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This is exactly why people think you are ate up.....I just told you that no where did I state that or imply that Jesus did not expect them to stop sinning to be in right staniding with God as it is obvious that HE DID.....You are nothing more than a deciever....twisting what peope say and then attributing to them things not said.....reread post 96 and apologize for attributing something to me that I did not imply....!
Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification is widely known amongst many believers for a long time now. It is a basic teaching in Scripture (of which you can research for yourself). The best way to see it is that Justification is past tense (Salvation by repentance and acceptance of Christ), Sanctification is present tense (Salvation lived out with a continued walk with God and His good ways), and Glorificaiton is future tense (Salvation when God will one day save us from this world and take us home).
As you can see, the verses you posted on Justification can easily be applied to a new person coming to the faith and or being justified before God by His grace without the deeds of the Law.
Glorification is probably the only one we probably will agree on. So there is no use mentioning these verses (If you are already familar with them). If not, you can easily Google them and find them for yourself.
Sanctification is our walk with God. It is about being set apart and being holy in order to serve God and His purposes. The Scriptures say Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Yet, it is logical to assume that He is also working in us within our present every day walk with Him, too. This makes sense because Scripture says Christ works in the believer. But it takes a cooperation on our part. We have to yield to Christ (God) within our lives. We have to be ye transformed by the renewing our minds. Sanctify them with your truth, for thy word is truth. So we are to be sanctified by the Word of God. Jesus said abide in me and my words. The reason Jesus gave us to why the Pharisees wanted to kill him was because His Word did not abide within them. Meaning, they were disobedient to God's Word. It is no different today. God's people are persecuted (even on a verbal level) for standing up for the truth of God's Word. They think it is not necessary that we should obey all of Jesus taught and that is impossible to stop sinning or to be perfect (As Jesus told us to be perfect).
As you can see, the verses you posted on Justification can easily be applied to a new person coming to the faith and or being justified before God by His grace without the deeds of the Law.
Glorification is probably the only one we probably will agree on. So there is no use mentioning these verses (If you are already familar with them). If not, you can easily Google them and find them for yourself.
Sanctification is our walk with God. It is about being set apart and being holy in order to serve God and His purposes. The Scriptures say Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Yet, it is logical to assume that He is also working in us within our present every day walk with Him, too. This makes sense because Scripture says Christ works in the believer. But it takes a cooperation on our part. We have to yield to Christ (God) within our lives. We have to be ye transformed by the renewing our minds. Sanctify them with your truth, for thy word is truth. So we are to be sanctified by the Word of God. Jesus said abide in me and my words. The reason Jesus gave us to why the Pharisees wanted to kill him was because His Word did not abide within them. Meaning, they were disobedient to God's Word. It is no different today. God's people are persecuted (even on a verbal level) for standing up for the truth of God's Word. They think it is not necessary that we should obey all of Jesus taught and that is impossible to stop sinning or to be perfect (As Jesus told us to be perfect).
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I made the illustration because Jesus was able to illustrate spiritual truth by using real world examples. This is something that your doctrine will never be able to do. I know. I have debated this topic for many years and not once has anybody been successful in creating a real example that would support OSAS (Which is just one of the ways that lets us know it is a false teaching).
Anyways, OSAS is false. For the Jews thought they were saved, too. But Jesus said that His Words did not abide in them. Meaning, they did not obey God's Word. One has to be obedient to the Lord to be in a right standing with Him. That is why Jesus told men to repent. Repentance is confessing and forsaking sin.
Anyways, OSAS is false. For the Jews thought they were saved, too. But Jesus said that His Words did not abide in them. Meaning, they did not obey God's Word. One has to be obedient to the Lord to be in a right standing with Him. That is why Jesus told men to repent. Repentance is confessing and forsaking sin.
The illustration could be changed a hundred and one different ways and the result is still the same. Free gifts have to be taken care of or they can be ruined. Scripture also teaches that one can fall away from the faith or err from the truth. One has to willingly ignore such passages in order for them not to see it. Also, again, Jesus was able to illustrate spiritual truth with real world examples. This is something that you cannot do, but yet I can easily do so. Which means, I am being more consistent with what Jesus taught. How so? A gentile woman had used a real world example about dogs eating the crumbs from off of the master's table to relate to Jesus' words. She was able to relate to what He was saying by using that which was true and real.
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If this was the case, then everyone would be saved because He paid the price for the sins of the entire world. For did you do nothing in order to receive the gift? No. Of course not. God did not act on your behalf for you to receive the gift and God is not going to act on your behalf to take care of your gift, either. You have to choose this day in whom ye will serve. God is not going to force you to serve Him and He is not going to force you up into Heaven. A person has to actively seek the Lord with all their heart, mind, and soul every day. Nowhere does the Bible teach a one time decision type salvation. God's Word is full of warnings to the believer. They are to continue in His goodness or they will be cut off. If they draw back, his soul will have no pleasure within them.
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Love is good, but is it the love described in the Bible? Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus said if we do not love our brother, we are in darkness. In fact, if we hate our brother, we are called a murderer by John. Then John says no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. So to hate your brother means you can lose eternal life. Which means OSAS is false.
I mean, think about it. How do you know the good guys from the bad guys when you watch a movie? Is it not by what they do? OSAS is saying you can get away with evil every now and then and still make it up into Heaven. But does that sound like a teaching that comes from a Holy God who does not condone or justify sin?