Food for thought

[Rainrider]

You have the heart of a humble servant willing to obey and serrve this is what he is looking for however I would like you to consider otherwise about the outer courts as Galations gives a detailed explanation of what makes us his and it isn't about bloodline this verse alone says a lot
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Everything promised to Israel even back in exodus when he declares them to be a kingdom of priests to him yet they rejected all this even Christ himself and so he gave what was originally meant for physical Israel and gave it to the ones who would simply believe that is all it takes.

It is by faith through grace we are saved but to understand what makes us royalty we have to understand who he says we are. He does have a chosen set aside in the waiting to be activated but it is by hearing the word believing it and then moving forwards with it that makes us the elect obedience listening the willingness to serve these are the traits that he treasures.

The bloodline issue ended with Christ his blood is all that matters and it is by hearing believing and going with him that makes one his not blood or seed.

The kingdom is coming and I can't wait to see what he is going to do with you. Stay the course my friend your already doing fantastic you know that he has many blessings though you don't require them this is why he is going to give it so much to you.

I wish I could just depart from the truth of what the Word has to say. Only then I wouldn't be about doing HaShems work. So what stops me from saying that the Gentile will not be treated differently, you may ask.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 7:9¶After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

So if the Word places this before us, how can we disagree with it? It would seem that when one rethinks their own understand, they come a bit closer to truth. Don't get me wrong, I understand that we become one people. walk in one faith, and see only the plain truth of His Word. However are we to think, (taking all the Word tells us), that the Jewish people are His chosen people. Or should we simply reject His promise to the Hebrew people. so we can think of our selves as something He never told would come about?

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
As for me, I will believe every word He ever spoke. Work to maintain it's true context, and do my best to live by them all. Now if I have a misunderstanding of His Word, I need to know. However keep in mind, you will not be in disagreement with myself. Rather you will be working to show His word doesn't mean what it plainly tells us.

 

[Rainrider]

You wrote if not for the Jewish people, you would not have salvation open to you. That's simply not true.
It is true that God created the Jewish nation and set His affection upon them corporately. And for a time, salvation was wrought through the Jews. But that isn't the case today. It is the church of Jesus Christ that is delivering the message of salvation.
And the glory for anything should always be to God.

Agreed, yet we should never diminish the way He brought that about. I stand by what I said, if not for the Hebrew people persevering His Word in such an accurate manner, and doing their best to live by it, we would not have it. So lets place in wording you may be a bit more comfy with.
HaShem in His wisdom found a people willing to be a light unto the world. To share his Word with the world, that all of man kind would know the truth. It is with that in mind that we should give a BIG thank you to them. They suffered in ways the rest of us have yet to see, and still come out with their faith in-tacked. Many gave their life for the same faith we hold dear today. So lets give thanks to both HaShem, and His people for their suffering, and dedication to Him. After all, it was through their trusting faithfulness, that we are give the chance to find truth, and salvation. Just as it is through HaShems wisdom, and power that they were able to do this work for Him. Is that better, or am I still missing something?
I say the same thing just a bit differently.

 

[Cameron143]

Agreed, yet we should never diminish the way He brought that about. I stand by what I said, if not for the Hebrew people persevering His Word in such an accurate manner, and doing their best to live by it, we would not have it. So lets place in wording you may be a bit more comfy with.
HaShem in His wisdom found a people willing to be a light unto the world. To share his Word with the world, that all of man kind would know the truth. It is with that in mind that we should give a BIG thank you to them. They suffered in ways the rest of us have yet to see, and still come out with their faith in-tacked. Many gave their life for the same faith we hold dear today. So lets give thanks to both HaShem, and His people for their suffering, and dedication to Him. After all, it was through their trusting faithfulness, that we are give the chance to find truth, and salvation. Just as it is through HaShems wisdom, and power that they were able to do this work for Him. Is that better, or am I still missing something?
I say the same thing just a bit differently.

My thanks is to God Who founded...not found...a people. It was God Himself Who preserved the Word. It is always God Who deserves the glory and He does not share His glory with another.
Who should I thank for the work since the 1st century? Who is responsible for preserving the NT?
You are proud of your heritage. Nothing wrong with that. But we are all the same...there is neither Greek nor Jew.

 

[Rainrider]

Does it really need to be so complicated? faith is a gift and all the gifts of God come from the original source love himself. Having faith is one thing but who is your faith in?

Faith is a result of abiding in him his love his warmth his majesty his glory true faith activates the faith to step forward not knowing what lies ahead not knowing if your act of faith is needed or required but in faith for the kingdom for his honor we take that step regardless.

Faith is a verb an action love is also an action a verb they go hand in hand no speration

What is faith if not blindly following him?

I think you just made the same point. In your reply to montana123 you say that Faith and Love go hand in hand. Yet you try to make clear that we don't need love, just faith. Then you made the point that faith comes from Love.
Without love, faith in HaShem would be a bit pointless. After all, were we not told to imulate Yeshua, just as Paul did? Yeshua lived by the Torah, walked in love, and even showed love when confronted by those that hated Him. Then you already know that faith and love go hand in hand.

 

[Rainrider]

Whatever. Honestly you're not making a lot of sense and I find the whole thing pretty boring. This will be my last post to you; someone has to exercise some self-control and I can see it won't be you.

I make a point to reply in my own thread. It is after all the respectful thing to do. It is also a way to point out the faults in ones understanding, as well give them a chance to disagree. It is from there, that with respect, people can work to find the faults in both sides of a teaching. I will pray that Love will worm your heart, and lead you to understand what is needed for faith to reach it's full potential in your walk with HaShem. Be blessed, and seek only truth in His Word.

 

[Rainrider]

My thanks is to God Who founded...not found...a people. It was God Himself Who preserved the Word. It is always God Who deserves the glory and He does not share His glory with another.
Who should I thank for the work since the 1st century? Who is responsible for preserving the NT?
You are proud of your heritage. Nothing wrong with that. But we are all the same...there is neither Greek nor Jew.

So even if ever person on this earth said NO THANKS when offered the Torah, we would still have it. In some ways I can see that. Yet it was through the Hebrew people. Do we now say they had no hand in doing HaShem's work? If so. let us also remove every word pend by them, Remove every thought, safe gaurd, and prof read that went into ever copy of the Word. Now what would we have left. Daniel 4:1-18 and 34-37 of the same chapter. Not much to work with.

 

[Cameron143]

So even if ever person on this earth said NO THANKS when offered the Torah, we would still have it. In some ways I can see that. Yet it was through the Hebrew people. Do we now say they had no hand in doing HaShem's work? If so. let us also remove every word pend by them, Remove every thought, safe gaurd, and prof read that went into ever copy of the Word. Now what would we have left. Daniel 4:1-18 and 34-37 of the same chapter. Not much to work with.

You are missing my point. God has taken down the partition between people groups. You are putting it back up.

 

[Rainrider]

You are missing my point. God has taken down the partition between people groups. You are putting it back up.

No I am just posting what the Word tells us. I have have no choice but to follow the Truth as found in the Word. If there is anything wrong with the passages I posted, please explain how HaShem didn't know what He placed on the hearts of them that wrote His word.

 

[Cameron143]

No I am just posting what the Word tells us. I have have no choice but to follow the Truth as found in the Word. If there is anything wrong with the passages I posted, please explain how HaShem didn't know what He placed on the hearts of them that wrote His word.

You should read Ephesians 2:14 and Galatians 3:28.

 

[Blain]

I think you just made the same point. In your reply to montana123 you say that Faith and Love go hand in hand. Yet you try to make clear that we don't need love, just faith. Then you made the point that faith comes from Love.
Without love, faith in HaShem would be a bit pointless. After all, were we not told to imulate Yeshua, just as Paul did? Yeshua lived by the Torah, walked in love, and even showed love when confronted by those that hated Him. Then you already know that faith and love go hand in hand.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Without love, faith in HaShem would be a bit pointless. After all, were we not told to imulate Yeshua, just as Paul did?

I do not believe that born again Christians should be resorting to the terminology of unsaved Jews. "HaShem" ("Name") is a substitute for God our Father, and "Yeshua" is a substitute for the Lord Jesus Christ. We should stick with Christian terminology.

 

[Rainrider]

You should read Ephesians 2:14 and Galatians 3:28.

I would love to see how you recessional your thoughts on the 2 passages, and still hold the truth of the whole word. After all if any one part of scripture stands in contrast to any other part, then there is only solution, and that would be to rethink how we understand it. If not, then the whole of the Word is placed in question. Do we trust an unchanging HaShem, or would we rather place our trust in a god that simply can't make up his mind?

 

[Rainrider]

I do not believe that born again Christians should be resorting to the terminology of unsaved Jews. "HaShem" ("Name") is a substitute for God our Father, and "Yeshua" is a substitute for the Lord Jesus Christ. We should stick with Christian terminology.

Yet is fine to ignore the truth, and use only a part of the word Even when it isn't in line with the WHOLE of HaShems Word? Also what gives you more right to use a name that was never used to denote HaShem in the Hebrew language? As I have said many times, and if I remember right, even in this thread. HaShem doesn't judge by a word or phrase. He knows the intent of ones heart, and knows if we are speaking to Him or some other god.

 

[Magenta]

You should read Ephesians 2:14 and Galatians 3:28.

Ephesians2-13-15
Thank you for the inspiration .

 

[Cameron143]

I would love to see how you recessional your thoughts on the 2 passages, and still hold the truth of the whole word. After all if any one part of scripture stands in contrast to any other part, then there is only solution, and that would be to rethink how we understand it. If not, then the whole of the Word is placed in question. Do we trust an unchanging HaShem, or would we rather place our trust in a god that simply can't make up his mind?

I have no problem reconciling the verses with all of scripture. You seem to dismiss some.

 

[Rainrider]

Not a direct reply to anyone. So if it steeps on your toes, then you must have need to hear this.
There is always a big deal made of names, and titles. Once we move out side of what the Word tells us, we walk up hill in the sand. Now I am sure anyone that has done so understands this saying.
The thing is, we all want to be better than the other person, and if said person doesn't fall in line, as seen here, they come under fire. It will not change my mind, HaShem's true name is Yod Hay vav hay. That comes not from my ideas, rather from the Torah. HaShem gave that name to Moses as His true name. So that name isn't christain, nor Jewish. Rather it is from HaShem, not man.
We do good to try and keep personal thoughts, and feelings out of Biblical study. You see when we try to belittle others with nothing more than our own ideas, we tend to let our true selves show though.
Now I may be speaking only for my self here, though I don't believe that is the case. Yet, when we show respect to others we seem to always get that same respect in return. When we try to force others into a box, they don't like the looks of, it is always meet with resistance.
Now I know I don't always hold my toung, and I do say things in the kindest way I can think of. Yet in the end, I am never sure if it will seen in the way it was intended. It is for that reason that I hold back on a lot of what comes to mind.
trust me from here, or face to face, I can get as nasty as the next person. I can run down your faith, your beliefs, and church. however that would suver to display ones insecurity and lack of understanding.
I walked away from this sight once in the past. On my return I find some of the same people still doing their best to push me out. So why did walk away? I had some vary personal things come up. Some thing that me truly question my own faith. So I spent the next 5 years working that out. What I found was that it wasn't my faith on trial, it was my loving faithfulness. It wasn't really on trial by HaShem, more like I just couldn't see Him at work i my life.
We loss focus if look at hat is wrong in our life, and think more of how it will change a vary part of who we are. take a person that gets burned over lets say 20% of his body. Part of that we will say is his face. Said person now 2 choices, he can pick himself up and keep working to spread the Word, or fall into a dark hole and never be seen again.
For me it was nothing like that, although it did lead to a point where I simply couldn't see how to move foreword. All the questions of why me, poor little me, and please come join my pitty party, I am lonely here all by my self. So yes, ever the best of us can take that road. Just read the Book of Job, and you will see how we should deal with it.
I will say, that had I stayed on here over that time, I would have done more harm than good. I need this to stand out, so maybe it will not be over looked. So please over look the caps.
WE ALL NEED TO THINK BEFORE WE SAY SOMETHING. BEING OFFENSIVE DOES LITTLE TO ADD TO ANY STUDY ON SOUND BIBLICAL TEACHINGS.

 

[Rainrider]

I have no problem reconciling the verses with all of scripture. You seem to dismiss some.

I await your teachings. keep in mind I will be asking hard questions, to seek out the full truth. As for the dismissal of scripture, I feel you are about find out what you say isn't true. So please bring it, and dot all you i's and cross all your t's. Also please understand I am not trying to make your teaching seem foolish, I am simply going to ask the hows of said teaching. truth means everything.

 

[Cameron143]

I await your teachings. keep in mind I will be asking hard questions, to seek out the full truth. As for the dismissal of scripture, I feel you are about find out what you say isn't true. So please bring it, and dot all you i's and cross all your t's. Also please understand I am not trying to make your teaching seem foolish, I am simply going to ask the hows of said teaching. truth means everything.

I have no interest in going further. You believe as you do and no amount of scripture will convince you otherwise. So I ask for the richest of blessings to you and yours.

 

[Rainrider]

I have no interest in going further. You believe as you do and no amount of scripture will convince you otherwise. So I ask for the richest of blessings to you and yours.

Thats to sad, we are called to spread truth, and even correct others when they are wrong. The mark of a true follower is that they understand they can be wrong, we are after all only human. I learned many moons ago that a person that thinks they know everything, is a person that doesn't know all the questions, or looked at all the facts.
Now you know as well as I do, when one studies the Word, I mean truly studies it, the answer is never found in just one spot. That's is why Isaiah had this to say.

Isa 28:10He tells us everything over and over—
one line at a time,
one line at a time,
a little here,
and a little there!”
Now I will be coming back to this topic of One People It is after all one that seem's to need to be looked at. For now, I am going back to the topic of Salvation. I do hope you will stay around, never know when you may find true fault in my words. It has been done before, and sure as the wind blows in N.M. it will be again. True it is never easy to change one's understanding, and shine a light on the truth, when they be come arrogant, and full of their own self impotence.
To people like that I can only say, get over your selves. You see everyone in HaShems Army is expendable. Some are even just a tempory sign post. You know the that say caution road work ahead. I see my self as that sign. I am under construction. Always learning, and never staying stuck in the rut.

 

[Cameron143]

Thats to sad, we are called to spread truth, and even correct others when they are wrong. The mark of a true follower is that they understand they can be wrong, we are after all only human. I learned many moons ago that a person that thinks they know everything, is a person that doesn't know all the questions, or looked at all the facts.
Now you know as well as I do, when one studies the Word, I mean truly studies it, the answer is never found in just one spot. That's is why Isaiah had this to say.

Isa 28:10He tells us everything over and over—
one line at a time,
one line at a time,
a little here,
and a little there!”
Now I will be coming back to this topic of One People It is after all one that seem's to need to be looked at. For now, I am going back to the topic of Salvation. I do hope you will stay around, never know when you may find true fault in my words. It has been done before, and sure as the wind blows in N.M. it will be again. True it is never easy to change one's understanding, and shine a light on the truth, when they be come arrogant, and full of their own self impotence.
To people like that I can only say, get over your selves. You see everyone in HaShems Army is expendable. Some are even just a tempory sign post. You know the that say caution road work ahead. I see my self as that sign. I am under construction. Always learning, and never staying stuck in the rut.

Thanks for sharing what you have. But dialog is useful only when both sides are open to learn. I wish you the highest of blessings. I only remained on this thread long enough to offer my Thanks. I won't be following it any more.