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As for the op subject,
It is pretty obvious that we are on the same page.
No need to bicker over words definitions.
Im a person. A human being.
Calling God and Jesus beings is nothing to
get all upset over. We were made in His image.
A person is a type of being. So is God. So is an animal. So are angels.
But this is fruitless and irrelevant.
 
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And no matter how you try to twist the definitions of the words in the posts I submitted abut all peoples being saved, they say simply what they say and can not be denied. Rejected. But not denied. Its simply stated.
 

bluto

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Are you yelling at him with those caps.
There is a more civil way to come to a dialog with someone.
No, I am not yelling at him. If you would notice the caps I used are highlighting the parts that say, "ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY HIM." My emphasis is on Jesus Christ is God because He is the creator. Get it? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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No, I am not yelling at him. If you would notice the caps I used are highlighting the parts that say, "ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY HIM." My emphasis is on Jesus Christ is God because He is the creator. Get it? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Ok I see that now. But still... looks you yelling. Caps do that.
 

bluto

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As for the op subject,
It is pretty obvious that we are on the same page.
No need to bicker over words definitions.
Im a person. A human being.
Calling God and Jesus beings is nothing to
get all upset over. We were made in His image.
A person is a type of being. So is God. So is an animal. So are angels.
But this is fruitless and irrelevant.
Why is it that you presume to know how I feel? I'm not at all upset, in fact I feel great. And why don't you please explain to all of us here reading this that there are certain things you "deem" fruitless and irrelevant? If that's the case why are you even here?

And who's bickering over words? Words have meaning and their meaning depends on they are used in context. If I used the word for example "bark" you would not know if I meant the bark of a tree or the bark of a dog, it would depend on its context.

I will give you another example from the Bible. The last sentence of Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" Please tell me what you think it means? And yes, I believe all the verses you posted to me. What I don't believe is how you understand their meaning. Your not clear in your explanations. I mean you made this statement, not me.
"Like all peoples are saved. I mainly study that the most." All I'm asking is how it is that "all peoples are saved." Will anybody be lost? Your comment prompted me to ask if you were a Universalist or a Unitarian because that is what they teach. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto



 
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Why is it that you presume to know how I feel? I'm not at all upset, in fact I feel great. And why don't you please explain to all of us here reading this that there are certain things you "deem" fruitless and irrelevant? If that's the case why are you even here?

And who's bickering over words? Words have meaning and their meaning depends on they are used in context. If I used the word for example "bark" you would not know if I meant the bark of a tree or the bark of a dog, it would depend on its context.

I will give you another example from the Bible. The last sentence of Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" Please tell me what you think it means? And yes, I believe all the verses you posted to me. What I don't believe is how you understand their meaning. Your not clear in your explanations. I mean you made this statement, not me.
"Like all peoples are saved. I mainly study that the most." All I'm asking is how it is that "all peoples are saved." Will anybody be lost? Your comment prompted me to ask if you were a Universalist or a Unitarian because that is what they teach. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
So do the JW's
Not with them either
So did the disciples and first Church
Yep, Im with them
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I posted some scripture that does not need defining.
It is simply stated and can have only one meaning.
Do you actually need an explanation?
 

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What part of John 1:3 don't you understand? "ALL things came into beingby Him and apart from (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being." Or Colossians 1:16, "For by Him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, (Would that not include these other sons your talking about whoever they are) both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorties--ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM." So does that answer your question jaybird? You do believe these verses, right jaybird? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
i misread you, i thought you said Jesus was the only son of the Most High.
yes i believe what the bible says, all things were created through the image like John 1 says, which was always hard for me to understand, even harder with the church doctrines that flip it on its head. after reading what Plato wrote on the subject it makes more sense on how the image works.
 

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Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
(Genesis 1:26)
Without addressing the secular error in using 'mankind' in Genesis 1:26, I can only speculate what verse you interpret John 3:12 was referring in Genesis 1, yet as I stated previously, some things are lost upon the sons of men. Hence it is written that the LORD said his spirit shall not always strive with man for that he is flesh also.
 

bluto

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i misread you, i thought you said Jesus was the only son of the Most High.
yes i believe what the bible says, all things were created through the image like John 1 says, which was always hard for me to understand, even harder with the church doctrines that flip it on its head. after reading what Plato wrote on the subject it makes more sense on how the image works.
Listen carefully jaybird. I quoted John 3:16 which explicitly says, "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not parish, but have eternal life." So tell me, in what respect is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of His Father since we are sons of God as well?

And what does this statement of yours mean when you said, "all things were created through the image like John 1 says," And forget Plato, his understanding of John 1:1 is not the same as what the Apostle John is saying and teaching. The "Logos" at John 1:1 is Jesus Christ who was not only with God but is God.

In John 1:1 the "Word/Logos" is not the spoken word of God or the plan or idea of God. The Word is Jesus Christ. I base this on the fact of the other verses following vs1. Vs2, "He or literally "That one" was in the beginning with God." Vs3, "All things came into being by Him." In other words the Word/Logos is a person who is identified as God. Then at vs14 the "Word/Logos" became flesh or a man.

Then the Apostel Paul backs up what John stated at Philippians 2:5-9. Vs5, Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, Vs6, (Now watch this jaybird) "who, although He existed in the form of God, (The word although means--in spite of the fact) that He/Jesus Christ existed as God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."

In other words, Jesus Christ was always in the form of God but he emptied Himself or the glory He already had and took another form which was a man. And as a man, Vs8, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, God lowered Himself by becoming a man and died on a cross so we can have eternal life. God Himself paid for our sins so we could have life. That's how much He loves us. Think about that for a second and let that sink in that God Almighty, the maker of the heavens and earth took it upon Himself to redeem us back to Himself. If that does not move you I don't know what does. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Karraster

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Some scholars say the Greek word monogenes means “unique, one of a kind” and not “only begotten”.
 
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Why is it that you presume to know how I feel? I'm not at all upset, in fact I feel great. And why don't you please explain to all of us here reading this that there are certain things you "deem" fruitless and irrelevant? If that's the case why are you even here?

And who's bickering over words? Words have meaning and their meaning depends on they are used in context. If I used the word for example "bark" you would not know if I meant the bark of a tree or the bark of a dog, it would depend on its context.

I will give you another example from the Bible. The last sentence of Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" Please tell me what you think it means? And yes, I believe all the verses you posted to me. What I don't believe is how you understand their meaning. Your not clear in your explanations. I mean you made this statement, not me.
"Like all peoples are saved. I mainly study that the most." All I'm asking is how it is that "all peoples are saved." Will anybody be lost? Your comment prompted me to ask if you were a Universalist or a Unitarian because that is what they teach. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
Bluto
Why would you want me to explain what Jesus and the disciples said?
I could only repeat what is says. It is simply stated. It has only one meaning.
You see simply stated verses stating all peoples are saved as saying something different?
That is sad for you because until the binders are lifted, you will not have a true
understanding of scripture.
Those who are lost are the fallen and their children when they came into women and bore the Nephilim.
But sense you can not see the simply stated your brainwashed mind probably cant see that either. You were most likely instructed not to read the Book of Enoch which is the first Book in the Bible before the Romans excluded it when it was translated into our language. You truly are missing out on very important scripture when you reject the most important scripture.
 
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Some scholars say the Greek word monogenes means “unique, one of a kind” and not “only begotten”.
One of a kind is "only"
And since it is speaking of begotten, "only begotten" He is the only begotten Son of God.
Would that bother you if it was translated properly?
 

Karraster

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One of a kind is "only"
And since it is speaking of begotten, "only begotten" He is the only begotten Son of God.
Would that bother you if it was translated properly?
Well, there are other mentions of "sons of God"...so to me the unique/one of a kind does better convey His one and only status as The Son of God/arm of YHWH
 

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Why would you want me to explain what Jesus and the disciples said?
I could only repeat what is says. It is simply stated. It has only one meaning.
You see simply stated verses stating all peoples are saved as saying something different?
That is sad for you because until the binders are lifted, you will not have a true
understanding of scripture.
Those who are lost are the fallen and their children when they came into women and bore the Nephilim.
But sense you can not see the simply stated your brainwashed mind probably cant see that either. You were most likely instructed not to read the Book of Enoch which is the first Book in the Bible before the Romans excluded it when it was translated into our language. You truly are missing out on very important scripture when you reject the most important scripture.
What does the Nephilim have to do with anything? And I don't need you to lecture me about the Book of Enoch, it's not inspired Scripture despite the fact that Jude at vs14-15 quoted the book. The Apostle Paul quoted the writings of Epimenides at Titus 1:12, does that mean his writings should be in the Bible?

And don't tell me that I'm missing out on important scripture. From where I'm sitting you can't even handle simple Sunday School verses from the Bible. Good grief, who has bewitched you with all this nonsense you come up with? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

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Without addressing the secular error in using 'mankind' in Genesis 1:26, I can only speculate what verse you interpret John 3:12 was referring in Genesis 1, yet as I stated previously, some things are lost upon the sons of men. Hence it is written that the LORD said his spirit shall not always strive with man for that he is flesh also.
if you are a coin, whose image is on you?
 
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What does the Nephilim have to do with anything? And I don't need you to lecture me about the Book of Enoch, it's not inspired Scripture despite the fact that Jude at vs14-15 quoted the book. The Apostle Paul quoted the writings of Epimenides at Titus 1:12, does that mean his writings should be in the Bible?

And don't tell me that I'm missing out on important scripture. From where I'm sitting you can't even handle simple Sunday School verses from the Bible. Good grief, who has bewitched you with all this nonsense you come up with? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I guess that means you are afraid to address and discuss the posts of scriptures that say all men are saved. That's ok. Run off with your tail between your legs.
 
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What does the Nephilim have to do with anything? And I don't need you to lecture me about the Book of Enoch, it's not inspired Scripture despite the fact that Jude at vs14-15 quoted the book. The Apostle Paul quoted the writings of Epimenides at Titus 1:12, does that mean his writings should be in the Bible?

And don't tell me that I'm missing out on important scripture. From where I'm sitting you can't even handle simple Sunday School verses from the Bible. Good grief, who has bewitched you with all this nonsense you come up with? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I post scripture of Jesus speaking and you call it nonsense?
That can't be a good thing.
If you want to reject Enoch that's fine.
If you reject what Jesus simply stated, that is also fine.

John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
 

bluto

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I guess that means you are afraid to address and discuss the posts of scriptures that say all men are saved. That's ok. Run off with your tail between your legs.
Oh please, give me a break. I've been a Christian over 55 years now, been shot at, rocketed, wounded and you think I'm afraid of you and what you say? You still have not given me one verse which says that all men are saved? Go ahead, give it to me, I'll wait. Keep in mind your in the big leagues now buster and your not messing around with little kids. And here's a good verse for you. Jeremiah 12:5, "If you have with footmen and they have tired you out, The how can you compete with horses?" :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto