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We are seeing many prophecies being fulfilled setting the stage for the Tribulation
1. The Euphrates river has dried up.
2. Russia is at war in the Ukraine, if they were to unite with Magog (Afghanistan, Kazikastan, Pakistan, Turkey, etc) against Israel then we would have the Ezekiel 38 war.
3. We have had millions of illegal immigrants, many of whom are military aged men entering the country along our Southern border. This could be the advanced troops of a surprise attack on the US (the Great Babylon referred to in Revelation 18).
4. Russia and China appear to be preparing for war against Taiwan and Israel, and in both cases they would have to first defeat the US. If they use a surprise attack with nuclear weapons they could take out the US in an hour, just as Revelation 18 says. N. Korea, Iran, and Venezuela seem to be allied with these two superpowers.
5. 110 food processing plants have been burned up without anyone being arrested. This has all happened in the last two years, it is too much to be a coincidence. If you don't have food then you will surrender much sooner.
6. We have seen all the pieces necessary to bring in the mark of the beast. The requirement for a vaccine passport, digital currency, some countries have already seized control of bank accounts as a test case to see how people respond, and we are on the verge of a worldwide famine which will give them an offer that people can't refuse: take the mark or starve.
7. The 70th week in Daniel is a seven year period. It must refer to a Shemitah, a seven year period in the Bible. The Shemitah begins at Rosh Hashanah every seven years and the next Shemitah begins this fall. Rabbi Jonathan Kahn among others has done a comprehensive evaluation to show that this fall is the start of a Shemitah. So then, if the tribulation does not begin this fall it would not begin for another seven years. That is very hard to believe when looking at all the other signs.
8. The fig tree prophecy says that the generation that began in 1948 when the Jews returned to Israel in May will not pass away until they see Jesus coming in glory on the clouds. Based on Psalms 90 we would say that is 80 years later (from May 15 2028 to May 14 2029). That would mean the tribulation would have to start a number of years prior to this, so this fall would be the only time that it would happen during a Shemitah.
9. The book of Joel says that we will have a worldwide pandemic that will shut down the world's economy and close the churches prior to the tribulation as a sign that the Day of the Lord is at hand. He says this will take place after the Jews return to Israel, after Jerusalem is returned to the Jews, and after the world recognizes Jerusalem as the capital like the US did in 2017. So this is not the Black plague, or the Spanish Flu.
10. Jesus said that His coming would be as the days of Noah. When Noah was in the ark and the flood was on the earth He was 600 years old. The first big day of Noah recorded in Genesis is when he got the vision that the end of the age would be with a flood and he got the blueprint on how to build the ark. Noah in Hebrew means "rest" but read backwards it is the word for grace. We generally think of the church age as the age of grace, which is two thousand years. However, the NT tells us that Jesus was the incarnated word full of grace and truth. The Gutenberg Bible was first published a little less than 600 years ago. We know that when Noah got the vision he was married and had three kids. If his youngest was 13 at the time it would align quite nicely with when the Gutenberg Bible was first published. We also know that Noah preached for 120 years and then the flood came. in 1899 Gideon's international was founded, they have distributed 2 billion bibles since being founded. 120 years after they were founded the Covid19 pandemic hit, first killing people at the time of Rosh Hashanah in China.
1. The Euphrates river has dried up.
2. Russia is at war in the Ukraine, if they were to unite with Magog (Afghanistan, Kazikastan, Pakistan, Turkey, etc) against Israel then we would have the Ezekiel 38 war.
3. We have had millions of illegal immigrants, many of whom are military aged men entering the country along our Southern border. This could be the advanced troops of a surprise attack on the US (the Great Babylon referred to in Revelation 18).
4. Russia and China appear to be preparing for war against Taiwan and Israel, and in both cases they would have to first defeat the US. If they use a surprise attack with nuclear weapons they could take out the US in an hour, just as Revelation 18 says. N. Korea, Iran, and Venezuela seem to be allied with these two superpowers.
5. 110 food processing plants have been burned up without anyone being arrested. This has all happened in the last two years, it is too much to be a coincidence. If you don't have food then you will surrender much sooner.
6. We have seen all the pieces necessary to bring in the mark of the beast. The requirement for a vaccine passport, digital currency, some countries have already seized control of bank accounts as a test case to see how people respond, and we are on the verge of a worldwide famine which will give them an offer that people can't refuse: take the mark or starve.
7. The 70th week in Daniel is a seven year period. It must refer to a Shemitah, a seven year period in the Bible. The Shemitah begins at Rosh Hashanah every seven years and the next Shemitah begins this fall. Rabbi Jonathan Kahn among others has done a comprehensive evaluation to show that this fall is the start of a Shemitah. So then, if the tribulation does not begin this fall it would not begin for another seven years. That is very hard to believe when looking at all the other signs.
8. The fig tree prophecy says that the generation that began in 1948 when the Jews returned to Israel in May will not pass away until they see Jesus coming in glory on the clouds. Based on Psalms 90 we would say that is 80 years later (from May 15 2028 to May 14 2029). That would mean the tribulation would have to start a number of years prior to this, so this fall would be the only time that it would happen during a Shemitah.
9. The book of Joel says that we will have a worldwide pandemic that will shut down the world's economy and close the churches prior to the tribulation as a sign that the Day of the Lord is at hand. He says this will take place after the Jews return to Israel, after Jerusalem is returned to the Jews, and after the world recognizes Jerusalem as the capital like the US did in 2017. So this is not the Black plague, or the Spanish Flu.
10. Jesus said that His coming would be as the days of Noah. When Noah was in the ark and the flood was on the earth He was 600 years old. The first big day of Noah recorded in Genesis is when he got the vision that the end of the age would be with a flood and he got the blueprint on how to build the ark. Noah in Hebrew means "rest" but read backwards it is the word for grace. We generally think of the church age as the age of grace, which is two thousand years. However, the NT tells us that Jesus was the incarnated word full of grace and truth. The Gutenberg Bible was first published a little less than 600 years ago. We know that when Noah got the vision he was married and had three kids. If his youngest was 13 at the time it would align quite nicely with when the Gutenberg Bible was first published. We also know that Noah preached for 120 years and then the flood came. in 1899 Gideon's international was founded, they have distributed 2 billion bibles since being founded. 120 years after they were founded the Covid19 pandemic hit, first killing people at the time of Rosh Hashanah in China.
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Prophecy Update – 2022-08-28 (with Worship)
It Cannot Be Much Longer
Prophecy Update – 2022-08-28 (with Worship)
It Cannot Be Much Longer
I get the point you are attempting to make. I too, am angered by the abuses of many so-called churches. Whether this be the social gospel or the prosperity gospel or those refusing to preach upon the subject of sin. The messages, today, are varied, instead of a single one. The Scriptures speak with one voice and there is only one message - even though the one message has many complexities. The Scriptures are like a pure cut diamond. Just one diamond but with many facets.
It is possible, due to self deception, for one to think they are apart of God's Elect and not be. However, my argument, is only to the fact of the Elect. The Elect of God are indeed always saved and safe. The fact that a religious heretic, makes himself or herself apart of the Elect, when they are not, has no bearing on this truth. That's why there are tests in Scripture to discern whether are not these are in the faith. Such as, not bearing good fruit... not contending for the faith... hates their brother... denies sin in their life... is a hypocrite... speaks wonderful things from the lips but their heart is far from God. These need to be exposed. However, if they are not... then in the end, the Lord will declare: "Begone with you. For I never knew you."
So again, my argument is for the true Elect of God and not the pretenders. I hope you now better understand my point.
It is possible, due to self deception, for one to think they are apart of God's Elect and not be. However, my argument, is only to the fact of the Elect. The Elect of God are indeed always saved and safe. The fact that a religious heretic, makes himself or herself apart of the Elect, when they are not, has no bearing on this truth. That's why there are tests in Scripture to discern whether are not these are in the faith. Such as, not bearing good fruit... not contending for the faith... hates their brother... denies sin in their life... is a hypocrite... speaks wonderful things from the lips but their heart is far from God. These need to be exposed. However, if they are not... then in the end, the Lord will declare: "Begone with you. For I never knew you."
So again, my argument is for the true Elect of God and not the pretenders. I hope you now better understand my point.
Just remember these:
Mark 13:20 And except the Lord had shortened the days, no flesh would have been saved; but for the elect's sake, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
Rom 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
Rom 8:30 and whom he predestined, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
Heb 7:25 Wherefore also he is able to save to the uttermost them that draw near unto God through him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Php_1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Php_2:13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
Mark 13:20 And except the Lord had shortened the days, no flesh would have been saved; but for the elect's sake, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
Rom 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
Rom 8:30 and whom he predestined, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
Heb 7:25 Wherefore also he is able to save to the uttermost them that draw near unto God through him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Php_1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Php_2:13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
I am not discarding any verse in the Bible. There is no verse that says "once saved always saved" how can you teach this if you also teach "you can't possibly think you are saved if you continue to live in sin". Why not, they do whatever you say to do to receive salvation, after doing that they return to live in sin. Are they saved? You say that once they are saved they are always saved. So what are you saying now, they weren't really saved initially? OK, then what is the point of your teaching, once you are saved you will always be saved, but we can't know if you were saved? Pointless teaching.
God is not a God of confusion
I previously subscribed to the Plymouth brethren understanding that you have eternal security as long as you continue to have faith in Christ and continue in that faith. They explain away Judas as saying he never had a new birth. Those are some very big conditions. This means there will be quite a few people, like Judas, who appear to be leaders of the Christian church right up until they aren't. Second, it is very conditional on you continuing in the faith, so why are you calling it "once saved always saved". Reformed Christianity essentially says the same thing, "true Christians" have eternal security and the reason we know you are a true Christian is because you will persevere in both works and faith (right up until you sell Jesus for 30 pieces of silver and then we know that you weren't a true Christian). Again, the conditional aspect of this theology makes it absurd to call it "once saved always saved".
But it is worse, because "Free grace theology" from the Free Masons confuses the issue:
Free grace theology
Free grace theology says that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ will go to heaven regardless of any future actions—including future sin, unbelief, or apostasy—though Christians who sin or abandon the faith will face God's discipline.
Free Grace doctrine views the person's character and life after receiving the gift of salvation as independent from the gift itself, or in other words, it asserts that justification (that is, being declared righteous before God on account of Christ) does not necessarily result in sanctification (that is, a progressively more righteous life). Charles Stanley, pastor of Atlanta's megachurch First Baptist and a television evangelist, has written that the doctrine of eternal security of the believer persuaded him years ago to leave his familial Pentecostalism and become a Southern Baptist. He sums up his deep conviction that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone when he claims, "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy… believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation." For example, Stanley writes:
The doctrine sees the work of salvation as wholly monergistic, which is to say that God alone performs it and man has no part in the process beyond receiving it, and therefore, proponents argue that man cannot undo what they believe God has done. By comparison, in traditional Calvinism, people, who are otherwise unable to follow God, are enabled by regeneration to cooperate with him, and so the Reformed tradition sees itself as mediating between the total monergism of the non-traditional Calvinist view and the synergism of the Wesleyan, Arminian, and Roman Catholic views in which even unregenerate man can choose to cooperate with God in salvation. (taken from Wikipedia)
This is why these mega churches are filled with people living in fornication, in adultery, in lasciviousness, thinking they are "saved" and "going to heaven".
So when you say that you believe in "Once Saved always saved" there will be many people who understand that as "free grace theology" which is Free Mason theology.
I previously subscribed to the Plymouth brethren understanding that you have eternal security as long as you continue to have faith in Christ and continue in that faith. They explain away Judas as saying he never had a new birth. Those are some very big conditions. This means there will be quite a few people, like Judas, who appear to be leaders of the Christian church right up until they aren't. Second, it is very conditional on you continuing in the faith, so why are you calling it "once saved always saved". Reformed Christianity essentially says the same thing, "true Christians" have eternal security and the reason we know you are a true Christian is because you will persevere in both works and faith (right up until you sell Jesus for 30 pieces of silver and then we know that you weren't a true Christian). Again, the conditional aspect of this theology makes it absurd to call it "once saved always saved".
But it is worse, because "Free grace theology" from the Free Masons confuses the issue:
Free grace theology
Free grace theology says that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ will go to heaven regardless of any future actions—including future sin, unbelief, or apostasy—though Christians who sin or abandon the faith will face God's discipline.
Free Grace doctrine views the person's character and life after receiving the gift of salvation as independent from the gift itself, or in other words, it asserts that justification (that is, being declared righteous before God on account of Christ) does not necessarily result in sanctification (that is, a progressively more righteous life). Charles Stanley, pastor of Atlanta's megachurch First Baptist and a television evangelist, has written that the doctrine of eternal security of the believer persuaded him years ago to leave his familial Pentecostalism and become a Southern Baptist. He sums up his deep conviction that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone when he claims, "Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy… believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation." For example, Stanley writes:
Look at that verse [John 3:18] and answer this question: According to Jesus, what must a person do to keep from being judged for sin? Must he stop doing something? Must he promise to stop doing something? Must he have never done something? The answer is so simple that many stumble all over it without ever seeing it. All Jesus requires is that the individual "believe in" Him.
— Charles Stanley (p. 67).
In a chapter entitled "For Those Who Stop Believing", he says, "The Bible clearly teaches that God's love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand (p. 74)." A little later, Stanley also writes: "You and I are not saved because we have an enduring faith. We are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord" (p. 80).The doctrine sees the work of salvation as wholly monergistic, which is to say that God alone performs it and man has no part in the process beyond receiving it, and therefore, proponents argue that man cannot undo what they believe God has done. By comparison, in traditional Calvinism, people, who are otherwise unable to follow God, are enabled by regeneration to cooperate with him, and so the Reformed tradition sees itself as mediating between the total monergism of the non-traditional Calvinist view and the synergism of the Wesleyan, Arminian, and Roman Catholic views in which even unregenerate man can choose to cooperate with God in salvation. (taken from Wikipedia)
This is why these mega churches are filled with people living in fornication, in adultery, in lasciviousness, thinking they are "saved" and "going to heaven".
So when you say that you believe in "Once Saved always saved" there will be many people who understand that as "free grace theology" which is Free Mason theology.
I am going to key in on this part of your statement. You said:
"So what are you saying now, they weren't really saved initially? OK, then what is the point of your teaching, once you are saved you will always be saved, but we can't know if you were saved? Pointless teaching."
First - Nothing taught in Scripture is pointless. It is revealed because God believed it important to all mankind. Whether it be for understanding God or mankind's sate or His Plan of Salvation and/or to convict and heap judgement upon the unbelieving. But I am sure - you know this.
Second - Knowing that no one or thing can stop you from being saved nor being forsaken, as one of God's Elect, gives great assurance to the believer. It magnifies God's promises and faithfulness. Where we fail within ourselves - God will ensure our success. This teaches us to wholly lean on Him for our Salvation and quit trying to make it about ourselves and our worthless forms of righteousness. As one great writer, wrote: The Elect of God will not be saved because of themselves but in spite of themselves. Anything Holy, Righteous, Loving, Worthy, Faithful, Obedient or Good, in the true believer, is because God made it possible.
Third - You can know you are saved!!! If one is willing to put themselves to the test. 2Cor 13:5 Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.
The letter of 1 John, is a great place to test oneself. Unless you are a reprobate, as Paul said. For example, this will weed out many false believers:
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world is passing away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abides for ever.
If one answers this honestly - they will know. For one can not love this world, it's money, it's material things or even it's people - beyond the love of God and His Christ. (Mat. 22:37). This same test and the many others, can be used by believers to see if someone else is in a bad way or not in the faith. So yes, you can know.
"So what are you saying now, they weren't really saved initially? OK, then what is the point of your teaching, once you are saved you will always be saved, but we can't know if you were saved? Pointless teaching."
First - Nothing taught in Scripture is pointless. It is revealed because God believed it important to all mankind. Whether it be for understanding God or mankind's sate or His Plan of Salvation and/or to convict and heap judgement upon the unbelieving. But I am sure - you know this.
Second - Knowing that no one or thing can stop you from being saved nor being forsaken, as one of God's Elect, gives great assurance to the believer. It magnifies God's promises and faithfulness. Where we fail within ourselves - God will ensure our success. This teaches us to wholly lean on Him for our Salvation and quit trying to make it about ourselves and our worthless forms of righteousness. As one great writer, wrote: The Elect of God will not be saved because of themselves but in spite of themselves. Anything Holy, Righteous, Loving, Worthy, Faithful, Obedient or Good, in the true believer, is because God made it possible.
Third - You can know you are saved!!! If one is willing to put themselves to the test. 2Cor 13:5 Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.
The letter of 1 John, is a great place to test oneself. Unless you are a reprobate, as Paul said. For example, this will weed out many false believers:
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world is passing away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abides for ever.
If one answers this honestly - they will know. For one can not love this world, it's money, it's material things or even it's people - beyond the love of God and His Christ. (Mat. 22:37). This same test and the many others, can be used by believers to see if someone else is in a bad way or not in the faith. So yes, you can know.
This thread is for those that love the Lord, so how is any of this relevant to this thread?
This thread is for those who love the Lord's appearing. Anyone who was destined for hell would not love the Lord's appearing, so this is a test of salvation.
Why are you changing the subject for a thread that is clearly about the Lord's soon return? Those that love the Lord keep His commandments and He commanded us to watch for his return, not to argue about man made doctrines.
This thread is for those who love the Lord's appearing. Anyone who was destined for hell would not love the Lord's appearing, so this is a test of salvation.
Why are you changing the subject for a thread that is clearly about the Lord's soon return? Those that love the Lord keep His commandments and He commanded us to watch for his return, not to argue about man made doctrines.
15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen:
Obadiah paints a picture of what we will see when the Day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen (the tribulation is about to start). Therefore I will go through this one chapter prophecy. It will take me two posts.
Obadiah 1-10 -- Because of the violence done to your brother
This book gives us a prophecy of how God will deal with a very deceitful and intentionally evil enemy to bring in the kingdom to Earth, to accomplish His will and to enlarge our borders. I posted a link to an exposition on this prophecy that is referring to Israel and Edom as the Israelites and Palestinians in my blog. I would like to look at this as Christians.
1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
In the link he translates "rumour" as "report". Recently Christians have heard some reports that have rallied them to rise up and pray, to do spiritual battle. One example is what we learned our kids were being taught in school with CRT and with grooming by pedophiles and other forms of lasciviousness. A similar report was concerning Disney and the filth they are trying to sneak into children's movies. We have also heard rumor's about the Rothschilds (Red shield) and their plan to take over the world through banking. Edom is Israel's twin brother. What two industries do people complain about evil Jews running? Hollywood and Banking. I would propose that "evil Jews" are in fact Edom. I would argue that Weinstein, Rothschild and Soros are not Jews they are edomites.
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. 3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
Who claims that they are "stars". That is Hollywood. Who among the heathen are greatly despised? "Jewish" lawyers, "Jewish" bankers, and "Jewish" Hollywood executives. I would argue that the ones that are giving the Jews a bad name are the Edomites and they project their sins onto Jacob: calling him a liar, deceitful, grasping, etc.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
That really applies to lawyers and bankers. Everything they do is to calculate the maximum amount they can get without any regard to what happens to those they rob. The mortgage crisis in 2008 is only one example of how evil and corrupt they are. What they did was a very clear violation of the law concerning their fiduciary responsibility. The plan was simple, put poor people into houses they couldn't afford and collect payments for five years, sixty months. Then have the interest rate balloon, foreclose on them, and you get to keep 60 months of mortgage payments and the house which you get to sell again. The situation in China is even more outrageous, they collect sixty months of mortgage payments and yet the people don't even get to live in the house. Lawyers are even worse, they become consultants on how to defraud others.
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
These sins of the bankers were intentional, the sins of the lawyers are intentional, the sins of Hollywood are intentional, the sins of these school boards are intentional.
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
This is how they operate, they have a confederacy, buy up school board members, or they control who can get an acting job and who can't, their whole operation is top down. That is foolish. They use the people under them as useful idiots, but when those people become enlightened it makes much more sense for them to become whistleblowers than to take a fall for these "fat cats".
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
At first when no one knows what they are doing they appear wise. It is like a snake in the grass, if no one knows it is there then it is subtle and wise, but once everyone can see the snake and is focused on it, then it appears stupid and helpless.
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
Hollywood has been exposed for their evil. Now what happens, actors and actresses leave them for Daily Wire or some independent (Indie) film maker. People would rather see an Indie film that has lower quality production and higher value of truth. As a result companies like Disney, once they are exposed, are easy to slaughter. The same is true of school board members trying to defend CRT, pornography, and story hour by Transgenders. The same is true of the banking scandal in 2008. There are many people who understand the law and know that there were thousands of bankers that should have been prosecuted and sent to prison.
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
This is where this is heading. We aren't going to "fix" public school, we aren't going to "fix" international banking, we aren't going to "fix" Hollywood. No, they shall be cut off forever. First, set up homeschooling through your local church. You have the facility, and the church has a few resources that can help. A couple of retired teachers can help, the local library can help, and the result will be a much better school that anyone can set up, at least through the 8th grade. If you remove the Christians from public school you can be sure that many of the others like the Jews and the muslims will also leave. If the public school seems like a zoo now, you haven't seen anything yet. It will become so dysfunctional that unbelievers will beg to let the local church homeschools take their kids and teachers in the Public school system will also be looking for jobs with these church schools. Likewise with Hollywood. The best children's programming in US history was Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. He took a key Biblical principle -- to love your neighbor as yourself, and made is the cornerstone of his ministry to small children. He had inexpensive and crude production techniques. That was not important. Christians need to rise up and replace Hollywood productions. If we have sanctified and Biblical productions for kids from kindergarten to 8th grade we will completely replace Hollywood and their demonic "superhero" movies. The same is true of bankers. Our church is going around the neighborhood and cleaning up the yards of those who need help. In two hours five or six from the church can completely clean up the yard of someone who is no longer able to do that. As a result we become the "shepherd" of the sheep in our neighborhood. We claim this neighborhood. Everyone in the neighborhood will see the church as a blessing. We can do the same thing with mortgages. Initially banks were supposed to be a way that the community could help each other to buy houses. Banks don't pay interest anymore. Take it out and invest in the community. If your neighborhood houses go up in value yours does too. Suppose churches began acting like banking was their ministry. Perhaps they charge 2% interest, can't beat that, and they pay 1.5% interest to those that pay in, can't beat that. The 0.5% pays for the staff required to process these loans. You get a local member who is either a banker or lawyer to draw up a standard loan contract and you help your members to keep from going homeless. Maybe they can't afford to buy a house, but because you know all the housing situations in your flock you know who needs to take on a border to help pay their mortgage. A small congregation of 200 wouldn't have enough people to solve all these problems so they would have to communicate with each other -- who needs loans, who needs boarders, who needs a room to rent, etc.
Obadiah paints a picture of what we will see when the Day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen (the tribulation is about to start). Therefore I will go through this one chapter prophecy. It will take me two posts.
Obadiah 1-10 -- Because of the violence done to your brother
This book gives us a prophecy of how God will deal with a very deceitful and intentionally evil enemy to bring in the kingdom to Earth, to accomplish His will and to enlarge our borders. I posted a link to an exposition on this prophecy that is referring to Israel and Edom as the Israelites and Palestinians in my blog. I would like to look at this as Christians.
1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
In the link he translates "rumour" as "report". Recently Christians have heard some reports that have rallied them to rise up and pray, to do spiritual battle. One example is what we learned our kids were being taught in school with CRT and with grooming by pedophiles and other forms of lasciviousness. A similar report was concerning Disney and the filth they are trying to sneak into children's movies. We have also heard rumor's about the Rothschilds (Red shield) and their plan to take over the world through banking. Edom is Israel's twin brother. What two industries do people complain about evil Jews running? Hollywood and Banking. I would propose that "evil Jews" are in fact Edom. I would argue that Weinstein, Rothschild and Soros are not Jews they are edomites.
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. 3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
Who claims that they are "stars". That is Hollywood. Who among the heathen are greatly despised? "Jewish" lawyers, "Jewish" bankers, and "Jewish" Hollywood executives. I would argue that the ones that are giving the Jews a bad name are the Edomites and they project their sins onto Jacob: calling him a liar, deceitful, grasping, etc.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
That really applies to lawyers and bankers. Everything they do is to calculate the maximum amount they can get without any regard to what happens to those they rob. The mortgage crisis in 2008 is only one example of how evil and corrupt they are. What they did was a very clear violation of the law concerning their fiduciary responsibility. The plan was simple, put poor people into houses they couldn't afford and collect payments for five years, sixty months. Then have the interest rate balloon, foreclose on them, and you get to keep 60 months of mortgage payments and the house which you get to sell again. The situation in China is even more outrageous, they collect sixty months of mortgage payments and yet the people don't even get to live in the house. Lawyers are even worse, they become consultants on how to defraud others.
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
These sins of the bankers were intentional, the sins of the lawyers are intentional, the sins of Hollywood are intentional, the sins of these school boards are intentional.
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
This is how they operate, they have a confederacy, buy up school board members, or they control who can get an acting job and who can't, their whole operation is top down. That is foolish. They use the people under them as useful idiots, but when those people become enlightened it makes much more sense for them to become whistleblowers than to take a fall for these "fat cats".
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
At first when no one knows what they are doing they appear wise. It is like a snake in the grass, if no one knows it is there then it is subtle and wise, but once everyone can see the snake and is focused on it, then it appears stupid and helpless.
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
Hollywood has been exposed for their evil. Now what happens, actors and actresses leave them for Daily Wire or some independent (Indie) film maker. People would rather see an Indie film that has lower quality production and higher value of truth. As a result companies like Disney, once they are exposed, are easy to slaughter. The same is true of school board members trying to defend CRT, pornography, and story hour by Transgenders. The same is true of the banking scandal in 2008. There are many people who understand the law and know that there were thousands of bankers that should have been prosecuted and sent to prison.
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
This is where this is heading. We aren't going to "fix" public school, we aren't going to "fix" international banking, we aren't going to "fix" Hollywood. No, they shall be cut off forever. First, set up homeschooling through your local church. You have the facility, and the church has a few resources that can help. A couple of retired teachers can help, the local library can help, and the result will be a much better school that anyone can set up, at least through the 8th grade. If you remove the Christians from public school you can be sure that many of the others like the Jews and the muslims will also leave. If the public school seems like a zoo now, you haven't seen anything yet. It will become so dysfunctional that unbelievers will beg to let the local church homeschools take their kids and teachers in the Public school system will also be looking for jobs with these church schools. Likewise with Hollywood. The best children's programming in US history was Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. He took a key Biblical principle -- to love your neighbor as yourself, and made is the cornerstone of his ministry to small children. He had inexpensive and crude production techniques. That was not important. Christians need to rise up and replace Hollywood productions. If we have sanctified and Biblical productions for kids from kindergarten to 8th grade we will completely replace Hollywood and their demonic "superhero" movies. The same is true of bankers. Our church is going around the neighborhood and cleaning up the yards of those who need help. In two hours five or six from the church can completely clean up the yard of someone who is no longer able to do that. As a result we become the "shepherd" of the sheep in our neighborhood. We claim this neighborhood. Everyone in the neighborhood will see the church as a blessing. We can do the same thing with mortgages. Initially banks were supposed to be a way that the community could help each other to buy houses. Banks don't pay interest anymore. Take it out and invest in the community. If your neighborhood houses go up in value yours does too. Suppose churches began acting like banking was their ministry. Perhaps they charge 2% interest, can't beat that, and they pay 1.5% interest to those that pay in, can't beat that. The 0.5% pays for the staff required to process these loans. You get a local member who is either a banker or lawyer to draw up a standard loan contract and you help your members to keep from going homeless. Maybe they can't afford to buy a house, but because you know all the housing situations in your flock you know who needs to take on a border to help pay their mortgage. A small congregation of 200 wouldn't have enough people to solve all these problems so they would have to communicate with each other -- who needs loans, who needs boarders, who needs a room to rent, etc.
Obadiah 11-21 This is how God brings in the kingdom
11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
People are stunned when they learn that the Rothschilds assisted Hitler in his final solution. That is because they think they are Jews when in fact they are Edomites. You have to dig beneath the surface to learn these things. People are stunned to learn that Disney whose whole business is to cater to families and children are actively looking to undermine the families and corrupt children. The same is true of school boards. Imagine a school board having books in the library of the elementary school that they prohibit parents from reading aloud at school board meetings because they are too graphic and offensive! Likewise with the banks. They were formed to help people buy homes (think "It's a Wonderful Life") and instead they develop a system of a YoYo where they sell a house for five years and then pull it right out from under you, making you homeless. All of these people were supposed to be a blessing to the community but instead they have become a curse.
12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
Right, isn't that what the school, or the banks, or the people making movies for children are supposed to do? If we don't watch Disney movies they go bankrupt, why would you let your kid see a movie from a company trying to destroy your kids? The same is true of banks. Even if they didn't steal your house they are destroying your community, they are destroying your neighborhood and that is bad for your house. The same is true of schools, only fools would send their kids to schools that are trying to indoctrinate and groom your kids.
13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
This is exactly what the lawyers and bankers do. The schools and Disney set them up to become single parent mothers and then the lawyers and bankers do the rest.
14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
Can you believe the school boards asked the Feds to label parents coming to school board meetings as domestic terrorists? In China they arrest people coming to protest their bank taking all their money. These aren't shepherds, these are foxes in the henhouse, wolves in sheep's clothing.
15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
What we are seeing is evidence that the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen. That is the tribulation. What exactly have they done? They stole your house and burned down your neighborhood, robbed your children, and destroyed your family. OK, that is what will happen to them.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
How did they drink? It was a celebration in the destruction of the church. They hate Evangelicals and Jesus lovers, so they thought they had destroyed them and they were no more. Well, that is what will happen to them, the heathen, the unbelievers will be the ones drinking, they will rob them, deceive them, cheat them, abuse them, until they are no more, and not just no more but it will be as though they had never been. Just like TimbukTu, people think that now it was simply a myth.
17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
This is what we need. We need schools where there shall be deliverance and holiness. We have neither in the public schools. We need banks that allow us to possess our possessions. We need our stories to be Biblical filled with deliverance and holiness, not the poison that Disney sells. The church needs to rise up, you have the tools, you have the skills, trust the Lord, the quality of the production is not nearly as important as the quality of the content.
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.
It isn't good enough to simply build a replacement. We also need to set fire to these existing industries like the banks, Hollywood and Public school. When you want to clear the land you set fire to the stubble. It will burn away all the weeds and make it easy to plant your crops. We need those who will expose the sins of these industries, hold them accountable for what they have done, and burn up all the wood, hay and stubble.
19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. 20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
This is what it means to expand your borders.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
What a wonderful conclusion. We are the saved of the Lord, but having been saved we are able to save others. Jesus told one that since He had forgiven all that debt that therefore you also should forgive the debt of your neighbor. We are supposed to be imitators of God, we are supposed to love others as Jesus loved us. He is the great shepherd, and we are supposed to also feed His lambs. This is how God brings in the kingdom. We allowed Satan to teach our kids and take all our money and invest it as he pleases to destroy us. That is the slave mentality. We need to wake up and realize that the Lord has called us to take this land.
11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
People are stunned when they learn that the Rothschilds assisted Hitler in his final solution. That is because they think they are Jews when in fact they are Edomites. You have to dig beneath the surface to learn these things. People are stunned to learn that Disney whose whole business is to cater to families and children are actively looking to undermine the families and corrupt children. The same is true of school boards. Imagine a school board having books in the library of the elementary school that they prohibit parents from reading aloud at school board meetings because they are too graphic and offensive! Likewise with the banks. They were formed to help people buy homes (think "It's a Wonderful Life") and instead they develop a system of a YoYo where they sell a house for five years and then pull it right out from under you, making you homeless. All of these people were supposed to be a blessing to the community but instead they have become a curse.
12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
Right, isn't that what the school, or the banks, or the people making movies for children are supposed to do? If we don't watch Disney movies they go bankrupt, why would you let your kid see a movie from a company trying to destroy your kids? The same is true of banks. Even if they didn't steal your house they are destroying your community, they are destroying your neighborhood and that is bad for your house. The same is true of schools, only fools would send their kids to schools that are trying to indoctrinate and groom your kids.
13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
This is exactly what the lawyers and bankers do. The schools and Disney set them up to become single parent mothers and then the lawyers and bankers do the rest.
14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
Can you believe the school boards asked the Feds to label parents coming to school board meetings as domestic terrorists? In China they arrest people coming to protest their bank taking all their money. These aren't shepherds, these are foxes in the henhouse, wolves in sheep's clothing.
15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
What we are seeing is evidence that the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen. That is the tribulation. What exactly have they done? They stole your house and burned down your neighborhood, robbed your children, and destroyed your family. OK, that is what will happen to them.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
How did they drink? It was a celebration in the destruction of the church. They hate Evangelicals and Jesus lovers, so they thought they had destroyed them and they were no more. Well, that is what will happen to them, the heathen, the unbelievers will be the ones drinking, they will rob them, deceive them, cheat them, abuse them, until they are no more, and not just no more but it will be as though they had never been. Just like TimbukTu, people think that now it was simply a myth.
17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
This is what we need. We need schools where there shall be deliverance and holiness. We have neither in the public schools. We need banks that allow us to possess our possessions. We need our stories to be Biblical filled with deliverance and holiness, not the poison that Disney sells. The church needs to rise up, you have the tools, you have the skills, trust the Lord, the quality of the production is not nearly as important as the quality of the content.
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.
It isn't good enough to simply build a replacement. We also need to set fire to these existing industries like the banks, Hollywood and Public school. When you want to clear the land you set fire to the stubble. It will burn away all the weeds and make it easy to plant your crops. We need those who will expose the sins of these industries, hold them accountable for what they have done, and burn up all the wood, hay and stubble.
19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. 20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
This is what it means to expand your borders.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
What a wonderful conclusion. We are the saved of the Lord, but having been saved we are able to save others. Jesus told one that since He had forgiven all that debt that therefore you also should forgive the debt of your neighbor. We are supposed to be imitators of God, we are supposed to love others as Jesus loved us. He is the great shepherd, and we are supposed to also feed His lambs. This is how God brings in the kingdom. We allowed Satan to teach our kids and take all our money and invest it as he pleases to destroy us. That is the slave mentality. We need to wake up and realize that the Lord has called us to take this land.