"For what the Law could not do........."

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Blik

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so, in other words , you are going to ignore what God said about whom He made a covenant with, and put your personal beliefs above what Scripture says.....
So, you accuse me of ignoring scripture!! It is a false accusation, and you know what scripture tells you about that, surely.

As far as ignoring scripture, how do you feel about the many, many scriptures telling us that what God tells the Israel is also for the stranger and sojourners among them?

Also, how about what scripture tells us about how God views those gentiles who accept Him as the one true God?[/QUOTE]
 
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I just started thinking about this:

Romans 3 says that the Law stops every mouth and that all of mankind is held guilty before God because of it.

Romans 7 says that the Law is not sin; rather it is holy, just and good.

Galatians 3 says that the Law was our schoolmaster/tutor and was added because of transgressions.

However, Romans 8 says that the Law was "weak" and that Christ accomplished on the cross what the Law could not do.

Knowing that the Scriptures "cannot be broken" and that there are no real contradictions in Scripture, I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

Was/is the Law sufficient for its intended purpose, or was it not? I also know that the word "law" has different meanings and applications in Scripture.

This is NOT meant to be a discussion of whether Christians should follow the Law or not, but instead a discussion of what Scripture says about its intent and purpose.

I also realize that I might very well answer my own question because of what Christ has done.

Thanks! :cool:
It is because the Law spoken of here, is not the X commandments, or the other laws. Rather, the Law is pointing to the body, the physical body, while the Prophet is pointing the Spirit. The WORD is the Soul which is the binding that binds the two together.

Moses is the Law, and Elijah is the Prophet. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the WORD. So you have the Law, the Word and the Prophet- which is also what james, Peter and john was pointing too. James being the law, peter the word, and John the Prophet.

The Law, the Word and the Prophet is the kingdom authority, the Law and the Prophet are the two witnesses that testify of GOD. This is why there is the Law and the Prophets.

As there is the law, the Word and the Prophets, there is also the body, the soul and the Spirit. The Law is the body, the word is the soul and the prophet is the spirit. What paul is saying here is coded, its not a contradiction, rather it is pointing to the body that we all have, the mortal body.

everyone being in a mortal body is transgressing the sacred Law of Eternal Life. That is the Law that was broken in Eden, when Father Adam and Mother Eve ate the fruit from a certain tree which affected their physical body, resulting in mortality. Mortality is required for the procreation of Mankind, for Man cannot procreate in his perfect state; his celestial immortal body that is coupled in the image, and after the likeness of GOD. This image, is the same image called "Transfiguration". The fall of Man is a plan. GOD was not taken unnawares and can't be taken unnawares, and Father Adam, did what he had to do to kick start the mission of procreation of his own free will. As was written: Adam was not deceived, it was the woman that was deceived and found in the transgression.

Romans 3 says that the Law stops every mouth and that all of mankind is held guilty before God because of it.
This is pointing to the mortal state, the fallen state, which is the mortal body - the sin we are all born in.

Romans 7 says that the Law is not sin; rather it is holy, just and good.
This is pointing to the Law for Procreation, which is what held or imprisoned, Father Adam and Mother Eve in hell that was highlighted in John 12:24:

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

This is a law, because it is the only way it can happen. When you plant a seed, the seed dies and becomes a tree. You cannot retain that very seed again. It is lost forever. but the fruit it bears has seeds that can be planted. And when they are planted, they will also die, and bring forth fruit.

The same was true for Father Adam, and Mother Eve, who paid a certain price for the procreation of Mankind. And that price was that they would be held in hell for all eternity because they were that seed that must die to begin procreation. Father Adam, and Mother Eve were referred to by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, as the Lost sheep of Israel, and that is who HE came to bail out of hell, by taking their place as that seed that must dieto bring forth much fruit.

So the GOD came into the earth through the womb of a woman, the blessed Virgin mary, in the shoes of two personages, the Son of GOD, and the Son of Man, (Adam, and Elijah) to bail Mankind, Adam His Eminece, and Mother Eve her Grace, out of hell so that they can return to Eden, restored to their former glory. If Jesus His Pre-Eminence did not come to take their place, they could not ever have been resurrected, and restored to their former glory; they would have been lost for all eternity.

Thus, the Law for procreation is Holy. And that is the Law that jesus His Pre-Eminence, who is the GOD in HIS incarnate manifestation fulfiled. The Law brought death, because mortality is a death case. Meaning that every mortal must die. That is why mortality, which is the sin nature, leads to death.

Galatians 3 says that the Law was our schoolmaster/tutor and was added because of transgressions.

Indeed, the Law is our school master, that was supposed to bring our mindset to the height of knoweledge of GOD's statutes, and HIS laws, so that when the Prophet comes, we catch the revelations from the Prophet, and can understand them, so that we can meditate in them. That is why Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke in parables, so that them hearing will not understand. But those who were graduates of the Law and the Prophets; meaning they had been getting the message well, should have been able to understand HIS parables without HIM explaining them. This revealed that the Apostles were not at that height of knowledge and understanding. Here is an example of why it was important to have gtraduated from the teachings of the Law first.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This here is why the jews kicked against HIS messages, because what HE has said here has challenged the words teachings that Moses(the Law) gave to them. But what Jesus His Pre-Eminence was revealing, was that Moses did not teach the whole matter. Moses was only able to get to that height of understanding, and the GOD brought it all the way.

Thus, here HE revealed a revelation in what Moses was trying to say. HE also revealed here, that HE is the GOD that taught Moses.
Moses is the Law, and without knowing, thou shalt not commit adultery, the people would not have been able to understand the higher revelations of that - that if you even look at a woman to lust after her, you have committed adultery with her in your heart.

Therefore, the Law is our school master, like education when you travel from primary, to secondary, then to tertiary level, you muust know the former, before you can understand the more advanced.

It was written:

1 cor: 13
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things


Hebrews
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.


14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


However, Romans 8 says that the Law was "weak" and that Christ accomplished on the cross what the Law could not do.

Yes, the Law for procreation could not prevent Father Adam, and Mother Eve from being bailed. So Jesus of nazareth His Pre-Eminence , the GOD in HIS incarnate manifestation, in the shoes of the Son of GOD, bailed Mankind, Adam His Eminence out of hell by taking his place as the seed that had to die to bring forth much fruit.

This is meat, not milk.
 

gb9

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So, you accuse me of ignoring scripture!! It is a false accusation, and you know what scripture tells you about that, surely.

As far as ignoring scripture, how do you feel about the many, many scriptures telling us that what God tells the Israel is also for the stranger and sojourners among them?

Also, how about what scripture tells us about how God views those gentiles who accept Him as the one true God?
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yes, you ignore Scripture.

when God the Father spoke of the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those whom He brought out of egypt" , that is a clear, concise statement as to whom was under that covenant.

but, since you want the whole world to be under the old covenant, you ignore this clear statement made by God as to whom He made the Mosaic Covenant with.
 

Blik

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yes, you ignore Scripture.

when God the Father spoke of the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those whom He brought out of egypt" , that is a clear, concise statement as to whom was under that covenant.

but, since you want the whole world to be under the old covenant, you ignore this clear statement made by God as to whom He made the Mosaic Covenant with.[/QUOTE] I am not accusing you and you ARE accusing me. I have studied and prayed to understand, and I am stating what my understanding is. I know in my heart you are wrong, but it is your sincere belief you present. I object strongly, I truly find it offensive, to be accused of not listening to the lord. You have a right to freely express your interpretation, but you are even putting your right in danger by denying me that right without false accusations.
 

gb9

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yes, you ignore Scripture.

when God the Father spoke of the " Covenant He made with the fathers of those whom He brought out of egypt" , that is a clear, concise statement as to whom was under that covenant.

but, since you want the whole world to be under the old covenant, you ignore this clear statement made by God as to whom He made the Mosaic Covenant with.
I am not accusing you and you ARE accusing me. I have studied and prayed to understand, and I am stating what my understanding is. I know in my heart you are wrong, but it is your sincere belief you present. I object strongly, I truly find it offensive, to be accused of not listening to the lord. You have a right to freely express your interpretation, but you are even putting your right in danger by denying me that right without false accusations.[/QUOTE]


what interpretation ?

"the Covenant i made with the fathers of those who came out of egypt " speaks for itself.

when God the Father said exactly whom He made the Mosaic Covenant with, i believe and accept that.

you reject that in favor a personal belief system.

maybe you should stop being offended at what clear language states and believe it.
 
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I am not accusing you and you ARE accusing me. I have studied and prayed to understand, and I am stating what my understanding is. I know in my heart you are wrong, but it is your sincere belief you present. I object strongly, I truly find it offensive, to be accused of not listening to the lord. You have a right to freely express your interpretation, but you are even putting your right in danger by denying me that right without false accusations.
If you view it from another perspective, both of you are coming to similar conclusions from different premises.

The Covenant of Law was given to Israel only, and not gentiles.

Gentiles are allowed to join Israel at anytime during the OT, so long as they are willing to follow the Law of Moses and, for the males, be willing to undergo circumcision (Acts 15:1).

Once gentiles joined Israel, they ceased to become gentiles, and they are now Jews (Esther 8:17).

Thus, the Covenant of Law would now apply to these "former gentiles".
 

gb9

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If you view it from another perspective, both of you are coming to similar conclusions from different premises.

The Covenant of Law was given to Israel only, and not gentiles.

Gentiles are allowed to join Israel at anytime during the OT, so long as they are willing to follow the Law of Moses and, for the males, be willing to undergo circumcision (Acts 15:1).

Once gentiles joined Israel, they ceased to become gentiles, and they are now Jews (Esther 8:17).

Thus, the Covenant of Law would now apply to these "former gentiles".

right, but bilk thinks the we are all under the Mosaic Covenant.

she is hebrew roots, they think ( wrongly) that modern Christ followers are to keep the Law of Moses and the Sabbath.
 
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right, but bilk thinks the we are all under the Mosaic Covenant.

she is hebrew roots, they think ( wrongly) that modern Christ followers are to keep the Law of Moses and the Sabbath.
Yes, I think he/she does. He does not believe what Paul said in Romans 11:11, that the nation Israel has fallen, so now we gentiles can be saved without Israel.
 

Blik

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right, but bilk thinks the we are all under the Mosaic Covenant.

she is hebrew roots, they think ( wrongly) that modern Christ followers are to keep the Law of Moses and the Sabbath.
No. What I think is that the Lord gives us truth in all scripture. The old covenant is scripture, and if we know God is eternal, that time and the cultural changes of man does not affect that truth, God is above all that. So the old covenant is truth and the new covenant is truth. Yet under one is a command to be circumcised, and under the new covenant not to be circumcised, for example. We know God is always truth, we must find out if this is true about these differences. The Lord explains the difference, the Lord tells us the old covenant is obsolete. God does not say He takes back what he told us, that God made a mistake. We are to know God is truth, not a God of error. So how are some commands obsolete, and we find it is because those commands were to lead to the truth of the law, not the law itself. If they were law itself, then God gave the original law in error, and in that case God would not always be truth and God IS truth. We are given the Holy Spirit, now, to guide us to replace these commands.

God did not cancel truth He gave, God made it obsolete.