For we are not wrestling with flesh

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Zone, you shouldn't call what Charasmatics or Pentecostals do pagan. It is the Holy Spirit. I didn't say you were a dog or a devil for the record. Sorry that someone did. I believe you are saved. We spend alot of our time and devotion seeking the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and tongues and interpretation. Sadly, I don't see that much prophecy but it does happen. I'm sorry you were taught to be a cessationist. It's sad you could have been a Pentecostal. I prophesy blessings for you. But limited blessings because you limit God in your life.
Thus saith the Lord, I am He that calleth thee. I have not forgoten thy devotion. Seek me and you will find. Ask and you will recieve. Knock and it shall be opened. Ask of Me wisdom and I will give it to thee in the appointed time.
 
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Matthew 12:29
Or how can a person go into a strong man's house and carry off his goods (the entire equipment of his house) without first binding the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

This is a warning. God is trying to say Satan can't come and steal from you if you bind him up and fight him. It means don't just sit around doing nothing to Satan. Or he's telling you what Satan will do to you and your family if you don't do your job.

Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind (declare to be improper and unlawful) on earth must be what is already bound in heaven; and whatever you loose (declare lawful) on earth must be what is already loosed in heaven.

This telling you to fight Satan. Your not to be sitting back and expecting God to do everything when he told you to do it in his name.

Mark 3:27

But no one can go into a strong man's house and ransack his household goods right and left and seize them as plunder unless he first binds the strong man; then indeed he may [thoroughly] plunder his house.

Acts 21:11
And coming to [see] us, he took Paul's belt and with it bound his own feet and hands and said, Thus says the Holy Spirit: The Jews at Jerusalem shall bind like this the man who owns this belt, and they shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles (heathen).

This was God warning what Satan was going to do.

Im not sure what to do, when you take verses, that you dont really understand and use them for
what they were not intended for. Making them say what they are not saying. And most of all in the process
losing the value of there true meaning.

If you claim you dont like zones approach. Then ill be silent, and let you ramble. If you wanted to know what those verses meant youd ask. But your using them as a defense, so im sure your not asking for a response.

To comment on other points youve made in this thread. This is not your livingroom, or church. Its a public
forum. People bring in all kinds of things. And people respond. How personal you take things is a CHOICE.
 
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12For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood

That means you are warring demons and evil spirits. They live in people. It means to always know to not hate the human but know you are warring the demons in them. That is not hard to understand. Peoples lives are in need of you getting it and being in Gods army.

Plus the demons flying all over. The ones around you don't see. They have power to kill. They are killing all over the world because of Christians who don't do their jobs.
These statements show how little effect the scriptures have on you. If you were to read the whole book of Ephesians and slow down around chapter 6, you might see what its saying, maybe put it aside Matthew 4
and learn from the Master. Your misinformed to say the least.
 
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I guess i should say this...
I was molested by an older man when I was coming to age... From then on that "gay" person's actions awakened something in me that will rot my thoughts for 22 years... I was about 15 when he did his evil things.. He is still gay today... I never was gay, but is was sectually awakened OUT OF GOD's WILL. My wife on our wedding night should have awakened me, not a filthy gay spirit/ action.
So I was hooked on anything ..dirty sex...then one day... Another young man witnessed about his similar situation.. AND GOD SAID...This is what happened to you Cobus, if you two pray now,,, I WILL CUT THE BOND SATAN HAS ON YOU BOTH... We prayed and GOD CUT THAT THICK BUNDGIE CORD, and I accellerated in TRTUH... MY HEART AND SOUL AND MIND NOW COULD RECIEVE THE WORD OF GOD WITH REVELATIONS. Thank God I can hear HIM EVERY TIME HE SPEAKS... AND HE SAID... THAT WAS THE STRONGEST STRONGHOLD SATAN HAD ON YOU,,, Now let us tackle the rest... Got it? God will break them all becasue JESUS already BROKE THE WORKS OF SATAN FOR ALL OF US THAT WANTS TO BE BODED TO GOD...They do not fight over me, God WON!!! Praise the LORD...Jesus you were manifested to BREAK THE WORKS OF SATAN FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE...LORD break them all also for me...AMEN!
 
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Ok, I went to a prayer meeting, few batiste ministers were going overseas on a extended mission trip. My friend told me he was going and I had this urge to go. When there we ate, sang praise and worship and read a few scriptures, my friend then prayed for the Holy Spirit to strengthen the ones going for the season to come.
There was two young girls, 15 or so I felt that strong urge to pray for them, walked over asked if I could they said yes, placed my hand on the girls shoulder and the I said something that floored me that I actually said it , " come out you foul thing" she dropped to the ground screaming and thrashing, I looked to my friend as in I didn't do anything, help, he looked at me and said trust God, He's doing something thru me. I looked at the girl, told the foul thing be still and shut up, went quiet immediately, and told it to leave, it did the girl though s bit shaken wad fine.
Few years later I was told the girl use to suffer severe epilepsy and to that day since I pray she doesn't no longer. All glory to God.
God chose the day time moment person and prayer, i just made myself available by believing nothing is impossible with Him. I don't care if people believe or not, didn't write this to convince anyone, does this make me delusional, satanic or a wolf? God is my judge.
There is forces at work that we really don't even can begin to comprehend in this world that are dark and evil. Do people think witches and witchcraft is a Disney tale? But to say it doesn't exist, wow.
We all have a different walk but are heading to the same destination that draws us there, Jesus.
Come on, let love reign in our hearts
 
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Valid works of the HolySpirit does"nt validate every spiritual work. Anymore than exposing false spirituals limit the true work
of the HolySpirit. To leave the door open, have a big group hug, and let the Lord deal with it. Is irresponsible, and a guarantee
of total chaos and destruction of the church. And very liitle true love would do such a thing.Reference: New Testament.

I could write a page of similiar stories. But why? Noone doubts there are demons. Nor our wrestling. Nor would anyone argue
that casting out a demon wouldnt happen or that a person wouldnt be led to do it. To think that allows... the God dishonoring teachings like that
of the present day spiritual warfare teachings is plain nonsense and dangerous. Everyone is warned to take heed how they build
and all of us will give an account for that. Turning a blind eye and call it love may need a rethink about love. Namecalling is another subject.
 
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Testimony was given to edify the body of Christ with love, it's the name calling that makes us no worse than the world. Having read the entire thread I felt to testify of the glory of God soveriegn and victorious, nothing more nothing less. Just to add not to subtract.
Blessings
 

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Satan is trying to kill us and our families and the church is asleep.
Linda:
what do you think about the 1 1/2 million dead Iraqi citizens since 9-11? who killed and keeps killing them? a floating spirit entity called Satan? or men who do the work of satan (lying, killing and destroying FOR MONEY)? or do you think since they "did 9-11" they deserve it? or do you even think about it at all?

i hear all this sanctimonious talk from you about how Pentecostals are casting demons out of everything that moves (SPIRITUAL WARFARE!!) and this is somehow doing the Work of God. or that speaking in tongues and whatever else you do at church is somehow keeping satan at bay.

you don't understand the Bible AT ALL, so its safe to say preaching and teaching from the word isn't the primary reason for your Sunday gathering.

do you plan to address the following, and answer for why you continue to make ridiculous statements about cessatonists being of the devil, when for one supposedly SO ENDOWED by the Holy Spirit you don't know what the bible says and are bold and foolish enough to keep misquoting it to justify abberent behaviour you call being Spirit-led?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28813-we-not-wrestling-flesh.html#post512865

you expect me (and others) to believe God talks to you every day and that you even quote Him word for word concerning His quips and remarks and instructions verbatim? yet He speaks to you in the same barely intelligible constructs you use? you claimed (ABSURDLY) that you asked once about a "demon possessed Pastor" (another of your sickening assertions that Christians are crawling with demons), and God spoke to you and said the man was/was possessed by Ba'al....then you saw a hideous snake-head of some sort on the man.

did you know Ba'al isn't real? doesn't exist? just an idol? a figment of idolators imaginations?

your fanciful stories are insulting to true believers, an embarassment to the church, reflect very poorly on Christ, and make you look ignorant. i'm ok speaking to you this way, since you have no problem just willynilly ridiculing THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN CHURCH THROUGHOUT HISTORY who has NEVER believed in that garbage you pass off as spirituality.

I did, and I stand by both of those statements [DOG, SATAN], and dont forget wolf. She is on a mission form Satan to denigrate, oppose and slander all things good and godly. Anything that has to do with right living, holiness, or spiritual gifting she attacks.
I have to agree. I've prayed for her but she has free will to do as shes pleases.
now, i don't take it personally when this garbage comes from 4runner or you, but i cringe when i think of how many others you or others like you have called these things because they REFUSE to partake of the apostasy you're involved in.

like this said about EG who denounces that stuff:

I've been watching you. You speak against the bible and Gods people. I have prayed for you. You do as you please. I get it just fine. You are a unbeliever. The word of God has been posted. You don't believe. Your choice.
what you pass off as CHURCH is called MONTANISM and was condemned as HERESY in the 2nd century when it appeared, and everytime it's appeared since then it's been condemned and the fanatics and weirdos have been tossed out of the church.

you've been shown over and over again that your "religion" is not NEW, it has more pagan elements than anything else, makes a mockery of Christ, though the brand of it we see today emerged and was for the forst time history given legitimacy by the Church. not coincidentally, TOTAL APOSTASY has spread like wildfire throughout the world in all realms and denominations (some less than others), though this junk is being accepted by more and more traditional and conservative institutions that just 50 years ago would have NEVER accepted these MANIFESTATIONS people have the GALL to call of the Holy Spirit?

i don' t know how many examples i've posted of your denominations best-loved leaders who are PROVEN mystery-school adepts, occultists and many are KNOWN worshippers of Lucifer. do you realize how much evidence has the REAL church has provided that this stuff is KUNDALINI DEMONIC invasion?

HOW SIMPLE DOES THIS HAVE TO BE:?

Third Wave of the Holy Spirit




The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit is a Christian theological theory first introduced by C. Peter Wagner to describe what he believed to be three historical periods of the activity of the Holy Spirit in the 20th century and beyond. In his 1988 book, The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit: Encountering the Power of Signs and Wonders Today, Wagner defines the three waves as follows:
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The rise of deliverance ministries in the United States appears to have occurred almost immediately following the release of the film The Exorcist in 1973[and the film has been credited with creating interest in casting out demons[citation needed], even though the practices of deliverance ministries differ widely from the highly ritualized exorcisms carried out by the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. The same year, a Baptist minister named Frank D. Hammond and his wife Ida Mae Hammond published a book entitled Pigs in the Parlor[3] which was a 'hit' book on the subject. Derek Prince was also viewed as an authority on deliverance during his lifetime. He wrote "They Shall Expel Demons."

i'll post more on this later if i feel like it.

in the meantime....why aren't you addressing your mishandling of the HOLY SCRIPTURES here (#18 & 19):

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/28813-we-not-wrestling-flesh.html#post512865
 
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satan satan satan satan demon demons demons demons

that's whole foundation for your religion.

and yet you have NO CLUE about things like this, that christians are and have been labouring to document, that are the REAL MANFESTATION of SATAN'S POWER in the eschaton :

The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria

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Matt Johnson discusses:
  • The Khazar empire;
  • Khazaria and the Talmud;
  • Khazar economy based on slavery;
  • The reason the Khazars converted to Talmudism;
  • The reasons for the fall of Khazaria;
  • Khazaria and Anti-Christ.
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Contact Matt: fr_raphael
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The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria : Voice of Reason Broadcast Network

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this is nothing new to me, or the real church who actually believes what is written and keeps watching, and praying and they KNOW what satan is doing with his Synagogue of Satan.

i've been posting on this stuff since i got here. yet i've been harrassed and ridiculed by duped and lazy evangelicals (called antisemite, a misnomer and absurd; dog; unbeliever; crazy; conspiracy theorist; etc etc) who think being SLAIN THE SPIRIT is Christian...when all the while that stuff was injected into american christianity right about the same time american evangelicals STARTED HELPING GREAT BABYLON get set up in preparation for the great slaughter.

i bet you have no idea what any of this is about. a look at (yet another) thread posted on The Noahide Laws would maybe give you a clue, THEN LET'S SEE HOW FEARLESS YOU ARE WHEN IT COMES TO SATAN.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE REAL PHRISEES ARE: that's evident since you keep accusing Cessationists and Traditionalists of having demons of a "religious spirit"; "jezebel" and all that other embarassing trash.
 
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GO HERE AND SEE WHAT SATAN IS DOING....then we can talk about what you want to do about your DELIVERANCE MINISTRIES.
wanna go find the guys that are meeting in Lodges under THE TEMPLE MOUNT IN JERUSALEM and cast some demons out?
or do you want to just pretend you're doing it with christians in church who suffer from migranes or depression? that's real helpful.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/27759-noahide-laws-5.html
 
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satan satan satan satan demon demons demons demons

that's whole foundation for your religion.

and yet you have NO CLUE about things like this, that christians are and have been labouring to document, that are the REAL MANFESTATION of SATAN'S POWER in the eschaton :

The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria

July 28, 2011 · Print This Article







Matt Johnson discusses:
  • The Khazar empire;
  • Khazaria and the Talmud;
  • Khazar economy based on slavery;
  • The reason the Khazars converted to Talmudism;
  • The reasons for the fall of Khazaria;
  • Khazaria and Anti-Christ.
13 MB / 32 kbps mono / 0 hour 56 min.



Contact Matt: fr_raphael
yahoo.com
Visit Matt’s VoR program page, for books, essays and articles.

The Orthodox Nationalist: Khazaria : Voice of Reason Broadcast Network

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this is nothing new to me, or the real church who actually believes what is written and keeps watching, and praying and they KNOW what satan is doing with his Synagogue of Satan.

i've been posting on this stuff since i got here. yet i've been harrassed and ridiculed by duped and lazy evangelicals (called antisemite, a misnomer and absurd; dog; unbeliever; crazy; conspiracy theorist; etc etc) who think being SLAIN THE SPIRIT is Christian...when all the while that stuff was injected into american christianity right about the same time american evangelicals STARTED HELPING GREAT BABYLON get set up in preparation for the great slaughter.

i bet you have no idea what any of this is about. a look at (yet another) thread posted on The Noahide Laws would maybe give you a clue, THEN LET'S SEE HOW FEARLESS YOU ARE WHEN IT COMES TO SATAN.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE REAL PHRISEES ARE: that's evident since you keep accusing Cessationists and Traditionalists of having demons of a "religious spirit"; "jezebel" and all that other embarassing trash.
Zone the problem with Pentecostals is that they do not read the Bible properly. I have seen Pentecostals had friends in there but, once they start speaking in tongues they become difficult to talk to about the Bible.

The Bible says that God's people always fall on their face in the presence of God while the wicked always fall backwards.

I seen a sermon once about this movement where they showed that the pastors use a form of hypnotism.
 

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Zone the problem with Pentecostals is that they do not read the Bible properly. I have seen Pentecostals had friends in there but, once they start speaking in tongues they become difficult to talk to about the Bible.

The Bible says that God's people always fall on their face in the presence of God while the wicked always fall backwards.

I seen a sermon once about this movement where they showed that the pastors use a form of hypnotism.
Lao, i have people i dearly love who are in or have some connection that denomination.
one in particular i am thinking of who NEVER crosses denominational boundaries to say rejection of the charimata means you're SATAN HIMSELF....and i really wouldn't have much to say about it all if certain others weren't continually doing it.

i'm perfectly happy to count myself among the tiny handful of Protestants who are cessationist, amillennial, anti-dispensational, anti-zionism, covenant theology, etc. but when i get hammered for THINKING and actually studying and trying to share what i know because i understand [unknown] was ADDED, well, what am i to do?

leave it out there as truth when it ISN'T?

i don't think so. AND THAT'S THE EASY STUFF!:rolleyes:
 
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Lao, i have people i dearly love who are in or have some connection that denomination.
one in particular i am thinking of who NEVER crosses denominational boundaries to say rejection of the charimata means you're SATAN HIMSELF....and i really wouldn't have much to say about it all if certain others weren't continually doing it.

i'm perfectly happy to count myself among the tiny handful of Protestants who are cessationist, amillennial, anti-dispensational, anti-zionism, covenant theology, etc. but when i get hammered for THINKING and actually studying and trying to share what i know because i understand [unknown] was ADDED, well, what am i to do?

leave it out there as truth when it ISN'T?

i don't think so. AND THAT'S THE EASY STUFF!:rolleyes:
That's true unknown in the KJV is in italics and anything in italics in the KJV was not in the original but was added by the translators, modern versions do not have the added words in italics so the KJV is better because it tells us what has been added.