For then shall be great tribulation

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eternally-gratefull

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Hi, EG:)

not sure what you meant
there, but just in terms of deaths?

under chairman Mao between 34 and 63 million
people were killed.
Stalin had conservatively 23 million murdered...some say as many as 60 million.
Pol Pot killed 2.5 million...
as horrible as WW2 was,

old Adolph just pales in comparison to those guys.

When we look at tribulation, we look at wars.. Yes. many more people died. But as far as wartime and destruction.. they do not even compare. Look at revelation and the things it speaks off.. This is tribulation.

look at all the christians and heretics rome killed. I do not think that is what Gabriel and Christ were talking about..
 

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How many people are judaism and pagan christianity now murdering in cold blood? Right now, Islam is killing millions, 2,000,000 in the Sudan alone. And in London and suburbs, approximately 3000 honor murders last year with few perpetrators being brought to justice. A few honor killings in this country, too. I haven't heard of any Jews or Christians doing that, regardless of how pagan they might be. <smile>
That is an ignorant statement.

How many people are being killed while they are being "liberated" ?
 
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How many people are judaism and pagan christianity now murdering in cold blood? Right now, Islam is killing millions, 2,000,000 in the Sudan alone. And in London and suburbs, approximately 3000 honor murders last year with few perpetrators being brought to justice. A few honor killings in this country, too. I haven't heard of any Jews or Christians doing that, regardless of how pagan they might be. <smile>
Look at what the roman church did for many years.. I do not think they even come close.

The beast is a world empire. which resembles rome. Not a religion which has no empire.
 

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Some of us here sit in the countries that fly a white flag where anything goes in the name of "peace and safety"

i'm ashamed where once i was proud.
 

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1948 is meaningful but not for the reasons some here have come to accept.
 
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Do you believe Christians should go to war with islam for the cause of Israel?
Many are led to. It's a historic given: if earlier brethren had not fought for the Christian faith at the Battle of Tours or the Battle of Vienna, Islam would have swept through Europe unopposed. If that had happened, you and your family would now be praying to an Islamic god, bowing to Mecca and there would be no Christian Church today.
 

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Whatever any of us do let it not be "hate".

Whatever comes to pass let us be like those who came before us and call out Father forgive them, they know not what they do.
 

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Many are led to. It's a historic given: if earlier brethren had not fought for the Christian faith at the Battle of Tours or the Battle of Vienna, Islam would have swept through Europe unopposed. If that had happened, you and your family would now be praying to an Islamic god, bowing to Mecca and there would be no Christian Church today.
i was not born to serve anyone but the Almighty God and the Messiah.
 
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Therapon

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Some of us here sit in the countries that fly a white flag where anything goes in the name of "peace and safety"

i'm ashamed where once i was proud.
Me too. <sigh> Come quickly Lord Jesus!
 
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Look at what the roman church did for many years.. I do not think they even come close.

The beast is a world empire. which resembles rome. Not a religion which has no empire.
The Scarlet beast is Satan himself, the world empires of the seven heads, but I'm not going to debate it. Read my book.
 
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The Scarlet beast is Satan himself, the world empires of the seven heads, but I'm not going to debate it. Read my book.
why read the book when I can read the bible?

the seven heaqds are the final form of the roman empire.. Read daniel..
 

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The Scarlet beast is Satan himself, the world empires of the seven heads, but I'm not going to debate it. Read my book.
Ellis, do you not think that the Almighty gives us enough insight in the Book he gave us?
 
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1948 is meaningful but not for the reasons some here have come to accept.
1948 and the restoration of the nation of Israel fulfills more Bible prophecy than almost any other event during the Christian era.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Many are led to. It's a historic given: if earlier brethren had not fought for the Christian faith at the Battle of Tours or the Battle of Vienna, Islam would have swept through Europe unopposed. If that had happened, you and your family would now be praying to an Islamic god, bowing to Mecca and there would be no Christian Church today.
oh ye of little faith.

God does not need humans to fight his wars. Anyone who wants can be saved, and they will be saved, Many men were saved during the jewish idolotry days.. would be no different than if we all lived in islamic nations..
 

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1948 and the restoration of the nation of Israel fulfills more Bible prophecy than almost any other event during the Christian era.
So what is stopping them living in peace?
 

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One more time: Revelation is chiasmic, the whole book is composed of two ABC=CBA chiasms so its prophecies are 12 parallel pictures of the Christian era. This paper explains the concept: http://www.fishhouseministries.com/p...ds_Chiasms.pdf.

You can Blar Blar Blar until the end of time and quote Revelation in red until you're blue in the face, but you will continue to make interpretive errors because you do not understand the Hebrew poetic form in which Revelation was written. I have been trying my best to help you learn that structure, but you continue pontificating without that knowledge. You cannot come to truth by ignoring the basic hermeneutic rules of interpretation understood by every theologian on the planet.

see ellis, when you start with the wrong (a bad) foundation, your brick by brick thingee doesn't work no matter what you do.
you have to wrench everything to make it fit.

i'll deal with your cooked chiasms in Revelation later.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1948 and the restoration of the nation of Israel fulfills more Bible prophecy than almost any other event during the Christian era.
I would disagree. 70 AD was more prophesy than 1948. It was prophesy fulfilled. 1948 at the most is the START of a fulfilment. Not even close.
 

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We must come to accept that all things come to pass for the Harvest and that it is about making peace with Heavenly Father and not for Heavenly Father.

We will witness the outcome of rebellion and the self destruction of mankind when they try to govern themselves.
 

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On that note let us make sure we have the full armour of God on at all times.

Peace and Love to you all.
 

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How many people are judaism and pagan christianity now murdering in cold blood?
yuck...you gotta be kiddin'.:(

Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


perpetual 'war on terror' - which is just wars for israel (500MEGANUKES at Dimona, stolen tech from the US), and we share the loot.

xtian-zionist america & israel funded Saddam's war with Iran; x-tian-zionists and israel responsible for Iraq I & II wars; Afghanistan; Libya; Egypt; Syria; ad nauseum....

How many people are judaism and pagan christianity now murdering in cold blood?
DO THE MATH ellis. you like MATH.


israel and the PNAC NEOCONS did 9-11, not mooslims wit boxcutters:rolleyes:






"I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” "

General Wesley Clark
Retired 4-star U.S. Army General
Supreme Allied Commander of NATO 1999




do a body count ELLIS.
all those dead people are mostly MUSLIMS.
what smart mooslims - pull off 9-11 and get slaughtered.
and DU'ed. oh ya.....good deal for them.

but we've demonized and dehumanized them for so long WE DON'T CARE.

and we see this JUNK right out of Central Casting and gobble it up:






Busby: US depleted uranium ammo behind Iraq birth defects spike
Published on Oct 15, 2012
A new study's revealed a staggering rise in birth defects among Iraqi children conceived in the aftermath of the US led war.
The findings were published by the Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology.
It's suggested American and British ammunition has caused high rates of miscarriages and birth defects - including in the heart and brain.
Professor Christopher Busby from the European Committee on Radiation Risks believes the invaders should take responsibility for what they did.


does anyone care?

you talk alot about GROUP THINK ellis.
but i know what it really is....you don't.



for anyone who can still think for themselves, and wants to know WHY people shrink back into denial in the face of reality:



Guns and Butter, for July 18, 2012 - 1:00pm

"Why the Facts of 9/11 Must Be Suppressed - Understanding the Ruling Group Mind Behind the War Without End."
Dr. John McMurtry

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