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In revelation 2 one of the people that Jesus called to repent ( change your mind ) is Jezebel . Here are below some great grace-based teaching on this subject and many others too. I like to use this website as it tackles the obscure scriptures and often false assumptions and accusations about the grace of Christ.
It's important to feed ourselves in the areas that the Lord is bringing to us to look into so that we can grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
Rest assured it is NOT our Advocate that is accusing us. He does love us and correct us but never accuses us. That is the very name of satan is accuser. I can assure you that Jesus is not satan.
There are a number of articles about the people in Revelation 2 and 3..:
Strike Her Children Dead (Revelation 2:23) ( Jezebel one )
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/06/...velation-2v23/
This one is all about the Laodicean church.
https://escapetoreality.org/category/laodicean-church/
This one is about " Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)"
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...rdis-rev-31-6/
Here is one about." Forsaking Your First Love: What Was the Ephesians’ Problem? (Rev 2:1-7)"
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...blem-rev-21-7/
Here is one about " Holding Fast in Thyatira: The Seductress versus the Savior (Rev 2:18-29)
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...or-rev-218-29/
It's important to feed ourselves in the areas that the Lord is bringing to us to look into so that we can grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.
Rest assured it is NOT our Advocate that is accusing us. He does love us and correct us but never accuses us. That is the very name of satan is accuser. I can assure you that Jesus is not satan.
There are a number of articles about the people in Revelation 2 and 3..:
Strike Her Children Dead (Revelation 2:23) ( Jezebel one )
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/06/...velation-2v23/
This one is all about the Laodicean church.
https://escapetoreality.org/category/laodicean-church/
This one is about " Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)"
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...rdis-rev-31-6/
Here is one about." Forsaking Your First Love: What Was the Ephesians’ Problem? (Rev 2:1-7)"
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...blem-rev-21-7/
Here is one about " Holding Fast in Thyatira: The Seductress versus the Savior (Rev 2:18-29)
https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...or-rev-218-29/
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Hi Robby, thank you for your comment! If you owe someone $20, and your buddy pays it without you knowing, you are forgiven that debt by the person holding the debt. You may not know it's paid, but it's paid, and it can never be brought up in court against you as having not been paid. You ARE FORGIVEN that debt!
When you understand the debt has been paid, you can either try to pay it anyway (which is kind of foolish isn't it?), or you can accept that it has been paid by someone else and reap the benefit of it for as long as the person who paid the debt lives! He is the only witness that can testify it was paid.
Forgiveness has taken place through the person of Jesus Christ. There is nothing left to do after receiving that truth. Receiving the gospel and accepting the payment Christ has already made is receiving His already made provision of forgiveness! In Gods book your account is clean and have been forgiven the only thing left between you and Him which was unbelief. He will never hold our sins against us because they were already removed 2,000 years ago by His Son before we were even born. Once we have trusted in His Sons sacrifice for sin and resurrection from the dead, we are "in Christ", and there is NOTHING that can ever come between us and God again!
When you understand the debt has been paid, you can either try to pay it anyway (which is kind of foolish isn't it?), or you can accept that it has been paid by someone else and reap the benefit of it for as long as the person who paid the debt lives! He is the only witness that can testify it was paid.
Forgiveness has taken place through the person of Jesus Christ. There is nothing left to do after receiving that truth. Receiving the gospel and accepting the payment Christ has already made is receiving His already made provision of forgiveness! In Gods book your account is clean and have been forgiven the only thing left between you and Him which was unbelief. He will never hold our sins against us because they were already removed 2,000 years ago by His Son before we were even born. Once we have trusted in His Sons sacrifice for sin and resurrection from the dead, we are "in Christ", and there is NOTHING that can ever come between us and God again!
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LOL....No. I am a truth of the Word of God devotee. This man can make mistakes, and I would never share a link that he was in direct conflict of the truth of scripture. This link on repentance is truth.
There are only two ways to look at the gospel. Either He did it and it is done when we believe it, or He did it and we continue it. The former saves, the latter will mean separation from God for eternity. I have seen some of your comments and I don't expect to say anything to make you rethink your position with God, but if you dump your pride and ask God for the truth in His Word, you will be shown the error in your thinking. I won't argue this with you, but I will pray for you. You are either completely lost with no hope, or you are saved and have been deceived.
There are only two ways to look at the gospel. Either He did it and it is done when we believe it, or He did it and we continue it. The former saves, the latter will mean separation from God for eternity. I have seen some of your comments and I don't expect to say anything to make you rethink your position with God, but if you dump your pride and ask God for the truth in His Word, you will be shown the error in your thinking. I won't argue this with you, but I will pray for you. You are either completely lost with no hope, or you are saved and have been deceived.
On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures sayafter Christ's death and resurrection.
Sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously happening in the present.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...
and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.
Sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously happening in the present.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...
and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.
The cross of Jesus does mean something to the New Covenant Christian believer. We need to interpret all scripture in light of the finished work of Christ. To not do so - we end up with a mixing of the covenants and we end up with a mess and a works-based D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness religion.
We have a great salvation in our Lord and a good loving Father.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
We have a great salvation in our Lord and a good loving Father.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
Good stuff. Welcome to the forum Scriptureplz. You and I are going to get along just fine.
Oh no!..are you another one of those " rightly divide the word " Christians that believe the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ actually accomplished something?......my goodness..I wonder what other "heretical" beliefs you have......
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Oh no!..are you another one of those " rightly divide the word " Christians that believe the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ actually accomplished something?......my goodness..I wonder what other "heretical" beliefs you have......
Because of His work on the cross........forgiveness is available to all who ask.......the price for our sin has been paid....however, that precious blood/price must be applied......so, isn't the question: when is the precious blood of Christ applied?
(Scriptures provided)
The Precious Blood of Jesus
1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”
6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …
8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
(Scriptures provided)
The Precious Blood of Jesus
1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”
6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …
8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
The sacrifice for the sins has already been made. The scriptures say that it is when we believe we receive the forgiveness of sins because of the blood of Jesus.
Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His nameeveryone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
[SUP]46 [/SUP] For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
One of the interesting things here is that it does not say that Cornelius and his household actually "said" anything. They believed in their hearts obviously. ( I'm sure they said something after the Holy Spirit came upon them )
Acts 15 gives us the answer about Cornelius and the others with him that day...
Acts 15:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His nameeveryone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
[SUP]46 [/SUP] For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
[SUP]47 [/SUP] "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
One of the interesting things here is that it does not say that Cornelius and his household actually "said" anything. They believed in their hearts obviously. ( I'm sure they said something after the Holy Spirit came upon them )
Acts 15 gives us the answer about Cornelius and the others with him that day...
Acts 15:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
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We have not really said anything different from each other, except maybe that I consider from Gods perspective, scripture teaches He has forgiven our sin debt already. God only holds us accountable for the sin of unbelief according to scripture IMO (John 3:18, John 16:8-9). If all our sin was placed on Christ on the cross BEFORE we were born, there are no sins left for us to be forgiven of, except the sin of unbelief. Which is the only unpardonable sin we can possibly face today.
[h=1]Romans 5:10[/h] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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