For then shall be great tribulation

[zone]

"If the Dome of the Rock is the Abomination that makes Desolate, and Daniel's 70th Week is about that dome, then the 70th week has to stretch into the past and future from 688AD when the dome was constructed. So how long can the 70th week be?"
Pg 5 Daniel’s 70th Week

huh?
why you have to have the DOR be the AOD?

why do you assume the liberty to do this?:

"then the 70th week has to stretch into the past and future"

really.....

Daniel 9
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

seven, week

Or shabuan {shaw-boo'-ah}; also (feminine) shbu.ah {sheb-oo-aw'}; properly, passive participle of shaba' as a denominative of sheba'; literal, sevened, i.e. A week (specifically, of years) -- seven, week.

week
shabuwa` (shaw-boo'-ah)
literal, sevened, i.e. a week (specifically, of years) -- seven, week.



it specifically says one week - singular (of 7 years).
the other verses use a plural form, because they discuss WEEK(S) plural.
why do you IMPLY the 70th week is plural?

 

[weakness]

I didn't critique your work I think I said that.And I don't know If any body Is, seeing much of it is sealed according to Danial. only that we all Know in part," it does not concern me much, interps and knowledge we all have at time whether correct or not" Im glad you give some away.

 

[Therapon]

Blar Blar Blar

have you got any scripture for any of that?
I will never be on that page with you.
40 years of study and you still come up short every post

One more time: Revelation is chiasmic, the whole book is composed of two ABC=CBA chiasms so its prophecies are 12 parallel pictures of the Christian era. This paper explains the concept: http://www.fishhouseministries.com/p...ds_Chiasms.pdf.

You can Blar Blar Blar until the end of time and quote Revelation in red until you're blue in the face, but you will continue to make interpretive errors because you do not understand the Hebrew poetic form in which Revelation was written. I have been trying my best to help you learn that structure, but you continue pontificating without that knowledge. You cannot come to truth by ignoring the basic hermeneutic rules of interpretation understood by every theologian on the planet.

 

[Therapon]

I didn't critique your work I think I said that.And I don't know If any body Is, seeing much of it is sealed according to Danial. only that we all Know in part," it does not concern me much, interps and knowledge we all have at time whether correct or not" Im glad you give some away.

We give thousands of books away, we are not a business but a ministry so the Lord provides for us. Amazon may sell a couple of hundred books a year, but that hardly makes them a profit center. Though many have, it's not important if we are critiqued by officialdom. Matter of fact, considering the present condition of the established churches in the West, a negative assessment would probably be a good sign. <wry smile>

 

[Therapon]

I didn't critique your work I think I said that.And I don't know If any body Is, seeing much of it is sealed according to Danial. only that we all Know in part," it does not concern me much, interps and knowledge we all have at time whether correct or not" Im glad you give some away.

I just read your profile, I for one will pray for you. May our beloved Lord indeed bless you, brother.

 

[Therapon]

ellis, are all prophetic days to be taken for years, and is this a universal principle?

does this include months, since months are made of days?
Pg 52, The False Prophet

and are all days to be interpreted as years, since years are made of days - i.e.: the 70th week?

Daniel was a Jew raised under the Levitical code, so we should look at Daniel's prophecy from Daniel's knowledge base, the Levitical code!!! One seven, followed by seven sevens, followed by a jubilee year with 360 Sabbaths. Now look at the 70 weeks, One seven or "shavuim," followed by 62 "shavuim" followed by one unique "shavua." Different numbers, but the numeric progression is the same. So is it possible that this unique "shavua" is like the jubilee year with 360 Sabbeths?

If so you multiply that "shabua" or 7 x 360 and you get 2520 Hebrew years or 2484 solar years, which (by some coincidental fluke according to you) fits history exactly.

So lets read Daniel 9:29 again looking t that verse in a Levitical light, with the possibility that this final Seven was Fulfilled in 1948 by the new nation of Israel.

Daniel 9:27 "But he (a satanic prince) will confirm a covenant with many (Jewish people) for one seven (2520 prophetic, i.e., 2484 solar years), but in the middle of that seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering (by making the temple mount spiritually desolate), and one who causes desolations (the satanic spirit behind Islam) will place abominations (the Dome of the Rock) on a wing of the temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Now doesn’t that fit Scripture and recorded history a whole lot better then an imaginary seven-year tribulation?

 

[loveme1]

Therapon, do you think that islam is the only enemy?

 

[jonrambo]

*COUGH - Jesuits Illuminati Freemasons UN Rockerfellers Rothchilds - *cough scuse me

 

[loveme1]

In a quest to deflect attention and deceive people could islam not be a decoy?

 

[jonrambo]

i think islam is one of satans million tools no matter who he uses the outcome will be the same biblical picture in the long run

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel was a Jew raised under the Levitical code, so we should look at Daniel's prophecy from Daniel's knowledge base, the Levitical code!!! One seven, followed by seven sevens, followed by a jubilee year with 360 Sabbaths. Now look at the 70 weeks, One seven or "shavuim," followed by 62 "shavuim" followed by one unique "shavua." Different numbers, but the numeric progression is the same. So is it possible that this unique "shavua" is like the jubilee year with 360 Sabbeths?

If so you multiply that "shabua" or 7 x 360 and you get 2520 Hebrew years or 2484 solar years, which (by some coincidental fluke according to you) fits history exactly.

So lets read Daniel 9:29 again looking t that verse in a Levitical light, with the possibility that this final Seven was Fulfilled in 1948 by the new nation of Israel.

Daniel 9:27 "But he (a satanic prince) will confirm a covenant with many (Jewish people) for one seven (2520 prophetic, i.e., 2484 solar years), but in the middle of that seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering (by making the temple mount spiritually desolate), and one who causes desolations (the satanic spirit behind Islam) will place abominations (the Dome of the Rock) on a wing of the temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Now doesn’t that fit Scripture and recorded history a whole lot better then an imaginary seven-year tribulation?

No.

1. If there is no temple. there is no abomination
2. No seven year treaty was signed in 1948
3. The future prince will come from Rome. not from the UN.
4. He will break that peace midway into the treaty. by commiting the abomination which causes desolation
5. Jesus said clearly, immediately after, there will be great tribulation such as never as been before or after.

1948 followed WW2, the worst tribulation this world had seen. in order for it to have been the tribulation. the years following would have to be more severe than the years before it.

the logic and the things prophesied do not fit.

 

[Therapon]

Oh, I forgot to mention, the above quote is from the NIV, so here it is again . . .

Daniel 9:27 NIV "But he (a satanic prince) will confirm a covenant with many (Jewish people) for one seven (2520 prophetic, i.e., 2484 solar years), but in the middle of that seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering (by making the temple mount spiritually desolate), and one who causes desolations (the satanic spirit behind Islam) will place abominations (the Dome of the Rock) on a wing of the temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Now doesn’t that interpretation fit Scripture and recorded history a whole lot better then an imaginary seven-year tribulation, for which there is no historic support whatsoever?

 

[Therapon]

Therapon, do you think that islam is the only enemy?

Of course not, but scripturally they are a major enemy during the Christian era, particularly during the end-times.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, I forgot to mention, the above quote is from the NIV, so here it is again . . .

Daniel 9:27 NIV "But he (a satanic prince) will confirm a covenant with many (Jewish people) for one seven (2520 prophetic, i.e., 2484 solar years), but in the middle of that seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering (by making the temple mount spiritually desolate), and one who causes desolations (the satanic spirit behind Islam) will place abominations (the Dome of the Rock) on a wing of the temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Now doesn’t that interpretation fit Scripture and recorded history a whole lot better then an imaginary seven-year tribulation, for which there is no historic support whatsoever?

better yet;

Daniel 9:27 NIV "But he (The prince who is to come, from the people who destroyed the city in 70 AD) ) will confirm a covenant with many (Many nations) for one seven 7years, but in the middle of that seven, (3.5 years) he will put an end to sacrifice and offering (By placing the abominal thing in the most holy place see matt 24) and one who causes desolations The future prince will place abominations (An Idol of some king which will cause desolation according to the jewish people) on a wing of the temple, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (the end, or Gods wrath, is poured out on the one who causes desolation and according to daniel speaks blasphemies.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course not, but scripturally they are a major enemy during the Christian era, particularly during the end-times.

would not judaism, and pagan christianity be just as much a major enemy, if not moreso then ISLAM? Islam does not even come close to matching the jewish God of the OT.. people looking for that God would not follow Islam. thus it is really not to great a danger to Christianity.. more so to God than us.

 

[loveme1]

Of course not, but scripturally they are a major enemy during the Christian era, particularly during the end-times.

Do you believe Christians should go to war with islam for the cause of Israel?

 

[Therapon]

In a quest to deflect attention and deceive people could islam not be a decoy?

Well, look at it this way: prior to WW2, no one gave Islam a second thought, now there are 60 million Muslims in Europe, over a million in London alone and approximately 9 million here. If that's a decoy, it's a whale of a good one. Furthermore, Scripture says the Roman Church will be destroyed by the 10 horns of the Scarlet beast, Revelation 17:16-18 . . .

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (the apostate church), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (Rome), which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

 

[psychomom]

1948 followed WW2, the worst tribulation this world had seen.

Hi, EG

not sure what you meant there, but just in terms of deaths?

under chairman Mao between 34 and 63 million people were killed.
Stalin had conservatively 23 million murdered...some say as many as 60 million.
Pol Pot killed 2.5 million...
as horrible as WW2 was,

old Adolph just pales in comparison to those guys.

 

[loveme1]

Well, look at it this way: prior to WW2, no one gave Islam a second thought, now there are 60 million Muslims in Europe, over a million in London alone and approximately 9 million here. If that's a decoy, it's a whale of a good one. Furthermore, Scripture says the Roman Church will be destroyed by the 10 horns of the Scarlet beast, Revelation 17:16-18 . . .

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore (the apostate church), and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city (Rome), which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Yes, so the muslims have not had to fight their way in they were invited to come and live among us....

Is that not interesting in itself?

That they did not have to invade they were invited through the door?

When people play with fire they get burnt.

if you create a monster for your own use that turns around and bites you because it grew too big for you..

 

[Therapon]

would not judaism, and pagan christianity be just as much a major enemy, if not moreso then ISLAM? Islam does not even come close to matching the jewish God of the OT.. people looking for that God would not follow Islam. thus it is really not to great a danger to Christianity.. more so to God than us.

How many people are judaism and pagan christianity now murdering in cold blood? Right now, Islam is killing millions, 2,000,000 in the Sudan alone. And in London and suburbs, approximately 3000 honor murders last year with few perpetrators being brought to justice. A few honor killings in this country, too. I haven't heard of any Jews or Christians doing that, regardless of how pagan they might be. <smile>