Forgive others who sin against you
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Peter, I feel sorry for you having to endure the ignorance and abuse of people like this. The level of Christian spiritual perception in the US is really at a gross, immature, superficial level. Though I have trouble understanding your comments many times due to your communication style, I can detect that you are are light-years beyond your detractors in understanding relational complexities and many spiritual truths (IMO).
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I don't know if it's a spirit or not, but every post on here is rebellion against forgiveness. Not "my" forgiveness. "Everyone else has it wrong" mentality.
Of all the people on this site that I trust to preach this message, (and I can count them on one hand, and some have since left), not one of them has come to this post to say a thing. Why is that?
Probably because everyone is talking about forgiveness while pointing at others. Seems a silly group to teach forgiveness.
And, yes, I am including myself, but at least I know I don't get forgiveness all that well, so I'm not preaching it. My ability NOT to get forgiveness clearly teaches me I'm the last person to come to to learn about it. Don't you see you could join me on that?
If anyone came with the attitude of "I don't get it, but maybe we can suss it out together," it might be something to listen to.
Of all the people on this site that I trust to preach this message, (and I can count them on one hand, and some have since left), not one of them has come to this post to say a thing. Why is that?
Probably because everyone is talking about forgiveness while pointing at others. Seems a silly group to teach forgiveness.
And, yes, I am including myself, but at least I know I don't get forgiveness all that well, so I'm not preaching it. My ability NOT to get forgiveness clearly teaches me I'm the last person to come to to learn about it. Don't you see you could join me on that?
If anyone came with the attitude of "I don't get it, but maybe we can suss it out together," it might be something to listen to.
I forgive everyone because simply I am in no position to know what is guilt and what is innocence.
When I make an observation about ideas or positions, it is not an attack, it is just an observation.
The sad things is people take these issues so to heart, they actually feel emotional pain, because it causes a problem or a conflict in how they find peace or belief in themselves. I must therefore be guilty of an intentional insult or attack, but this is not of my making, it is a 100% consequence of taking an impossible position.
Unless people realise this is the problem with truth, it is brutal and holds no prisoners. When Jesus said
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26
Now this is a comparison between loyalties, you have to give up everything to know Christ, though in many senses everything will be given back but with great depth and truth that did not exist before.
If anyone says anything that is challenging it is the challenge that needs resolving not the messenger.
When I make an observation about ideas or positions, it is not an attack, it is just an observation.
The sad things is people take these issues so to heart, they actually feel emotional pain, because it causes a problem or a conflict in how they find peace or belief in themselves. I must therefore be guilty of an intentional insult or attack, but this is not of my making, it is a 100% consequence of taking an impossible position.
Unless people realise this is the problem with truth, it is brutal and holds no prisoners. When Jesus said
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26
Now this is a comparison between loyalties, you have to give up everything to know Christ, though in many senses everything will be given back but with great depth and truth that did not exist before.
If anyone says anything that is challenging it is the challenge that needs resolving not the messenger.
I am not sure what you mean by this? If a person believe in OSAS that is their issue, not mine. So I have nothing to forgive.
The problem is if I mention something, as part of a subject, some feel sensitive to the issue.
It is like if I say the earth is round, I have travelled to Australia and they live in a different time zone.
I am not getting at flat earthers, or not forgiving them or even knowing how they are reacting. I have to apologise if stating something I believe is obvious upsets someone, it is not my intention, it is just saying what my point of view is.
It is no more complicated that that.
The problem is if I mention something, as part of a subject, some feel sensitive to the issue.
It is like if I say the earth is round, I have travelled to Australia and they live in a different time zone.
I am not getting at flat earthers, or not forgiving them or even knowing how they are reacting. I have to apologise if stating something I believe is obvious upsets someone, it is not my intention, it is just saying what my point of view is.
It is no more complicated that that.
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LOL Every single "teaching"/"message" you give on here is haughtily pointing fingers at some other group of people. You are always angry at someone for not getting something the exact way you get it. I have never seen you forgive anyone for anything, nor teach well. For teaching you tend to contradict yourself within the same teaching most of the time. The rest of the time you simply wait until you post your next "message."
I do not teach often, because I'm a lousy teacher. I do write, so I might give a lesson of something I learned, but even then it's not to tell people the proper way to act, nor is it to force their hands to agree with me. Forcing hands tends to prove no forgiveness to begin with. And, yes, you are forever trying to force someone's hand. What you haven't figure out yet is it doesn't work.
I am a lousy teacher. You're worse. I'm not very good at forgiving either, but at least I know that. I wish you'd figure out the same thing.
I do not teach often, because I'm a lousy teacher. I do write, so I might give a lesson of something I learned, but even then it's not to tell people the proper way to act, nor is it to force their hands to agree with me. Forcing hands tends to prove no forgiveness to begin with. And, yes, you are forever trying to force someone's hand. What you haven't figure out yet is it doesn't work.
I am a lousy teacher. You're worse. I'm not very good at forgiving either, but at least I know that. I wish you'd figure out the same thing.
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Well, this is what we do., we get a cup of coffee and email right here. That is having coffee together although you are in Canada and I am in the US.
I was hoping you might have seen that silly movie too! Oh well. I will email you. Or, better yet youtube may have a link? How could I have forgotten youtube??????
I was hoping you might have seen that silly movie too! Oh well. I will email you. Or, better yet youtube may have a link? How could I have forgotten youtube??????
no I didn't see it
email anytime!
