked.
This was seen as pointing toward Samson. In that Samson would hold Israel, it's future, and his own power in his words, and actions. Down to his last prayer, witch some say came from the words of Jacob upon closing the blessing he gave to Dan.
Now I understand that salvation can mean many things, or should we use the wording, can hold meaning for both here on earth, as well the spiritual. On earth we ask to be delivered from this or that problem, saved from what ever is bring us down.
However, we must all find our own path, and in doing so, we must understand what we seek. as an old trapper, I learned that one can truly find their per-furred fur in their trap, unlesss they understand said animal. To understand said animal, one must study it up close, and really get to know and understand it. If not, there is no telling what they may find in the end.
Knowing HaShem is easy, He gives us what we need. We can track Him from beginning to end. See His hand in every passage, and find Him in places some would never think to look. Trust this, many will be turned away, even though they claim to know him. Sadly the beast will look so much like Him, may will follow the beast.
If you are following this, please keep in mind, I am not trying to change your heart, nor the way one studies. i am simply doing my best to open the eyes of the blind, so they may see the truth, and seek a full understanding of Him, His Word, and His Son.
 

Rainrider

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Great, another Judaizer.
If you hold such distain for the teachings here, you are free to move on. If not for the Jewish people, you would not have salvation open to you. sadly your intent to insult others, has only shown a heart of antisemitism. Something that is void of love, wisdom, or understanding. I do pray that you will find the true unconditional love we are called on to walk in someday. It will change your life. Also, please keep in mind, Rom.1:16, Rom.2:9-10. He came for the Jew first. And also, Rom. 11:26 all Israel will be saved. And just for the full truth, lets add Gen. 12:3 i will bless them that bless you, and curse them that curse you.
 

Cameron143

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If you hold such distain for the teachings here, you are free to move on. If not for the Jewish people, you would not have salvation open to you. sadly your intent to insult others, has only shown a heart of antisemitism. Something that is void of love, wisdom, or understanding. I do pray that you will find the true unconditional love we are called on to walk in someday. It will change your life. Also, please keep in mind, Rom.1:16, Rom.2:9-10. He came for the Jew first. And also, Rom. 11:26 all Israel will be saved. And just for the full truth, lets add Gen. 12:3 i will bless them that bless you, and curse them that curse you.
Attributing salvation to the Jews and not God is incorrect. It was always God's plan to extend salvation to the whole world.
 

ResidentAlien

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If you hold such distain for the teachings here, you are free to move on. If not for the Jewish people, you would not have salvation open to you. sadly your intent to insult others, has only shown a heart of antisemitism. Something that is void of love, wisdom, or understanding. I do pray that you will find the true unconditional love we are called on to walk in someday. It will change your life. Also, please keep in mind, Rom.1:16, Rom.2:9-10. He came for the Jew first. And also, Rom. 11:26 all Israel will be saved. And just for the full truth, lets add Gen. 12:3 i will bless them that bless you, and curse them that curse you.
Hold on slick, you're the one who keeps replying to me. If you don't like my relies move on and I'll be happy to return the favor.
 

Blain

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I do understand what it means to be grafted into the chosen people. I also know full well that as a gentile, the heavenly temple has a place for us. Though it is the outer court, and not once in the Word are we ever told we will be priest. That is held for the line of Arron, as HaShem said in His word, It will not pass from them.
As for me, I need nothing more from Him, than what He has already given as a promise in His Word. I don't need treasure, crowns, glory, or a place of leadership. I am happy being His servant, no mater what is asked. Even if that means I simply wash feet, or shine shoes. If it is a job He needs done, move a side and let me at it. I have after all given my life, soul, and mind to Him.
Obediance doesn't come only when one thinks they will gain from it. It comes from loving, and faithfulness. To try and give it any other way, only leads to one deceiving themself.
You have the heart of a humble servant willing to obey and serrve this is what he is looking for however I would like you to consider otherwise about the outer courts as Galations gives a detailed explanation of what makes us his and it isn't about bloodline this verse alone says a lot
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Everything promised to Israel even back in exodus when he declares them to be a kingdom of priests to him yet they rejected all this even Christ himself and so he gave what was originally meant for physical Israel and gave it to the ones who would simply believe that is all it takes.

It is by faith through grace we are saved but to understand what makes us royalty we have to understand who he says we are. He does have a chosen set aside in the waiting to be activated but it is by hearing the word believing it and then moving forwards with it that makes us the elect obedience listening the willingness to serve these are the traits that he treasures.

The bloodline issue ended with Christ his blood is all that matters and it is by hearing believing and going with him that makes one his not blood or seed.

The kingdom is coming and I can't wait to see what he is going to do with you. Stay the course my friend your already doing fantastic you know that he has many blessings though you don't require them this is why he is going to give it so much to you.
 

montana123

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Faith will not save you if you do not have love which can only be valid if it is in works.

Out of faith, hope, and charity, love in action, charity is the greatest.

And faith works by love.

Love is greater than faith so no love then your faith is void.

Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

James said if a person does not care about the needs of other people then their faith is dead.

So a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

John said if a person does not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.

So do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deeds, and in truth.

We have to care about the poor and needy and if you care about them you will care about Jesus if He had physical need, and if you do not care about the poor and needy would you care about Jesus if He had a physical need.

Also we are doing the will of Jesus to care about the needs of people for that is love, and to neglect that is not love.

That is why the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
 

Cameron143

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Grace saves. Faith is the vehicle. Lack of faith shows lack of grace. Works are immaterial to salvation.
 

Blain

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Faith will not save you if you do not have love which can only be valid if it is in works.

Out of faith, hope, and charity, love in action, charity is the greatest.

And faith works by love.

Love is greater than faith so no love then your faith is void.

Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

James said if a person does not care about the needs of other people then their faith is dead.

So a person is justified by works and not faith alone.

John said if a person does not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.

So do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deeds, and in truth.

We have to care about the poor and needy and if you care about them you will care about Jesus if He had physical need, and if you do not care about the poor and needy would you care about Jesus if He had a physical need.

Also we are doing the will of Jesus to care about the needs of people for that is love, and to neglect that is not love.

That is why the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
Does it really need to be so complicated? faith is a gift and all the gifts of God come from the original source love himself. Having faith is one thing but who is your faith in?

Faith is a result of abiding in him his love his warmth his majesty his glory true faith activates the faith to step forward not knowing what lies ahead not knowing if your act of faith is needed or required but in faith for the kingdom for his honor we take that step regardless.

Faith is a verb an action love is also an action a verb they go hand in hand no speration

What is faith if not blindly following him?
 

montana123

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Does it really need to be so complicated? faith is a gift and all the gifts of God come from the original source love himself. Having faith is one thing but who is your faith in?

Faith is a result of abiding in him his love his warmth his majesty his glory true faith activates the faith to step forward not knowing what lies ahead not knowing if your act of faith is needed or required but in faith for the kingdom for his honor we take that step regardless.

Faith is a verb an action love is also an action a verb they go hand in hand no speration

What is faith if not blindly following him?
But if a person does not have love then their faith does not mean anything because love is greater than faith.

How is it complicated to live then you will have faith that is valid.

The Bible says love does not think an evil thought, and does not rejoice in iniquity to enjoy sin, but rejoices in the truth to abstain from sin by the Spirit.

But there are millions of people claiming Christianity that enjoy sin thinking they are alright and say it does not matter because they are saved by faith.

We are saved by faith when we first confess Christ because that is all we can do, but when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love or else faith is dead.

Millions of people enjoying money and material things their wants neglecting the poor and needy and then say they are saved by faith.

They use faith like an excuse to enjoy sin and their wants and neglect love that is greater than faith.
 

Blain

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But if a person does not have love then their faith does not mean anything because love is greater than faith.

How is it complicated to live then you will have faith that is valid.

The Bible says love does not think an evil thought, and does not rejoice in iniquity to enjoy sin, but rejoices in the truth to abstain from sin by the Spirit.

But there are millions of people claiming Christianity that enjoy sin thinking they are alright and say it does not matter because they are saved by faith.

We are saved by faith when we first confess Christ because that is all we can do, but when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love or else faith is dead.

Millions of people enjoying money and material things their wants neglecting the poor and needy and then say they are saved by faith.

They use faith like an excuse to enjoy sin and their wants and neglect love that is greater than faith.
This so called faith is not the real thing, even unbelievers can have the faith to move a mountain do many works for him but when he says to them I never knew you then that shatters their idea of what faith is.

True faith derrives from the heart and love of God it is to bring his name honor to spread the kingdom to testify of his mighty works and everything he gives us in blessings and riches is not because we had faith abd asked for it but it is a reward for our stewardship it is gifts from him because he loves a good worker and when we have faith it is not the faith of a person who sees it as a means to an end it is a gift something he places in us as a seed and like a tender gardener he with us together hand in hand create a garden that speaks of him.

What is faith really? why do so many seem to not understand it or use it for their own means? why is faith about self and not about him?

You see all the so called faith believers you know it is not right so take up your staff and show them what faith really is who love is what faith is for in his kingdom.
 

Rainrider

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Attributing salvation to the Jews and not God is incorrect. It was always God's plan to extend salvation to the whole world.
I don't think I ever said salvation come from the Jewish people. However I did say it was through them that salvation came. You see that is a fact, that can't be changed. They were called to be a nation of perist, and to bring the light to the whole world. It was through them that Yeshua was sent, and by their willingness to spread the word, ever if it ment their life, that we were given that word. Oh sure it could have came through any people, at anytime, yet it didn't. So to say we owe the Jewish people a thank you, is a bit of an understatement.
 

Rainrider

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Hold on slick, you're the one who keeps replying to me. If you don't like my relies move on and I'll be happy to return the favor.
If you haven't noticed, the tread was open by me. So I am now going to see a whole host of love to haters show up. It goes that way every time. You love to do your best to shut down any truth. Unless it is your own personal truth. As I said many times in the past, (just look back at my threads) Your augment isn't with me, it is with the Word, and the truth it holds.
So no I have no reason to leave, and I will stand my ground. You will not push me around like a puppy I bit back.
 

Cameron143

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I don't think I ever said salvation come from the Jewish people. However I did say it was through them that salvation came. You see that is a fact, that can't be changed. They were called to be a nation of perist, and to bring the light to the whole world. It was through them that Yeshua was sent, and by their willingness to spread the word, ever if it ment their life, that we were given that word. Oh sure it could have came through any people, at anytime, yet it didn't. So to say we owe the Jewish people a thank you, is a bit of an understatement.
You wrote if not for the Jewish people, you would not have salvation open to you. That's simply not true.
It is true that God created the Jewish nation and set His affection upon them corporately. And for a time, salvation was wrought through the Jews. But that isn't the case today. It is the church of Jesus Christ that is delivering the message of salvation.
And the glory for anything should always be to God.
 

ResidentAlien

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If you haven't noticed, the tread was open by me. So I am now going to see a whole host of love to haters show up. It goes that way every time. You love to do your best to shut down any truth. Unless it is your own personal truth. As I said many times in the past, (just look back at my threads) Your augment isn't with me, it is with the Word, and the truth it holds.
So no I have no reason to leave, and I will stand my ground. You will not push me around like a puppy I bit back.
Whatever. Honestly you're not making a lot of sense and I find the whole thing pretty boring. This will be my last post to you; someone has to exercise some self-control and I can see it won't be you.