Food rules for Christians come from demons?

[1still_waters]

1 Timothy 4:3 KJV
(3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats(G1033), which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
bro'-mah
From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals.

That word isn't limited to ceremonial foods.
Greek Lexicon :: G1033 (KJV)

You're referencing the base of the word and not the actual word.

Strong's Greek: 1033. βρῶμα (bróma) -- food

Did God allow all food to be eaten? In the OT there is a list of clean and unclean, even in the time of the flood.

Genesis 7:2 KJV
(2) Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.


So is the text in Timothy saying we can eat anything as long as we pray about it? Certainly not and any christian teaching this is teaching what the Bible does not say. It is talking about clean food, good food that people will teach to abstain from. It is not against those who teach health principles.

The text seems clear....

1 Tim 4

4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,

 

[Laodicea]

That word isn't limited to ceremonial foods.
Greek Lexicon :: G1033 (KJV)

You're referencing the base of the word and not the actual word.

Strong's Greek: 1033. βρῶμα (bróma) -- food

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The text seems clear....

You cannot base doctrine on a portion of a text. Read all the verses on food to base doctrine. This is Jesus method.

 

[1still_waters]

You cannot base doctrine on a portion of a text. Read all the verses on food to base doctrine. This is Jesus method.

I'm not.

The broma word is interpreted in light of that verse.
It's really clear.

Bro-

 

[oldthennew]

1st DIETARY LAW:
GENESIS 2:16-17.
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,
"Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
you shall not eat, for in the day that you
eat if it you shall surely die."

REVELATION 2:7.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the Tree of Life,
which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.

DEUTERONOMY 12:16.
Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it on the earth like water.

ACTS 15:20.
But that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

how interesting it is that the 'fall of man' came about through
the disobedience of lusting to fill the belly.

 

[john832]

This stuck out to me at church today.
It seems to be saying anyone who tells a Christian they can't eat a certain food because of religious/faith purposes, is in fact preaching/teaching/furthering a doctrine straight from demons.

1 tim 4

Hmmm, I'd be very careful how I read and said that...

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

God, not demons, gave the knowledge of what meats are food. Let's take a look at I Tim 4 closely...

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Here is a rundown of doctrines of demons...

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry,

Who teaches that celibacy is a higher state than marriage?

and commanding to abstain from meats,

The word here is...

G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
bro'-mah
From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals.

Notice the word here is broma and means food.

Here is what Albert Barnes says...

"And commanding to abstain from meats, ... - The word “meat” in the Scriptures, commonly denotes “food” of all kinds; Mat_3:4; Mat_6:25; Mat_10:10; Mat_15:37. This was the meaning of the word when the translation of the Bible was made. It is now used by us, almost exclusively, to denote animal food. The word here used - βρῶμα brōma - means, properly, whatever is eaten, and may refer to animal flesh, fish, fruit, or vegetables. It is often, however, in the New Testament, employed particularly to denote the flesh of animals; Heb, Mat_9:10; Mat_13:9; Rom_14:15, Rom_14:20; 1Co_8:8, 1Co_8:13. As it was animal food particularly which was forbidden under the Jewish code, and as the questions on this subject among Christians would relate to the same kinds of prohibition, it is probable that the word has the same limited signification here, and should be taken as meaning the same thing that the word “meat” does with us.
To forbid the use of certain meats, is here described as one of the characteristics of those who would instruct the church in the time of the great apostasy. It is not necessary to suppose that there would be an “entire” prohibition, but only a prohibition of certain kinds, and at certain seasons. That “this” characteristic is found in the papacy more than anywhere else in the Christian world, it is needless to prove. The following questions and answers from Dr. Butler’s Catechism, will show what is the sentiment of Roman Catholics on this subject. “Question: Are there any other commandments besides the Ten Commandments of God? Answer: There are the commandments or precepts of the church, which are chiefly six. Question: What are we obliged to do by the second commandment of the church? Answer: To give part of the year to fast and abstinence. Question: What do you mean by fast-days? Answer: Certain days on which we are allowed but one meal, and “forbidden flesh meat.”
Question: What do you mean by days of abstinence? Answer: Certain days on which we are forbidden to eat flesh meat; but are allowed the usual number of meals. Question: Is it strictly forbidden by the church to eat flesh meat on days of abstinence? Answer: Yes; and to eat flesh meat on any day on which it is forbidden, without necessity and leave of the church, is very sinful.” Could there be a more impressive and striking commentary on what the apostle says here, that “in the latter days some would depart from the faith, under the hypocritical teaching of those who commanded to abstain from meats?” The authority claimed by the papacy to issue “commands” on this subject, may be seen still further by the following extract from the same catechism, showing the gracious permission of the church to the “faithful.” “The abstinence on Saturday is dispensed with, for the faithful throughout the United States, for the space of ten years (from 1833), except when a fast falls on a Saturday. The use of flesh meat is allowed at present by dispensation in the diocess of Philadelphia, on all the Sundays of Lent, except Palm Sunday, and once a day on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday in each week, except the Thursday after Ash Wednesday, and also excepting Holy-week.” Such is the Roman Catholic religion! See also Peter Dens’ Moral Theology, pp. 321-330. It is true that what is said here “might” apply to the Essenes, as Koppe supposes, or to the Judaizing teachers, but it applies more appropriately and fully to the Papal communion than to any other body of men professing Christianity, and taken in connection with the other characteristics of the apostasy, there can be no doubt that the reference is to that."

Notice who commands abstinence from certain foods on certain days? Same organization that commands celibate priests.



which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Certain foods were created to be eaten...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Now what foods are sanctified or set apart by the word of God?

Read Lev 11 and Deut 14.

 

[Laodicea]

1st DIETARY LAW:
GENESIS 2:16-17.
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying,
"Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
you shall not eat, for in the day that you
eat if it you shall surely die."

REVELATION 2:7.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the Tree of Life,
which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.

DEUTERONOMY 12:16.
Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it on the earth like water.

ACTS 15:20.
But that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

how interesting it is that the 'fall of man' came about through
the disobedience of lusting to fill the belly.

Yes and also the first tempatation in Daniel is on appetite, the first temptation of Christ in the wilderness was on appetite.

1 Corinthians 9:25 KJV
(25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate(G1467) in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

G1467
ἐγκρατεύομαι
egkrateuomai
eng-krat-yoo'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1468; to exercise self restraint (in diet and chastity): - can([-not]) contain, be temperate.

 

[1still_waters]

Hmmm, I'd be very careful how I read and said that...

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

God, not demons, gave the knowledge of what meats are food. Let's take a look at I Tim 4 closely...

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Here is a rundown of doctrines of demons...

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry,

Who teaches that celibacy is a higher state than marriage?

and commanding to abstain from meats,

The word here is...

G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
bro'-mah
From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals.

Notice the word here is broma and means food.

Here is what Albert Barnes says...

"And commanding to abstain from meats, ... - The word “meat” in the Scriptures, commonly denotes “food” of all kinds; Mat_3:4; Mat_6:25; Mat_10:10; Mat_15:37. This was the meaning of the word when the translation of the Bible was made. It is now used by us, almost exclusively, to denote animal food. The word here used - βρῶμα brōma - means, properly, whatever is eaten, and may refer to animal flesh, fish, fruit, or vegetables. It is often, however, in the New Testament, employed particularly to denote the flesh of animals; Heb, Mat_9:10; Mat_13:9; Rom_14:15, Rom_14:20; 1Co_8:8, 1Co_8:13. As it was animal food particularly which was forbidden under the Jewish code, and as the questions on this subject among Christians would relate to the same kinds of prohibition, it is probable that the word has the same limited signification here, and should be taken as meaning the same thing that the word “meat” does with us.
To forbid the use of certain meats, is here described as one of the characteristics of those who would instruct the church in the time of the great apostasy. It is not necessary to suppose that there would be an “entire” prohibition, but only a prohibition of certain kinds, and at certain seasons. That “this” characteristic is found in the papacy more than anywhere else in the Christian world, it is needless to prove. The following questions and answers from Dr. Butler’s Catechism, will show what is the sentiment of Roman Catholics on this subject. “Question: Are there any other commandments besides the Ten Commandments of God? Answer: There are the commandments or precepts of the church, which are chiefly six. Question: What are we obliged to do by the second commandment of the church? Answer: To give part of the year to fast and abstinence. Question: What do you mean by fast-days? Answer: Certain days on which we are allowed but one meal, and “forbidden flesh meat.”
Question: What do you mean by days of abstinence? Answer: Certain days on which we are forbidden to eat flesh meat; but are allowed the usual number of meals. Question: Is it strictly forbidden by the church to eat flesh meat on days of abstinence? Answer: Yes; and to eat flesh meat on any day on which it is forbidden, without necessity and leave of the church, is very sinful.” Could there be a more impressive and striking commentary on what the apostle says here, that “in the latter days some would depart from the faith, under the hypocritical teaching of those who commanded to abstain from meats?” The authority claimed by the papacy to issue “commands” on this subject, may be seen still further by the following extract from the same catechism, showing the gracious permission of the church to the “faithful.” “The abstinence on Saturday is dispensed with, for the faithful throughout the United States, for the space of ten years (from 1833), except when a fast falls on a Saturday. The use of flesh meat is allowed at present by dispensation in the diocess of Philadelphia, on all the Sundays of Lent, except Palm Sunday, and once a day on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday in each week, except the Thursday after Ash Wednesday, and also excepting Holy-week.” Such is the Roman Catholic religion! See also Peter Dens’ Moral Theology, pp. 321-330. It is true that what is said here “might” apply to the Essenes, as Koppe supposes, or to the Judaizing teachers, but it applies more appropriately and fully to the Papal communion than to any other body of men professing Christianity, and taken in connection with the other characteristics of the apostasy, there can be no doubt that the reference is to that."

Notice who commands abstinence from certain foods on certain days? Same organization that commands celibate priests.



which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Certain foods were created to be eaten...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Now what foods are sanctified or set apart by the word of God?

Read Lev 11 and Deut 14.

You interpret everything through old covenant, because that's what you are trying to bring us under.

We're under the new covenant.

We interpret these through new covenant standards.
Mark 7

14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand:15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”[e] 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”[f] (Thus he declared all foods clean.)20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

We're not under old covenant food rules.
This is the same false teaching rehashed into the 21st century.

 

[damombomb]

[h=1]Acts 10 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
[SUP]37 [/SUP]That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

If you read the whole chapter, it is speaking about salvation to the gentiles and whoever believed in Jesus of every
nation. Not nessasarily food.





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[john832]

You interpret everything through old covenant, because that's what you are trying to bring us under.

We're under the new covenant.

We interpret these through new covenant standards.
Mark 7


We're not under old covenant food rules.
This is the same false teaching rehashed into the 21st century.

So, the New Covenant changed how certain chemicals effect the human body? The teaching concerning what is food and what is not is a spiritual, not a physical issue?

 

[john832]

Acts 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
[SUP]37 [/SUP]That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

If you read the whole chapter, it is speaking about salvation to the gentiles and whoever believed in Jesus of every
nation. Not nessasarily food.





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This chapter is not about food at all. Where did Peter say that he understood the vision to mean eat whatever you wish? Here is his reaction...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

His first reaction was not to order a surf and turf with hamhocks and a shrimp cocktail, it was to wonder what in the world God was showing him. When he finally understood, what was the take-away...

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[notuptome]

If we carry this to its logical conclusion we will be like those who make cows sacred and people starve while the Lords provision walks right past them.

So much for not living by bread alone but by every word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[psychomom]

I think this comes close to what Paul is warning about and endorsed by new agers but being embraced by the church.

The Daniel Plan

good grief...there's a money maker.

 

[just-me]

I read the whole thread through and I only learned one thing. God made food that its appropriate to consume calling it clean for us to know. Noah even knew what animals were clean and what animals weren't. This clean food represent all of God's word. In the shadow of things to come, flour is the parable of His Word and manna is the parable of the Spirit from heaven given to remind, and enlighten us what all the Word teaches. The law came first at mount Sinai, and on the same day of the same month 100's of years later came the Holy Ghost from heaven. Food for thought.

 

[john832]

You interpret everything through old covenant, because that's what you are trying to bring us under.

We're under the new covenant.

We interpret these through new covenant standards.
Mark 7

14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand:15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”[e]17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable.18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”[f] (Thus he declared all foods clean.)20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him.21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

We're not under old covenant food rules.
This is the same false teaching rehashed into the 21st century.

What an excellent job of lifting verses out of context and misapplying them.

Let's read Mark 7 and see what it REALLY says...

Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Whoa, this passage is not about meat, it is about what? BREAD! And the word here for bread is...

G740
ἄρτος
artos
ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.

And it is talking about bread, not various foods and not meat, but bread.

But what is the real topic?

Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

They were discussing washing their hands, not food. Not only were they discussing hand washing, they were discussing something else...

Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Jesus corrected them here for holding to traditions not the truth of God.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ was lambasting the Pharisees for what? Teaching that men should keep the Commandment of God concerning clean and unclean? No, He was giving them the works for LAYING ASIDE the Commandments of God so they could keep their own traditions.

So if you are going to quote scripture to support a position, please do it honestly. Don't leave out the context and them misapply it to support an erroneous position. The subject here is laying aside the Commands of God to teach tradition.

 

[Apostol2013]

True, so how many demons do we have on this site teaching these doctrines?

I dont believe it is demons but the people in error just themselves dont blame the demons blame the people they have a choice .

 

[JesusIsAll]

I dont believe it is demons but the people in error just themselves dont blame the demons blame the people they have a choice .

What of people under the influence of demons? Aren't people the primary vehicle of all Satanic activity on earth? (Please, I'm not in the least saying we should be calling anybody demonic, just pointing out a reality the devil works through humans.)

 

[JesusIsAll]

If we carry this to its logical conclusion we will be like those who make cows sacred and people starve while the Lords provision walks right past them.

1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

 

[john832]

I dont believe it is demons but the people in error just themselves dont blame the demons blame the people they have a choice .

The doctrine of demons has to do with a celibate priesthood and abstaining from meats on a certain day of the week.

 

[john832]

Just out of curiosity, why were the laws of clean and unclean given?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Just out of curiosity, why were the laws of clean and unclean given?

In hopes Chicken McNuggets would have never been invented.