For those of you keeping the Sabbath........
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Here is a summary of God giving us the Sabbath.
God worked six days creating the world. For many years those six days had no name, but were called by their number. God created the Sabbath on the seventh day, that day had a special name and a special blessing from the beginning. It was blessed and given for us, as Christ pointed out when He came.
We were told to use the seven day week to count our time. For six days we are to do all we can for ourselves, on the seventh we are to give our time over to resting in the Lord’s care. We are to do this, not only with what we know and believe, but act it out in our lives by actually stopping our work. On this day we are to rest in the knowledge that we are created by God, and God’s care of us is more important than all we do for ourselves. It is through Him we live on beyond this life and do not die. Christ pointed out that this does not mean that we are not to give loving care to others if it is needed on this day, we are still to be used by God for others.
When the priests were told their part in the Sabbath, it was before Christ was crucified. They were to use blood, and it was a shadow of Christ’s blood. It would be wrong to use the shadow of Christ when Christ has now lived out what God knew of from the beginning, for that was part of eternal time. We are not to look down on what God told them, or how God explained to use the shadow of Christ. We are to learn from that teaching, knowing we now use Christ’s blood instead of animal blood.
God worked six days creating the world. For many years those six days had no name, but were called by their number. God created the Sabbath on the seventh day, that day had a special name and a special blessing from the beginning. It was blessed and given for us, as Christ pointed out when He came.
We were told to use the seven day week to count our time. For six days we are to do all we can for ourselves, on the seventh we are to give our time over to resting in the Lord’s care. We are to do this, not only with what we know and believe, but act it out in our lives by actually stopping our work. On this day we are to rest in the knowledge that we are created by God, and God’s care of us is more important than all we do for ourselves. It is through Him we live on beyond this life and do not die. Christ pointed out that this does not mean that we are not to give loving care to others if it is needed on this day, we are still to be used by God for others.
When the priests were told their part in the Sabbath, it was before Christ was crucified. They were to use blood, and it was a shadow of Christ’s blood. It would be wrong to use the shadow of Christ when Christ has now lived out what God knew of from the beginning, for that was part of eternal time. We are not to look down on what God told them, or how God explained to use the shadow of Christ. We are to learn from that teaching, knowing we now use Christ’s blood instead of animal blood.
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You are correct we are to worship in spirit and truth, not spirit and half lies. That is why I stand against Catholic bashing guess work theology that tries to say Catholics changed the law or times. That is why I stand against Catholic bashing guess work theology that implies that those who observe the sababbth on Saturday are marked by God. A sign between two people is not the same as placing a mark on someone despite the claims of some in this thread. Those who have the seal of God on them have it because they are born again, not bcause they observe the sabbath on Saturday or Sunday.
No I am not Catholic, but I am very much aware of their belief’s. Many of which are incorrect. If you would like to read a fascinating book by a former nun exposing some of the problems with Catholicism read the free online book she wrote HERE or maybe you would prefer one about women and the confessional by an expriest (excommunicated over his belief) that can be read HERE
The futurists doctrine you have been taught has its roots in the antireformation writings of a Jesuit priest (Ribera). If you are going to break free from Catholicism make it a clean break and leave the futurist propganda (designed to counter the reformation) derived from his writings behind. May I suggest you explore the info available at CHRISTIAN ESCHATOLOGY.com You just might be surprised by what you find.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
We live in dangerous times, not all who stand on the pulpit teach truth it is up to us as individual believers to study to shew ourselves approved holding fast to the good things we can prove.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
You have some good points, here, but there could be misunderstandings in them, too.
You can be Catholic and still worship in spirit and truth. If the individual gets caught up in the formal doing of ceremony and misses the spirit, it is the individuals fault. That church also teaches Christ. I would not join that church, but I don't think anyone can blame them for never knowing Christ.
Also, if you mean by saying God hates religion, it is true that God wants us to worship in spirit. But it is not true that God never sees a connection between the earth He created and what people do to reflect Him on this earth and the spirit. It is our heart and our spirit that God sees more than what we do on this earth God created. God also knows when we tell ourselves we have the heart and spirit, so we are excused from earthly obedience, and God is not fooled by that. A heart that does not lead to working is no heart at all, and God's word tells us what work He wants from us.
It was Abraham's faith that saved him, but that faith and love of the Lord Abraham had was enough to lead him to what he actually did.
You can be Catholic and still worship in spirit and truth. If the individual gets caught up in the formal doing of ceremony and misses the spirit, it is the individuals fault. That church also teaches Christ. I would not join that church, but I don't think anyone can blame them for never knowing Christ.
Also, if you mean by saying God hates religion, it is true that God wants us to worship in spirit. But it is not true that God never sees a connection between the earth He created and what people do to reflect Him on this earth and the spirit. It is our heart and our spirit that God sees more than what we do on this earth God created. God also knows when we tell ourselves we have the heart and spirit, so we are excused from earthly obedience, and God is not fooled by that. A heart that does not lead to working is no heart at all, and God's word tells us what work He wants from us.
It was Abraham's faith that saved him, but that faith and love of the Lord Abraham had was enough to lead him to what he actually did.
Dan, we've danced this dance before. You can re-read my thoughts and answers in one of the several Sabbath threads I've posted in. I haven't convinced you about keeping a 7th day Sabbath, and you haven't convinced me about not keeping a 7th day Sabbath. There's no need to go around this mountain again. If you are truly interested in what I believe and why, and you're not just trying to argue (again), please PM me as I'd be happy to talk with you there.
I respect your desire to know God and to make Him known in this world. You are passionate about the truth, and passionate about the Holy Spirit revealing that truth to you, and through you. That is an encouragement to me, and my relationship with God. That's why we should move on to other more fruitful discussions instead of re-hashing the same things.
Have a great rest of your weekend, brother.
I respect your desire to know God and to make Him known in this world. You are passionate about the truth, and passionate about the Holy Spirit revealing that truth to you, and through you. That is an encouragement to me, and my relationship with God. That's why we should move on to other more fruitful discussions instead of re-hashing the same things.
Have a great rest of your weekend, brother.
C
yes it's indeed a blessing to our fellowship. We could drop every worldly matter and gather together for a whole day praising Yahweh, studying the scripture and physically rest. Thought we were alone coming out of institutional church and in the desert. Am glad we aren't. It's a true test of faith because there's no human leader, no schedule and no peer pressure. Everyone prophecy and the others examine.
C
It's not twisting the scripture if one is speaking in harmony with it. You are right saying keeping the sabbath does not prove or make one born again and I don't see the poster was implying that. Likewise, keeping the sabbath does not prove one is not born again. Since I'm just reminded this thread is not about born again so perhaps we should just talk about this another time.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, (o. logos) and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and immediately forgets what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridles not his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
24 For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and immediately forgets what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridles not his tongue, but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
C
Perhaps one should look at the background of the Colossians. It's a gentile region. The believers never observed sabbath. Perhaps Paul was saying don't let your unbelieving friends and families judge you now that you have believed and start to observe sabbath, the new moon and the feast days.
Was Paul talking about the whole law in Galatians or was it about physical circumcision in the context? I'll be delighted to talk about these another place another time.
Was Paul talking about the whole law in Galatians or was it about physical circumcision in the context? I'll be delighted to talk about these another place another time.