For those why deny the Deity of Jesus Christ.
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like talking to a kid that thinks he knows everything. lol
I already have
You ignored them
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.
There are many. It appears you are not familiar with them.
Oh please, give me a break. I've been a Christian over 55 years now, been shot at, rocketed, wounded and you think I'm afraid of you and what you say? You still have not given me one verse which says that all men are saved? Go ahead, give it to me, I'll wait. Keep in mind your in the big leagues now buster and your not messing around with little kids. And here's a good verse for you. Jeremiah 12:5, "If you have with footmen and they have tired you out, The how can you compete with horses?" 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You ignored them
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
1 Tim 4:9-11
9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer
reproach, because we trust in the living God,
who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that
believe.
11 These things command and teach.
There are many. It appears you are not familiar with them.
And the LORD met Balaam, and put a word in his mouth, and said, Go again unto Balak, and say thus.
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4
None of those verses say that all men will be saved. If a man wants to be saved or be born again what does he have to do? Do you need a hint?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
This one hits on the OP and this subject.
You are far from the big league. Lol
Cor 11
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
J
Listen carefully jaybird. I quoted John 3:16 which explicitly says, "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not parish, but have eternal life." So tell me, in what respect is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of His Father since we are sons of God as well?
And what does this statement of yours mean when you said, "all things were created through the image like John 1 says," And forget Plato, his understanding of John 1:1 is not the same as what the Apostle John is saying and teaching. The "Logos" at John 1:1 is Jesus Christ who was not only with God but is God.
In John 1:1 the "Word/Logos" is not the spoken word of God or the plan or idea of God. The Word is Jesus Christ. I base this on the fact of the other verses following vs1. Vs2, "He or literally "That one" was in the beginning with God." Vs3, "All things came into being by Him." In other words the Word/Logos is a person who is identified as God. Then at vs14 the "Word/Logos" became flesh or a man.
Then the Apostel Paul backs up what John stated at Philippians 2:5-9. Vs5, Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, Vs6, (Now watch this jaybird) "who, although He existed in the form of God, (The word although means--in spite of the fact) that He/Jesus Christ existed as God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
In other words, Jesus Christ was always in the form of God but he emptied Himself or the glory He already had and took another form which was a man. And as a man, Vs8, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, God lowered Himself by becoming a man and died on a cross so we can have eternal life. God Himself paid for our sins so we could have life. That's how much He loves us. Think about that for a second and let that sink in that God Almighty, the maker of the heavens and earth took it upon Himself to redeem us back to Himself. If that does not move you I don't know what does.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And what does this statement of yours mean when you said, "all things were created through the image like John 1 says," And forget Plato, his understanding of John 1:1 is not the same as what the Apostle John is saying and teaching. The "Logos" at John 1:1 is Jesus Christ who was not only with God but is God.
In John 1:1 the "Word/Logos" is not the spoken word of God or the plan or idea of God. The Word is Jesus Christ. I base this on the fact of the other verses following vs1. Vs2, "He or literally "That one" was in the beginning with God." Vs3, "All things came into being by Him." In other words the Word/Logos is a person who is identified as God. Then at vs14 the "Word/Logos" became flesh or a man.
Then the Apostel Paul backs up what John stated at Philippians 2:5-9. Vs5, Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, Vs6, (Now watch this jaybird) "who, although He existed in the form of God, (The word although means--in spite of the fact) that He/Jesus Christ existed as God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
In other words, Jesus Christ was always in the form of God but he emptied Himself or the glory He already had and took another form which was a man. And as a man, Vs8, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, God lowered Himself by becoming a man and died on a cross so we can have eternal life. God Himself paid for our sins so we could have life. That's how much He loves us. Think about that for a second and let that sink in that God Almighty, the maker of the heavens and earth took it upon Himself to redeem us back to Himself. If that does not move you I don't know what does.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
does it feel good to stand behind the big brother censorship? bless your heart, you sure wouldnt last long on an even playing field.
None of those verses say that all men will be saved. If a man wants to be saved or be born again what does he have to do? Do you need a hint?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Fortunately it is becoming rapidly popular again as it was prophesied by Him it would be in the last age.
I love the similarities to John and the fact He was verified in the Bible. Not t mention He is one of only 2 that did not taste death. Him and Elijah. He walked with God for 300 years. He is a major player.
I love the similarities to John and the fact He was verified in the Bible. Not t mention He is one of only 2 that did not taste death. Him and Elijah. He walked with God for 300 years. He is a major player.
Luke 23
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
The worst crime ever committed. They brutally beat and killed our Savior.
Yet He prayed to the Father, because He is not the Father, for the Father
to forgive them. If people are going into the lake of fire, these would be
the first to make the splash. But if Jesus prayed for them to be forgiven,
you can bet your farm they are forgiven and will be saved. Made clean.
Evil spirits removed. Made new. etc
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
The worst crime ever committed. They brutally beat and killed our Savior.
Yet He prayed to the Father, because He is not the Father, for the Father
to forgive them. If people are going into the lake of fire, these would be
the first to make the splash. But if Jesus prayed for them to be forgiven,
you can bet your farm they are forgiven and will be saved. Made clean.
Evil spirits removed. Made new. etc
Yes, He was a prophet
Isaiah 45
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isaiah 45
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isaiah 52
10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Isaiah 57
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Another way of saying I will not strive with man forever. And hearing what he said before this puts into context. He will not leave us to suffer any longer than absolutely necessary. For His sake and for ours.
10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Isaiah 57
16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Another way of saying I will not strive with man forever. And hearing what he said before this puts into context. He will not leave us to suffer any longer than absolutely necessary. For His sake and for ours.
Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a >great< multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of >great< tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(please note, a great number that could not be counted came out of the great tribulation. The same great that went in, came out.)
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a >great< multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of >great< tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(please note, a great number that could not be counted came out of the great tribulation. The same great that went in, came out.)
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.