For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[zone]

hmmmm circumcision is the issue hmmmmm you read thhe bible but you do not study it

i think you are well just hmmmmmmmmmmm

they bore circumcision quite easily.
that's not what the subject is.
the jews believed you couldn't even begin to keep the Law (including sabbaths) unless you were circumcised.

circumcision is short-hand for Paul saying - THE LAW....and anyone who denies that needs to go look again.

those of the circumcision are those UNDER THE LAW.

that is why he said - to those being deceived; bewitched by the Pharisees - if you submit to circumcision - as the first step on your way to supposedly keeping the law of Moses, Christ is of no effect for you, for you are then BOUND to keep THE WHOLE LAW.

not just the parts you cherry pick.

Galatians 2:21
I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

treating the grace of God, in delivering up HIS OWN SON as something contemptible!
saying in their hearts "there was no need for Christ to die", because i don't CARE what God said - I AM going to be made right before Him by keeping the WHOLE LAW.

what a sad day this is where people say they know The Lord...and just trample the blood of the COVENANT whereby they were (if they were) sanctified....no, they are sanctified by keeping the law..particularly staying home on saturday.

disgraceful.

 

[morninglory]

Thats a good place to start.

But the law says not even to prepair food on the sabbath How many of us obey aspect this law?

Bless your heart! Let me ask you a counter question; If the fellow that was stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath had been carrying his paddle to bury his own waste, would he have been stoned for defying/breaking the Sabbath? This day in age we do not have to labor to prepare our food the same day we eat it as they did then. It is my personal choice to follow what Jesus said and did, mainly, to do good on the Sabbath is good, other than that, he and the Apostles did not buy food, light a fire to cook, or pick up a cycle to thresh on the Sabbath. If I can apply what the Lord made known to my life today, then I do apply it ...by choice, not by command.

Peace

 

[2Thewaters]

Would you cook a meal in the kitchen on your honeymoon?
I would cook it friday

How many of us even have a honeymoon with Jesus every week?

We are supposed to do the cooking on preparation day.
you can heat it up to warm it up so we dont get sick
Jesus healed on Sabbath

chooping kindling and jhauling wood is not a honeymoon activity and interupts time with Jesus.

 

[buckets]

the apostles harvested and ate on the Sabbath. Jesus healed on the Sabbath. Follow Christ salvation is in Him alone.

 

[2Thewaters]

Once a man was told...

We should work and support ourselves...
And the man said" What if there is a lion outside? He would eat me!"

the enemy puts all kinds of silly questions in our mind.

Let us remember the Sabbath is the day Jesus will bless us as we KNEEL in adoration to him and he will FILL you with his holy spirit and RECREATE you.

What would bill gates pay for that? Money cant buy it

on Sabbath eat light
a little bread and honey before church
and some fruit for lunch
the more you eat the less you hear the still small voice

 

[buckets]

Once a man was told...

We should work and support ourselves...
And the man said" What if there is a lion outside? He would eat me!"

the enemy puts all kinds of silly questions in our mind.

Let us remember the Sabbath is the day Jesus will bless us as we KNEEL in adoration to him and he will FILL you with his holy spirit and RECREATE you.

What would bill gates pay for that? Money cant buy it

on Sabbath eat light
a little bread and honey before church
and some fruit for lunch
the more you eat the less you hear the still small voice

Thank you for sharing your church doctrine. Christ should be kneeled before in adoration on all days. Christ spoke nothing of food keeping you from hearing him.
Christ said seek and you will find, look and you will see. if Christ needed me to eat little to worship him he would have said so.

 

[2Thewaters]

He did say so
That is why you are on this web site.
He speaks to brothers and sisters who have studied.

There are certain things we need to understand...
Health has direct connection to spirituality
And food is part of health

 

[2Thewaters]

1 Cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

 

[2Thewaters]

Heb 13:9 For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace;
not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

eating all the time is bad for spirituality.

Luke 5:35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them,
and then shall they fast in those days.

That is now

it is good to fast and pray...
Sabbath is a good day for not overeating.

Everything I post is not my words but what is in the word of God
Count on it
If you want to know ever, just ask.

 

[2Thewaters]

We change all the time, when we find something new
Just realized recently that to worship God it is required we kneel to pray in the temple
I didnt know that
it is true.

 

[2Thewaters]

The holy spirit is a still small voice
Elijah heard it after a long fast
Jesus went into the desert so he could hear the spirit he fasted, longer than we ever did
so he could tell the difference between satan and holy spirit voice
FOLLOW ME
Jesus fasted
he said we would also
it is all in the bible
We should eat on the Sabbath
a bowl of soup or some bread and honey or some fruit
and it really makes a difference

Now I am not talking for the church
I am talking experience
when you have a light meal on Sabbath and keep it to one meal on that day
the spiritual filling of the holy spirit is much stronger.

 

[2Thewaters]

Why do you theink the enemy,
knowing all this
makes churches all come together and gorge on potluck?
Yes,
and why do you think his attack on america included fast food joints everywhere where you can eat 24 hours a day?
so you cant hear the holy spirit
that is why\

 

[buckets]

Why do you theink the enemy,
knowing all this
makes churches all come together and gorge on potluck?
Yes,
and why do you think his attack on america included fast food joints everywhere where you can eat 24 hours a day?
so you cant hear the holy spirit
that is why\

There is no fast food where I live! Not agreeing or disagreeing just a random fact I don't understand this thread. Sorry for getting involved just assume I was wrong.

I know salvation is frm Christ and understand the words in my KJV Bible that are in red the rest I guess I'm not old enough to get
continue on with your discussion Bible knowers
I will go talk on the non serious threads and when I get older and learn come back

 

[Isdaniel]

they bore circumcision quite easily.
that's not what the subject is.
the jews believed you couldn't even begin to keep the Law (including sabbaths) unless you were circumcised.

circumcision is short-hand for Paul saying - THE LAW....and anyone who denies that needs to go look again.

those of the circumcision are those UNDER THE LAW.

that is why he said - to those being deceived; bewitched by the Pharisees - if you submit to circumcision - as the first step on your way to supposedly keeping the law of Moses, Christ is of no effect for you, for you are then BOUND to keep THE WHOLE LAW.

not just the parts you cherry pick.

Galatians 2:21
I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

treating the grace of God, in delivering up HIS OWN SON as something contemptible!
saying in their hearts "there was no need for Christ to die", because i don't CARE what God said - I AM going to be made right before Him by keeping the WHOLE LAW.

what a sad day this is where people say they know The Lord...and just trample the blood of the COVENANT whereby they were (if they were) sanctified....no, they are sanctified by keeping the law..particularly staying home on saturday.

disgraceful.

you will continue to cherry pick hmmm did you know that the first five books were also called the law of Moses hmmmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

they bore circumcision quite easily.
that's not what the subject is.
the jews believed you couldn't even begin to keep the Law (including sabbaths) unless you were circumcised.

circumcision is short-hand for Paul saying - THE LAW....and anyone who denies that needs to go look again.

those of the circumcision are those UNDER THE LAW.

that is why he said - to those being deceived; bewitched by the Pharisees - if you submit to circumcision - as the first step on your way to supposedly keeping the law of Moses, Christ is of no effect for you, for you are then BOUND to keep THE WHOLE LAW.

not just the parts you cherry pick.

Galatians 2:21
I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

treating the grace of God, in delivering up HIS OWN SON as something contemptible!
saying in their hearts "there was no need for Christ to die", because i don't CARE what God said - I AM going to be made right before Him by keeping the WHOLE LAW.

what a sad day this is where people say they know The Lord...and just trample the blood of the COVENANT whereby they were (if they were) sanctified....no, they are sanctified by keeping the law..particularly staying home on saturday.

disgraceful.

Where in the bible says stay home on the sabbath ?

 

[buckets]

Everything I post is not my words but what is in the word of God
Count on it
If you want to know ever, just ask.

This is a lie I wrote him pm and asked questions, he did not answer any. Maybe I asked the wrong way but I wasn't meaning to ask wrong. If anyone wants I will share bothe what I asked and his responses.

My advice would be to not trust a lier. He did not answer a single question I asked. I even asked if I was wrong. Not one single answer besides "read your Bible" and something about if a donkey spoke The Holy Spirit's word I should listen to it.

Maybe this is all my fault cause I questioned him and asked which doctrine he learned this stuff he says from. I took it to pm to be respectful but bring it back here cause everyone deserves to see his good Christian spirit and attitude of teaching.

If what I am doing is wrong, please let me know. I read CC rules and to my knowledge what I said here is allowed. I have not lied or attacked anyone but said what happened.

Jesus said to not lie. I believe him.

 

[Rockbysea]

If the law belongs to old contract then Yeshua would not have said "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear FROM the Law until everything is accomplished"

Again…. people are not understanding (or understanding but they are paid to promote dissinfo) the difference between God’s Law which is spirit and a physical or spiritual contract.

First of all I'll repeat: God’s Law is spirit. God’s Law is His nature. They are one and the same which have always existed before the creation of heaven and earth.

Now notice Christ said: “disappear from the Law.” He said that it’s not the “Law” that will disappear when heaven and earth disappear but it’s the letter.... Meaning the old contract through which the “Law” (which is spirit) was expressed through will disappear FROM the Law but the LAW will still remain because the Law is spirit. The Law was always here because it’s God’s nature… it’s the way He is but the old contract was not always here.

The old physical contract with the letter and stroke of ink from the pen will continue to exist as long as the temporal heaven and earth exist. But as I said in other posts: the temporal heaven and earth will be wiped out (disappear). And when the temporal heaven and earth disappear the physical letter and the physical stroke of pen will also disappear but the Law will still remain because the “Law” is spirit.

But since Christ a new and better spiritual contract has been created for the very few children of God who are drawn by the Father. It’s not like the old physical contract made up of letter and pen and kept in a volt with the high priest who comes out once a year and reads it to the people. The children of God have received a new and better contract through which the Law (God’s nature) can be more appropriately expressed. The Law (God’s nature) can be more appropriately expressed because just like the Law the contract is also spirit. It's not locked in a vault waiting to be taken out once a year by the high priest to be read into the physical ears of the people. The children of God receive God’s Law (His nature) by the Holy Spirit through a spiritual contract where now God’s Law (His nature) gets written directly on the hearts of God’s children by the Holy Spirit. You can not fully right down God's nature no matter how much pen and paper you have and the physical ear and eye will never beable to aquire God's nature from the letter.

But those who insist on the old physical contract even with “the [largest] letter” and “the [greatest] stroke of a pen” have no hope of receiving God’s nature because they have set up a barrier (among many other barriers they have set up) between themselves and God (the Holy Spirit). The Holy Spirit can only operated through the new spiritual contract. They have entombed themselves within the temporal creation which has been slated for destruction (will disappear). And those who teach this doctrine of death saying that portions of the old letter must be observed for salvation are also slated for destruction.

 

[alexis]

There is no fast food where I live! Not agreeing or disagreeing just a random fact I don't understand this thread. Sorry for getting involved just assume I was wrong.

I know salvation is frm Christ and understand the words in my KJV Bible that are in red the rest I guess I'm not old enough to get
continue on with your discussion Bible knowers
I will go talk on the non serious threads and when I get older and learn come back

Little bits fret not, take nothing personal in The Bible discussion area. You are so close to God that his reflection on your beautiful face makes it hard to so much as glance at you. All I know about the love of Christ I first heard and saw in you. I am blessed to know you. Share what you know and my advice is don't respond to those who are blinded by your light.

Having read in The Bible I know what you once showed me Christ's love to be true. I'm not sure how many people here have lead others to Christ but I know you have.
Everytime some compliments me for loving others, I think of you the most loving person I know.
"may you always get your fill to eat and always keep that hunger' I hope you never lose that light in your eyes"
The teachers may know more scripture than you but they will never know Christ better.

As to the thread I repeat myself that observing the Sabbath is pleasing to God. However pleasing God does not change salvation. If it did He would not have sacrificed His only Son. Salvation is by the grace of God alone.

I say it often and always mean it but when I say it to you know it's just a little more special.

Little bits, buckets, Hannah, I LOVE YOU!
lexi

 

[john832]

No you didn't. You posted a bunch of stuff that really doesn't say much. One thing none of what you posted addressed is the fact that the meaning of the words sabbatismo and sabbatizo can only be derived from the context. This is proven by the verse examples that I gave, which show that these words can refer to weekly, 7-year, or festival sabbaths. The weekly sabbath is not even mentioned in Hebrews 4, so there is no automatic justification to assume sabbatismo refers to a weekly sabbath.

Call it a space shuttle if you want but the word Sabbatismos means a keeping of a Sabbath.

 

[john832]

There is no fast food where I live! Not agreeing or disagreeing just a random fact I don't understand this thread. Sorry for getting involved just assume I was wrong.

I know salvation is frm Christ and understand the words in my KJV Bible that are in red the rest I guess I'm not old enough to get
continue on with your discussion Bible knowers
I will go talk on the non serious threads and when I get older and learn come back

Quite frankly, you are QUITE able to understand this thread...

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.