For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[zone]

Actually Zone, where all that you have said here is true, if it effected the keeping of the seventh day Sabbath, why didn't it change until after the Apostles were all dead? That was the reason I started keeping the Seventh day instead of the first day, not at all because I thought it would make me more righteous, that has not changed. Hashem Tzidkeinu! I later learned about the error of Balaam(Num.22.12 wt 20 &

can you show me Paul keeping the Sabbath for the 14 years he was away from Israel?
please show ONE New testament commandment that Christians are to keep the Jewish sabbath>

just ONE.

show anywhere in the list of SIN in the New Testament (which is the Christian New Covenant guide for living) a single admonition aganist breaking the sabbath.

just ONE.

i'll gladly start placing emphasis on what the HEBREWS themselves were told were shadows - instead of focusing on the BODY (which cast the shadow), the SUBSTANCE, which belongs to CHRIST.

if you feel blessed by keeping a modified sabbath day - i do NOT condemn you for that.
just please don't call it the sabbath day given to Israel. it isn't.

 

[morninglory]

I am not under law, for I have Christ. You have to choose, to be with Christ or against Him.

Luke 12.48 "but he that knew not and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes--". I think it will be like Nineva "and should I not spare -- more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot tell between their left hand and their right, and also much cattle(Ecc.3.18.20, Ez..34.20).

 

[zone]

Luke 12.48 "but he that knew not and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes--". I think it will be like Nineva "and should I not spare -- more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot tell between their left hand and their right, and also much cattle(Ecc.3.18.20, Ez..34.20).

Ninevah was given opportunity to repent.
any commandment there for them to keep the sabbath as a condition?
show me that.

 

[zone]

Exodus 5
Making Bricks Without Straw
1Afterward Moses and Aaron went and said to Pharaoh, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Let my people go, that they may hold a feast to me in the wilderness.’” 2But Pharaoh said, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD, and moreover, I will not let Israel go.” 3Then they said, “The God of the Hebrews has met with us. Please let us go a three days’ journey into the wilderness that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God, lest he fall upon us with pestilence or with the sword.” 4But the king of Egypt said to them, “Moses and Aaron, why do you take the people away from their work? Get back to your burdens.” 5And Pharaoh said, “Behold, the people of the land are now many,a and you make them rest from their burdens!” 6The same day Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the people and their foremen, 7“You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks, as in the past; let them go and gather straw for themselves. 8But the number of bricks that they made in the past you shall impose on them, you shall by no means reduce it, for they are idle. Therefore they cry, ‘Let us go and offer sacrifice to our God.’ 9Let heavier work be laid on the men that they may labor at it and pay no regard to lying words.”

10So the taskmasters and the foremen of the people went out and said to the people, “Thus says Pharaoh, ‘I will not give you straw. 11Go and get your straw yourselves wherever you can find it, but your work will not be reduced in the least.’” 12So the people were scattered throughout all the land of Egypt to gather stubble for straw. 13The taskmasters were urgent, saying, “Complete your work, your daily task each day, as when there was straw.” 14And the foremen of the people of Israel, whom Pharaoh’s taskmasters had set over them, were beaten and were asked, “Why have you not done all your task of making bricks today and yesterday, as in the past?”

15Then the foremen of the people of Israel came and cried to Pharaoh, “Why do you treat your servants like this? 16No straw is given to your servants, yet they say to us, ‘Make bricks!’ And behold, your servants are beaten; but the fault is in your own people.” 17But he said, “You are idle, you are idle; that is why you say, ‘Let us go and sacrifice to the LORD.’ 18Go now and work. No straw will be given you, but you must still deliver the same number of bricks.” 19The foremen of the people of Israel saw that they were in trouble when they said, “You shall by no means reduce your number of bricks, your daily task each day.” 20They met Moses and Aaron, who were waiting for them, as they came out from Pharaoh; 21and they said to them, “The LORD look on you and judge, because you have made us stink in the sight of Pharaoh and his servants, and have put a sword in their hand to kill us.”

22Then Moses turned to the LORD and said, “O Lord, why have you done evil to this people? Why did you ever send me? 23For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in your name, he has done evil to this people, and you have not delivered your people at all.”

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any indication the Israelites stopped work on the 7th day while in Egypt?
where is it?

 

[morninglory]

I think more importantly People should understand what keeping the sabbath means.

This topic is so complex. I would venture to say even the sabbath keepers do not keep the sabbath to the "T" in all that was commanded. So in this context. I doubt there is a person here who keeps the sabbath. Thus according to the letter. we would all be sinners in this area. even if we deny we are

The following is my criterion; Isa.58.13 "If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my Holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the Holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words(Jer.23.35-37wt Heb.4.9-10).


Hashem Tzidkeinu

 

[morninglory]

Exodus 5

any indication the Israelites stopped work on the 7th day while in Egypt?
where is it?

No, but notice Ex.12.1-2 God had not yet given Israel their own calendar that has the seven day week.

 

[zone]

No, but notice Ex.12.1-2 God had not yet given Israel their own calendar that has the seven day week.

oh but wait...we have ppl saying Adam & Eve observed Sabbath. and Abram, and Noah.

 

[morninglory]

Ninevah was given opportunity to repent.
any commandment there for them to keep the sabbath as a condition?
show me that.

What was the standard for their repentence? show me that.

As I said in other posts, keeping the Sabbath is between the individual and God, anyone keeping it because they think it will make them righteous puts themselves back under the law. I personlly do not keep it as a commandment, but many who do and many who do not will call on the name of the Lord, and be saved.

 

[morninglory]

oh but wait...we have ppl saying Adam & Eve observed Sabbath. and Abram, and Noah.

Either I mis worded something, or you misunderstood something I said, or you have me confused with someone else. I seem to recall saying God rested on the seventh day, and the seventh day Sabbath was in honor of that, is that what you are referring to?

 

[zone]

Either I mis worded something, or you misunderstood something I said, or you have me confused with someone else.

i said: oh but wait...we have ppl saying Adam & Eve observed Sabbath. and Abram, and Noah.

those are the people who claim the Sinai sabbath is for christians....since it was instituted at the beginning of the world.
Abram was a gentile at the time.
as far as i know Adam wasn't circumcised.

 

[morninglory]

i said: oh but wait...we have ppl saying Adam & Eve observed Sabbath. and Abram, and Noah.

those are the people who claim the Sinai sabbath is for christians....since it was instituted at the beginning of the world.
Abram was a gentile at the time.
as far as i know Adam wasn't circumcised.

LOL We are both either too fast on the tirgger or too slow on editing. Peace

 

[chubbena]

I think more importantly People should understand what keeping the sabbath means.

This topic is so complex. I would venture to say even the sabbath keepers do not keep the sabbath to the "T" in all that was commanded. So in this context. I doubt there is a person here who keeps the sabbath. Thus according to the letter. we would all be sinners in this area. even if we deny we are

Just as no one could possibly obey the do not murder commandment to the "T" doesn't give us the right to kill.

 

[chubbena]

i said: oh but wait...we have ppl saying Adam & Eve observed Sabbath. and Abram, and Noah.

those are the people who claim the Sinai sabbath is for christians....since it was instituted at the beginning of the world.
Abram was a gentile at the time.
as far as i know Adam wasn't circumcised.

Do you think Adam & Eve observed Sabbath? If yes, why? If not, why not?

 

[Stephen63]

Did you ever wonder why circumcision was the big deal with Judiazers instead of Sabbath keeping in the book of Acts? Because circumcision was started with Abraham, not in the Law. The church met on the Lord's day & the Judiazers never cried about it. Why? Because they understood the Law was fulfilled in Christ. What They didn't understand was that circuncision no longer mattered either, but only believing & walking with Christ, the circumcising of the heart, not of the flesh. This was now the true circumcision.

Genesis 17:7-14 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Romans 2:28-29 (KJV) [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Do you not know that to 'keeping the Sabbath' means keeping ALL the law of the sabbath that Moses taught, & not just Saturday worship?

Sabbath keeping was never a problem with the Jews after the birth of the church, neither should it be today.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is belief that before the laws were given formally to Moses, there were laws handed down by means of oral tradition. Since Moses was commissioned to write down the Words of Yahweh so man would know once and for all what the laws were, anything previous to that is moot, unless someone is strictly seeking to be arguimentative.

Because the written Word is our Guide for all wisdom, there is no question about what we should do regarding obedience of all that is good. The question can only exist for those weak in the faith of Abraham, or new to the faith of Abraham. However even when I was new my new nature could not truthfully deny the Sabbath of the Lord at any level.

Do you think Adam & Eve observed Sabbath? If yes, why? If not, why not?

 

[zone]

Do you think Adam & Eve observed Sabbath? If yes, why? If not, why not?

show it to me in the bible.

 

[zone]

There is belief that before the laws were given formally to Moses, there were laws handed down by means of oral tradition. Since Moses was commissioned to write down the Words of Yahweh so man would know once and for all what the laws were, anything previous to that is moot, unless someone is strictly seeking to be arguimentative.

Because the written Word is our Guide for all wisdom, there is no question about what we should do regarding obedience of all that is good. The question can only exist for those weak in the faith of Abraham, or new to the faith of Abraham. However even when I was new my new nature could not truthfully deny the Sabbath of the Lord at any level.

and, you can not show Abram being commanded to observe a sabbath either, so you know not of what you speak.

 

[RedTent]

and, you can not show Abram being commanded to observe a sabbath either, so you know not of what you speak.

You are as clever with scripture as the devil was when he tempted Christ in the wilderness, but those who love the Lord are not fooled by your reasoning.

If Abraham knew the Lord, and the Lord told of the Sabbath at the week of creation, I think this bit of "scripture" you give isn't going to stand up, either.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just as no one could possibly obey the do not murder commandment to the "T" doesn't give us the right to kill.

I never said it was now did I.

My point is, Those who are judging people because they think they do not follow the sabbath have no right to judge. Because if we follow the letter of the law. They who judge are most likely guilty themselves.

Judge not lest ye be judged comes to mind

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The following is my criterion; Isa.58.13 "If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my Holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the Holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words(Jer.23.35-37wt Heb.4.9-10).


Hashem Tzidkeinu

Thats a good place to start.

But the law says not even to prepair food on the sabbath How many of us obey aspect this law?