For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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Did you take the time to read and investigate the verses I quoted? The word "among" in the context is H7130 which means midst, among, inner part, middle.
It doesn't even need a language expert to undertand this:
Was Yahweh teasing the people He loved that He only set His Holy Spirit among them but not in them so they could never obey because they could not "have" the Holy Spirit?
I plead you to read Isaiah 63:10-11 again - they grieved His Holy Spirit so Yahweh could not be found. Same then same in NT and thus Paul said: Do not grieve His Holy Spirit.
How to "have" the Holy Spirit? A
ccording to the scripture the Holy Spirit dwells in those who obey His words and leaves if one disobey continueously, if one hardens his heart.
The Israelites demonstrated this, so did king Saul and so did king David.
Yeshua said: if anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
It's only when one obeys His teaching.
Not only He endorses the law, He's made the standard of the law totally clear.
No wonder I'm so fixated on the law.
It doesn't even need a language expert to undertand this:
Was Yahweh teasing the people He loved that He only set His Holy Spirit among them but not in them so they could never obey because they could not "have" the Holy Spirit?
I plead you to read Isaiah 63:10-11 again - they grieved His Holy Spirit so Yahweh could not be found. Same then same in NT and thus Paul said: Do not grieve His Holy Spirit.
How to "have" the Holy Spirit? A
ccording to the scripture the Holy Spirit dwells in those who obey His words and leaves if one disobey continueously, if one hardens his heart.
The Israelites demonstrated this, so did king Saul and so did king David.
Yeshua said: if anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
It's only when one obeys His teaching.
Not only He endorses the law, He's made the standard of the law totally clear.
No wonder I'm so fixated on the law.
So are you in complete denial that the holy spirit was given in a different way at Pentecost than it was under the old covenant? That GOD's people are now baptized in holy spirit rather than being baptized unto Moses?
All [all under the old covenant who followed Moses] were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:2
John baptized with water, but you [my disciples who have followed me] will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5
All [all under the old covenant who followed Moses] were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:2
John baptized with water, but you [my disciples who have followed me] will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5
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My posts were to show you what "having" the Holy Spirit is about. It's not how the Holy Spirit is given. it's how the Holy Spirit functions - the same then, the same now so no one, no one in the past or the present can blame but himself if he failed to understand what Yahweh wants of us.
You quoted 1 Cor 10. You quoted very well. Let's read on. Paul said: they all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
It was Christ then, it is Christ now.
It was the same Spirit then, it is the same Spirit now.
You quoted 1 Cor 10. You quoted very well. Let's read on. Paul said: they all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
It was Christ then, it is Christ now.
It was the same Spirit then, it is the same Spirit now.
It boggles the mind, heart and soul how so many who believe, for now, do not study the entire Word, for Yeshua is the Word. How can anyone claim to know Him when they do not study Him¿? I know I am far from perfect, perfected, even in my understanding (I bet no one believes that last) but it is thrilling to know as much as possible about the Word, Salvation, from the "In the beginning" to the final "amen." I read over and over, and it is always new, and I know I will never understand all perfectly, but it is such a privilege to have the Word and to read It..........Thanks Chubbe..
That's correct, but the difference being that we are now free from bondage to the letter in order to serve in the spirit. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. It makes no sense to follow something that kills. And we don't have to because we have been freed from the letter. The spirit is now the law.
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The law is never a bondage. It's Yahweh's commandments given to those who choose to follow Him.
It becomes a bondage when it's misunderstood.
The keepers here happily keep sabbath and do not consider it a bondage.
It's the opponent here who made it a bondage by quoting the letter accusing keepers of breaking the law.
Do you remember who said keepers must keep the law to the "T" here?
It becomes a bondage when it's misunderstood.
The keepers here happily keep sabbath and do not consider it a bondage.
It's the opponent here who made it a bondage by quoting the letter accusing keepers of breaking the law.
Do you remember who said keepers must keep the law to the "T" here?
Sorry, I voted because I didn't read the poll carefully. But if I did celebrate on the Sabbath, for some unknown reason, I would still say it is not an issue affecting salvation, because we live under the new covenant and not under the old covenant and the law of the Gentiles.
I just couldn't read 50 pages in this post. Serves me right for going out of town and volunteering.
I just couldn't read 50 pages in this post. Serves me right for going out of town and volunteering.
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If the law belongs to old contract then Yeshua would not have said "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" and went on to expound the law.
I think some got observing sabbath to be saved backwards.
The "old" contract was not like that.
The Israelites were saved from the bondage of slavery in Egypt before they accepted the "old" contract, before they were able to take the day off.
I think some got observing sabbath to be saved backwards.
The "old" contract was not like that.
The Israelites were saved from the bondage of slavery in Egypt before they accepted the "old" contract, before they were able to take the day off.
no you don't understand.. through the holy spirit we are free from the physically ordinance of the letter instead of being righteous from the keeping of the letter God makes us righteous through his spirit, the word ordinance means " command or an order " if the bible said so won't you accept it? the problem is not alot of people felt the grace of God that's why they are clueless of what we are talking about
instead of saying someone is wrong that i've seen many of you done in this website which i'm still shocked at why not examine yourselves and say " how can this say something different than what i am doing and believe it " or why not just say you don't understand instead of saying the person is wrong because of what they wrote just something to think about, please. i was told by someone Jesus> Paul person was trying to say it doesn't matter whatever paul say it is irrelevant, now i know we are all smart people here and fair people i hope but look at that do you think that is right? are you questioning the creator because the bible states something different than what you are doing i URGE YOU to please EXAMINE yourself and work it out between yourselves you gotta admit to yourself that something isn't right, how could one part of the scripture say [h=3]Ephesians 2:15[/h]King James Version (KJV)
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
stop dodging and ignoring the facts and confront yourselves about this you think God isn't seeing anyone dodging this?
[h=3]Romans 8:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
can you see this? please stop dodging and IGNORING this just TALK TO GOD about it it's ok to say you don't understand what it means, WHY WOULD THE BIBLE SAY THE, THE FLESH WAS WEAK TO THE LAW SO GOD HAD TO SEND HIS SON? stop dodging and ignoring.. this is a life and death situation don't lose yourselves because you were too stubborn to admit to yourselves you don't understand and you need God to show you what it means, but do you see what God did he realize that the flesh was weak to the law which means it was unstable so he found a better testament through the death of Jesus christ and look what he does through his death,
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
please tell me atleast one person sees this and understands it...there is power in and through salvation that makes anyone born of God righteous immediately and God makes them walk upright and chastens them until they are a perfect being in christ
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
stop dodging and ignoring the facts and confront yourselves about this you think God isn't seeing anyone dodging this?
[h=3]Romans 8:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
can you see this? please stop dodging and IGNORING this just TALK TO GOD about it it's ok to say you don't understand what it means, WHY WOULD THE BIBLE SAY THE, THE FLESH WAS WEAK TO THE LAW SO GOD HAD TO SEND HIS SON? stop dodging and ignoring.. this is a life and death situation don't lose yourselves because you were too stubborn to admit to yourselves you don't understand and you need God to show you what it means, but do you see what God did he realize that the flesh was weak to the law which means it was unstable so he found a better testament through the death of Jesus christ and look what he does through his death,
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
please tell me atleast one person sees this and understands it...there is power in and through salvation that makes anyone born of God righteous immediately and God makes them walk upright and chastens them until they are a perfect being in christ
You nailed it brother! The flesh is the weak entity, not the law. The enmity was abolished, not the law.
Ephesians 2:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
The enmity was nailed to the cross through Christ Jesus, not the law as some might say. The enmity was revealed by the commandments in ordinances. "even" and "contained" are added words.
Good one, and I agree with you. God bless
Ephesians 2:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
The enmity was nailed to the cross through Christ Jesus, not the law as some might say. The enmity was revealed by the commandments in ordinances. "even" and "contained" are added words.
Good one, and I agree with you. God bless
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Do you even read the bible? What possibly gives goes through your mind to think that you know more than Peter did. He called bondage to the law unbearable. You simply choose not to believe what the bible says for the sake of your man-made religion.
So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke [of circumcision that binds them to the law of Moses] that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.” Acts 15:10-11
What paul was saying is man in the flesh can not keep the law on his own thus the israelite did the law outwardly but not from the heart . Thus Jesus died to send the comforter to dwell in man to keep the law in the spirit and not in the letter thus paul said that the righteouness of the law might be fulfilled or complete in us from the heart or the spirit .
It is you law keepers who have perverted the law of GOD and dishonor GOD by implying, or saying outright, that you are not required to keep the law perfectly. You conform GOD's law to your own wickedness and imagined threshold of obedience. GOD is not mocked. If you choose to follow law, you will be judged by it.
keep twisting scriptures to make it say what you want it to say, in the end it's gonna b between you and God, doesn't get any more clearer than what the scripture said, For what the law COULD NOT DO, in that it was weak through the flesh( BECAUSE OF THIS GOD SEND HIS SON) it's right there stop twisting the scripture to make it say what you want it to say
you forgot the comma and the " even " 
Ephesians 2:14-16 For He is the peace of us, the making both one, and the middle wall of partition having broken, the enmity in the flesh of Him, the law of the commandments in degrees, having abolished, that the two He created in Himself into one new man, making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross slaying the enmity in Himself.
This is interpreted in the same book as the following. Keep in mind that the law is instruction, and commandments are the actions endorsed by the instructions.
For He is our peace, He making both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition, annulling in His flesh the enmity, the law of commandment in degrees, that He might in Himself create the two into one new man making peace; and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, slaying the enmity in Himself.
Breaking the middle partition means that there was a division between two things.
Another translation different than the King James reads;
For he himself is our well-being - he has made us both one and has broken down the separation which divided us by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the law, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make peace, and in order to reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal and thus in himself killing that enmity.
Disannulleth=114 Greek to set aside by implying disesteem.
Galatians 3:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. (It will stand if it is confirmed)
Disannulling=115 Greek “set aside” to cancel or put away
Hebrews 7:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the **weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Romans 8:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The *disannulling of the commandment (actions of the law that demanded death) was because of the **weakness of the flesh, not the reconnoitering of God. The law was given for us to see that we once were separated, being a tool of God to show our weakness to be righteous within ourselves. It clarifies our need for salvation so it still needs to be in effect as God originally designed it to be. He doesn’t make mistakes. If the law were abolished, we could not be classified as the temple for the physical temple is gone. The division between God and man was torn at the death of Christ. If the law were abolished, there would be no instructions showing us how to love as was first written in Leviticus 19:18 and Deuteronomy 6:5. If the law were abolished then Jesus’ teaching would mean nothing, for all He taught was Old Testament before He died. God isn’t divided; it was us divided from Him, for He said a house divided against itself cannot stand. If Jesus had separated us from the law that would mean that Jesus is also separated from the instructions of His own Father, and the salvation instigated would not stand. Jesus never did say to His disciples; forget about what My father said, it’s my way now.
John 5:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
God doesn’t reconnoiter, otherwise He wouldn’t be perfect. The division described in these verses was certainly not the law, because my God would never make the law to separate Himself from the very human He created. The division was caused by our weakness, and Jesus took those infirmities and they were killed with Him on the cross.
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