For then shall be great tribulation

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Therapon

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You know guys, god is leading me somewhere with this whole end times thing. All i know is that when he reveals to me the truth i am seeking and what is really happening here most of you will refuse to believe it.
I know the feeling. <wry smile> And you have asked the right question. I asked the same question of the Lord 40 years ago. The result? The Lord led me to sell my quite successful business and dedicate my full time to the study of is prophetic word. I didn't learn all the answers, but I learned a few. If you download the 2013 edition of the Bible prophecy Study Guide from the homepage of www.ellisskolfield.com and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
 
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Therapon

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But who just has problems correctly dividing the word of truth, especially prophetic truth and so ends up with prophetic delusions...
You know brother, "I'm just a herdsmen and a gatherer of sycamore fruit," but somehow it never occurs to people that it might be their doctrine that is wrong.
 

Blain

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God doesn't go around giving other people revelations. There is ONE Revelation. It is the vision of John. That is all we need.
You can also seek the truth if you read the bible and rely on the bible. Not conspiracy theories.
Actually he does, he gave me many revelations just because i asked and had faith in him. And i do not have the understanding yet to decipher Johns revelations, so i am asking god to interpret it for me according to the world today. Also the conspiracy theories are exactly why i seek the truth, not from what other ppl say, not from what i see but what he and his word reveals to me. God will not lie and if it is his will he will show me the truth, conspiracy theories has nothing to do with what i am doing except i saw them as theories and I want to know the truth. I remember god telling me once he will show me the deep things of god, I also know that things of god are never what anyone expects them to be. Jesus was not what everyone expected for one, they expected him to be a king and lord over the earth, But he came to establish the kingdom of heaven not earth. Speaking of heaven the kingdom of heaven was also something no one expected. They expected it to be in the sky and heavens but Jesus came to establish the kingdom of heaven that is inside us and all around us. So i assume the truth of all this is also not what everyone expects it to be, No one believes the rapture could occur any day. No one believes the tribulation is going to happen in 2013, in fact most ppl do not even believe the most important thing to being a true christian. It's going to be like noah and the flood, no one will be expecting it and noah was trying to tell everyone what was going to happen but no one believed him. The truth will only be revealed to those who earnestly seek and ask for it, even now a lot of ppl do not believe me about the end times and thats okay Jesus said to expect that. But what if i am right? what if the tribulation will begin this year? what if the rapture really can happen today or tomorrow? what if say that chip really does come to pass and is the mark of the beast? what if i am right about scripture being fulfilled and we are at the end of the road here? I remember in my rapture dream time was up and we were going to be raptured. I had asked for a rapture dream and god answered.
 
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peterT

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#44
In my opinion, sir, you're confusing what man says God's Word says with what God's Word actually says.

That Satan is going to set up a world kingdom under Antichrist cannot be found anywhere in the Bible! If I have missed it somehow, show me chapter and verse.
Rv13:5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And he causeth ALL both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

This is NOT a rogue nation or a rebels of society, this is a dominant force that will have power over ALL the nations
 
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peterT

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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Which of the only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists (quoted above) supports the view that antichrist is an end time world leader?

I understand many believe it to be because of what John said in 1 John2:18 when he said “ye have heard that antichrist shall come’. Sadly many fail to realize John also told us exactly who/what that antichrist was in 1John4:3 when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come
But you don’t even believe in these verses brother

For you teach not everyone is antichrist that confesses NOT Jesus with their mouth.

You teach not everyone is a liar that denieth that Jesus is the Christ.

You teach not everyone is a deceivers who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

So how can we believe what you preach, if you don’t even believe in what you preach
 
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doulos

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But you don’t even believe in these verses brother

For you teach not everyone is antichrist that confesses NOT Jesus with their mouth.

You teach not everyone is a liar that denieth that Jesus is the Christ.

You teach not everyone is a deceivers who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

So how can we believe what you preach, if you don’t even believe in what you preach
peterT why not show us the verse that says antichrist is a world leader? I am sorry you are not capable of reconciling the Scriptures concerning those who have been given the spirit of slumber until the fulness of the gentiles has come in. I'll keep you in my prayers and hopefully one day you will be capable of contributing something productive to the discussion instead of continuously promoting the futurists doctrine of men that makes the word of God of none effect.
 

Elizabeth619

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Actually he does, he gave me many revelations just because i asked and had faith in him. And i do not have the understanding yet to decipher Johns revelations,
God does not give us everything we ask for. He knows what we need, and he will give to us according to HIS will. Not ours. Asking for "revelations" is not something God will give you because you ask.

1 John 5:14-15 [SUP]14 [/SUP]This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.

so i am asking god to interpret it for me according to the world today
If you cannot understand what was written 2000 years ago why do you think you can understand something else? If you had understanding you would realize that God doesn't work in the way you speak of.
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Also the conspiracy theories are exactly why i seek the truth, not from what other ppl say, not from what i see but what he and his word reveals to me
We are told not to buy in to conspiracy theories. Believing them can lead one to rebel against authority in an unrighteous way due to paranoia. We are to submit to authority. Not rebel because we THINK it is a "sign of the end"
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivityevery thought to the obedience of Christ

(NIV) Isaiah 8:12 "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.

. God will not lie and if it is his will he will show me the truth, conspiracy theories has nothing to do with what i am doing except i saw them as theories and I want to know the truth.
Then open your bible. There you will find all the truth you need.
I remember god telling me once he will show me the deep things of god, I also know that things of god are never what anyone expects them to be. Jesus was not what everyone expected for one, they expected him to be a king and lord over the earth, But he came to establish the kingdom of heaven not earth. Speaking of heaven the kingdom of heaven was also something no one expected. They expected it to be in the sky and heavens but Jesus came to establish the kingdom of heaven that is inside us and all around us. So i assume the truth of all this is also not what everyone expects it to be, No one believes the rapture could occur any day. No one believes the tribulation is going to happen in 2013, in fact most ppl do not even believe the most important thing to being a true christian. It's going to be like noah and the flood, no one will be expecting it and noah was trying to tell everyone what was going to happen but no one believed him. The truth will only be revealed to those who earnestly seek and ask for it, even now a lot of ppl do not believe me about the end times and thats okay Jesus said to expect that. But what if i am right? what if the tribulation will begin this year? what if the rapture really can happen today or tomorrow? what if say that chip really does come to pass and is the mark of the beast? what if i am right about scripture being fulfilled and we are at the end of the road here? I remember in my rapture dream time was up and we were going to be raptured. I had asked for a rapture dream and god answered.
The rapture you talk about was a theory thought up by a man named John Darby in the 1800s. This belief was never taught before that. It has been disproven many times, but people choose not to believe it. If you're visions/dreams or whatever you call them are from God then why are you saying "what if"?
People have tried to explain to you and many others about the current conspiracy theories going around. The ones you mention that you feel is part of biblical prophecy yet you refuse to accept what it they say. You claim you don't understand, and when people that do have understanding try to show you what things mean you reject it. Is it because it isn't what you want to hear?
Not even Jesus gave his apostles the exact date of the end. He even said only The Father knows when the day of the Lord will be. This tells us not to ASK for these answers.
Remember Harold Camping? A man who predicted the rapture for May 21, 2011? He misled many. He is a false prophet. He even admitted he was wrong, and asked for forgiveness. He learned the hard way. A woman who believed camping was so scared of the rapture she was arrested for slitting her 14 year old daughters throat in fear they would be left behind.
Predicting such events, and even believing them is a very dangerous thing. No one will know a prophecy is fulfilled until it happens. You cannot predict dates. You cannot predict what WILL happen. The last book of the bible is Revelation. It marks the end of the NT gospels. It is THE ONE AND ONLY REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. Everything all Christians need to know is in the scriptures. Read them. Understand the,. Don't ask for more when you cannot even understand the other.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Fortunately brother, you are incorrect. Scripture tells us there will be many antichrists, but one big bad dude we'll know as "The Antichrist?" No such personage can be found in the Bible! If I've missed it somehow, show me. Oh, there are many verses we interpret to be about the Antichrist, but no direct Scriptural support.
 

jb

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...somehow it never occurs to people that it might be their doctrine that is wrong.
Remember, when you point your index finger at a person, your thumb (with a little movement) points back at you! :p
 
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peterT

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I'll keep you in my prayers and hopefully one day you will be capable of contributing something productive to the discussion instead of continuously promoting the futurists doctrine of men that makes the word of God of none effect.
That’s not a prayer brother that’s a stab, don’t you know the difference yet


And it’s not you pulling me up for re-writing scripture, it’s me puling you up for re-writing scripture


Do the math
 
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CDavid

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With so much division of thought on end time prophecy, what is prudent?
Should those expecting to fly away go about life all happy, happy, joy, joy, tough luck for Gods elect, they will have to fend for themselves? (Or should they,out of Christian love, set aside provisions for the elect?)
Will those thinking the tribulation is only 5 month be prepared, when it last 7 years?
Are those who deny the existence of the antichrist or Satan correct, and there is no need for concern? (This to me sounds like exactly what Satan wants us to believe)
Are we all as Gods elect, to be persecuted during the great tribulation? (Are we as the elect prepared?)
Is all Bible prophecy a thing of the past? (If this be the case we must be living in the millennium.)

At any rate, what is prudent?
Ben Franklin is quoted to having said; "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best"
Is it time to apply some Ben Franklin style logical thinking?
 
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Therapon

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Remember, when you point your index finger at a person, your thumb (with a little movement) points back at you! :p
No problem, I've known that all along. But still, did it ever occur to you that dispensationalism might be wrong? That occurred to me and guess what? I found that it was wrong.
 
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Blain

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God does not give us everything we ask for. He knows what we need, and he will give to us according to HIS will. Not ours. Asking for "revelations" is not something God will give you because you ask.

1 John 5:14-15 [SUP]14 [/SUP]This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.


If you cannot understand what was written 2000 years ago why do you think you can understand something else? If you had understanding you would realize that God doesn't work in the way you speak of.
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We are told not to buy in to conspiracy theories. Believing them can lead one to rebel against authority in an unrighteous way due to paranoia. We are to submit to authority. Not rebel because we THINK it is a "sign of the end"
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivityevery thought to the obedience of Christ

(NIV) Isaiah 8:12 "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.


Then open your bible. There you will find all the truth you need.

The rapture you talk about was a theory thought up by a man named John Darby in the 1800s. This belief was never taught before that. It has been disproven many times, but people choose not to believe it. If you're visions/dreams or whatever you call them are from God then why are you saying "what if"?
People have tried to explain to you and many others about the current conspiracy theories going around. The ones you mention that you feel is part of biblical prophecy yet you refuse to accept what it they say. You claim you don't understand, and when people that do have understanding try to show you what things mean you reject it. Is it because it isn't what you want to hear?
Not even Jesus gave his apostles the exact date of the end. He even said only The Father knows when the day of the Lord will be. This tells us not to ASK for these answers.
Remember Harold Camping? A man who predicted the rapture for May 21, 2011? He misled many. He is a false prophet. He even admitted he was wrong, and asked for forgiveness. He learned the hard way. A woman who believed camping was so scared of the rapture she was arrested for slitting her 14 year old daughters throat in fear they would be left behind.
Predicting such events, and even believing them is a very dangerous thing. No one will know a prophecy is fulfilled until it happens. You cannot predict dates. You cannot predict what WILL happen. The last book of the bible is Revelation. It marks the end of the NT gospels. It is THE ONE AND ONLY REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. Everything all Christians need to know is in the scriptures. Read them. Understand the,. Don't ask for more when you cannot even understand the other.
Actually the rapture is taught in the bible it's just not named the rapture, the word rapture is a man made word for the event. Also i am curious, you say god does not give us revelations because we ask correct? And yet he does all the time just because i asked and had FAITH that if it was his will he would. It's also true no one can know the date it is to go down, but we do know the season. And just because i am not able to understand scripture very well means nothing,I know who god is and what it takes to be a christian because he himself taught me. For most of my walk in christ i could not understand scripture so what did god do? he taught me in a way only i could learn. I know my flaws and weaknesses, but i also know his voice and when he is leading me, I am glad you and many others are able to understand scripture but i have only been a christian for nine months so you will have to cut me some slack. And by the way when you say we cannot predict what is going to happen you are correct, but god can and does reveal it us. And I say what if because i do not know for certain yet, i only know they are going to happen weither ppl believe it or not. And these visions and dreams are certainly from god that's for sure, i don't understand why you are getting so upset about this though. I did say most of you would not accept it, but then again ppl did not accept the messages of the past bible prophets either, nor did most of them accept the teachings of Jesus either.
 
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Therapon

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#54
With so much division of thought on end time prophecy, what is prudent?
Should those expecting to fly away go about life all happy, happy, joy, joy, tough luck for Gods elect, they will have to fend for themselves? (Or should they,out of Christian love, set aside provisions for the elect?)
Will those thinking the tribulation is only 5 month be prepared, when it last 7 years?
Are those who deny the existence of the antichrist or Satan correct, and there is no need for concern? (This to me sounds like exactly what Satan wants us to believe)
Are we all as Gods elect, to be persecuted during the great tribulation? (Are we as the elect prepared?)
Is all Bible prophecy a thing of the past? (If this be the case we must be living in the millennium.)
At any rate, what is prudent?
Ben Franklin is quoted to having said; "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best"
Is it time to apply some Ben Franklin style logical thinking?
A thinking mind who asks, not of man's doctrine but of the Lord, "What is truth," will eventually find truth. <smile>
 
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weakness

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!st John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that anti-christ shall come, even now there are many anti-christs; Rev.13:7 and power was given him over all kindred s, tongues, and nations.
 

Blain

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#57
I know the feeling. <wry smile> And you have asked the right question. I asked the same question of the Lord 40 years ago. The result? The Lord led me to sell my quite successful business and dedicate my full time to the study of is prophetic word. I didn't learn all the answers, but I learned a few. If you download the 2013 edition of the Bible prophecy Study Guide from the homepage of www.ellisskolfield.com and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
Sounds like he gave you the answers you needed:] I am searching for what god says about all of this not what man does. Because man only has theories, and i saw that there were only theories all over, especially in cc. I promised god when and if he chooses to reveal to me the truth in this i would spread his message. Because if the truth is what i suspect the world needs to hear it. Even though i know how much hate i will get.
 
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nathan3

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There are those who teach, there will be a rapture of the church. There are those who teach; "There is no coming Antichrist scripturally. Antichrist is the bogus invention of a Jesuit priest in 1591." There are those who teach the tribulation is only going to be 5 months, and not 7 years. There are those who teach, the tribulation is something that has already happened, that all of Revelation applied to the time in which it was written.

We all must use sound discernment. We must question all teachings, and compare them to scripture.
We must also ask ourselves; which if any of these teachings aid us in preparing for the worst case scenario. Which of these teachings, will best prepare the bride for the time of Christs return? Or, do these teachings place us in a spirit of slumber?

I am certain that Satan wants us to believe, neither he nor the antichrist are real. I sometimes wonder how many people, who expect the rapture to come before the antichrist, will be deceived into following the antichrist. (Paul said in 2 Thess. that antichrist comes first.)

( Caution here: )
I wonder if those who believe the tribulation will last only 5 months, will have enough oil for their lamps. (5 months is hardly enough time to cause all people great and small to receive the mark of the beast.) Because it is only now, in this generation, that technology has reached the point that such a mark or number as mentioned in Revelation, could possibly be employed, I must question how anyone could believe the great tribulation is a thing of the past. The return of Christ will definitely come upon those, who accept these teachings, as a thief in the night.
The oil you get before this happens, so we have all the time now to learn God's word. Don't sell Satan short .he is just a play actor, but the reality is as far as scripture teaches: he is supernatural ; if people will fall over themselves to see and ear a rock ; or movie star, what do you think they will do with a supernatural cherub created by God, and himself claiming to be one.

There is a lot of confusion about this mark. Form following the events that is going to take place , its all about deception ; Christians that have the truth God says they have His seal, in , their foreheads. If your deceived it should be looked at as having the mark of the beast: in their foreheads. its the counter to God's truth.

The mark in the hand: should be looked at in this way: if a person has the mark in their forehead, they would be the ones to use their hands to work for the false christ. because they work for him, not knowing who he really is.

They buy and sell : naturally those that know the truth of the matter wount want to buy or sell in Satan's system, because they know the truth.

This dieing I look at as a warning. That we have to look at this that seriously , why? because the soul is on the line. Not the body.


Matthew 10:28

King James Version (KJV)

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ( God is the only one that can do this )


But God warned already this is a deception of the mind, and that souls would be on the line not the body. He also said, that Satan is allowed to kill no one ( but he does the two witnesses )

Look at these verse that give a strong teaching that there would be no killing of the body at that time :


Revelation 9:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.


Only the men without, the seal of God, in their forehead. That is were The Truth gos... Naturally any man that did not have that , during Antichrist time would be hurt, meaning, they would be deceived: What greater hurt can you do to a Christian, or anyone, then to loose Christ as your savior; only to be literally worshiping Satan ? That is a hurt, that is worse then death; seeing also, it would be a short time after , that event, that the True Christ would return, and then having to face him after you worshiped Satan. What death is worse then that ?



Revelation 7:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

again you see this not hurting thing here .


If that is too vague for you, what about this :

Revelation 9:

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.


The striking in my opinion is these lies, and supernatural miracles that Satan will perform. It is a strike that will hit the soul of the deceived .

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.


Why would a man want to die, but cant ? I know why. because at this point, The true Christ would have returned, and the shame of having worshiped Satan will no doubt be very great: what will they tell Christ ? They will want to die, but they won't be able . For a good reason also : Paul said there will be a change in bodies at Christ return, and those bodies don't die -( 1 Cor 15:51-53 )

1 Corinthians 15:51-58

King James Version (KJV)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep( die ), but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:(True Christ return ) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Everyone will step into that incorruptible body, but to put on the immortal soul, you need to have Christ, and not the fake.




This shows a litter here of Satan's arrival at the 6th trump , and then after that, Christ arrival at the 7th trump ( or last ; as Paul put it )
Revelation 6


12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal ( Satan's arrival ) , and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ( blackened because of all his great lies and great wonders he will perform deceiving all the world ) , and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely ( untimely because its Satan and his fallen angels, Not the true Christ ) figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

It's the close of the age , and the beginning of the last age. The eternity .or at least first the Lord's Day.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


Why ? because everyone, on the whole earth, was worshiping Satan just before Christ return.( ignorantly maybe, but Christ is expecting a virgin bride, Christ will not be happy about it. He don't want them )

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Who will be able to stand. ? Those that listen to God's word and are not deceived. You can be a Christian and love Christ, but don't think Christ is going to be happy even with a Christian that worships Satan.

( You can use the above verses to guide you through understand Revelation. )
 
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CDavid

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God does not give us everything we ask for. He knows what we need, and he will give to us according to HIS will. Not ours. Asking for "revelations" is not something God will give you because you ask.

1 John 5:14-15 [SUP]14 [/SUP]This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.


If you cannot understand what was written 2000 years ago why do you think you can understand something else? If you had understanding you would realize that God doesn't work in the way you speak of.
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We are told not to buy in to conspiracy theories. Believing them can lead one to rebel against authority in an unrighteous way due to paranoia. We are to submit to authority. Not rebel because we THINK it is a "sign of the end"
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivityevery thought to the obedience of Christ

(NIV) Isaiah 8:12 "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.


Then open your bible. There you will find all the truth you need.

The rapture you talk about was a theory thought up by a man named John Darby in the 1800s. This belief was never taught before that. It has been disproven many times, but people choose not to believe it. If you're visions/dreams or whatever you call them are from God then why are you saying "what if"?
People have tried to explain to you and many others about the current conspiracy theories going around. The ones you mention that you feel is part of biblical prophecy yet you refuse to accept what it they say. You claim you don't understand, and when people that do have understanding try to show you what things mean you reject it. Is it because it isn't what you want to hear?
Not even Jesus gave his apostles the exact date of the end. He even said only The Father knows when the day of the Lord will be. This tells us not to ASK for these answers.
Remember Harold Camping? A man who predicted the rapture for May 21, 2011? He misled many. He is a false prophet. He even admitted he was wrong, and asked for forgiveness. He learned the hard way. A woman who believed camping was so scared of the rapture she was arrested for slitting her 14 year old daughters throat in fear they would be left behind.
Predicting such events, and even believing them is a very dangerous thing. No one will know a prophecy is fulfilled until it happens. You cannot predict dates. You cannot predict what WILL happen. The last book of the bible is Revelation. It marks the end of the NT gospels. It is THE ONE AND ONLY REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. Everything all Christians need to know is in the scriptures. Read them. Understand the,. Don't ask for more when you cannot even understand the other.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I will never forget the first time I read this verse, and felt I truly understood the message.
It was bed time and after reading this, I asked God to show me something. I'll not go into detail, as to what took place that night. The one time I did post the revelation I received, there was a lot of ridicule from others on this forum. At any rate, God will reveal things to us. He did to me.
That post is somewhere in this forum. I think I titled it "I Had A Dream". If you choose to read that post, be prepared to see a great deal of ridicule, and unchristian like replies.
 
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" A fool utters all his mind; but a wise man hold some back........just because God reveals something to us doesn't necessarily mean God wants us to tell it all!!!!!! The warning not to cast our pearls before swine also says they will turn on us and rend us!! God does not want us to give that which is Holy to the dogs!! Also I think it is of utmost importance for us personally, to have our own hearing ears and seeing eyes. If we don't we will be deceived.Not that the Holy Spirit doesn't speak through other believers. But it is the Spirit you have to hear speaking through them, not them speaking. We should not be amazed if the " church" is fouled. What else would you expect if Satan sits in the temple of God ,shewing himself as God ?? " Know ye not that we are the temple of God if so be the Spirit of God dwells within you??