Forgiveness: conditional or unconditional?

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JaumeJ

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#62
There is but one gospel, as taught in the Word first to our spiritual father, Abraham.
 

Magenta

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#63
Lol

its the TERM

a condition is made to earn a wage

a decision is made to recieve a gift.

huge difference
I don't know where you get such definitions.

Salvation is conditioned upon repentance and faith/belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

I don't know why or how you can deny this.

And you say people don't make that decision to repent and believe.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#64
So, hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ does not come before believing the gospel unto salvation? That’s the truth of Ephesians 1:13...
It’s not a condition
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#65
I’m now appealing to the dispensationalist in you...the verses below sound conditional...awww, the importance of rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

If you forgive others, then I’ll forgive you.
lol. You want to earn your salvation feel free
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#66
I say ' prerequisite ' to be saved by God . Faith in the Gospel is needed . That is God's design and plan.
Faith is desired

God willing that non should perish but all would come

your putting terms and requirements on Gods grace, shame on you,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#68
I don't know where you get such definitions.

Salvation is conditioned upon repentance and faith/belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

I don't know why or how you can deny this.

And you say people don't make that decision to repent and believe.

You can't have it both ways.
i see no place where salvation is conditioned on any works,

but if you want to preach a works based gospel feel free

once again, a decision is different that a condition

ehy you can’t see this is beyond me

again, your feeding right into the calvinist view of faith equaling our own work
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#70
You know I rightly divide the words of Jesus to the Jews under the law prior to the cross and what Jesus gave Paul to the body of Christ after the cross.
I know you twist the word to fit your belief system

good day sir
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#71
Well, I order for one to be saved, they must hear the gospel message of Jesus Christ.
There will be many in heaven who have never heard the name of jesus

how dare you limit God
 

John146

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#72
i see no place where salvation is conditioned on any works,

but if you want to preach a works based gospel feel free

once again, a decision is different that a condition

ehy you can’t see this is beyond me

again, your feeding right into the calvinist view of faith equaling our own work
Actually, calvinists believe one doesn’t even need to hear the gospel. One is regenerated before hearing. Is this what you believe? Or is it necessary for one to hear the gospel of truth first?
 

throughfaith

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#74
Faith is desired

God willing that non should perish but all would come

your putting terms and requirements on Gods grace, shame on you,
Its God that gives the requirements . Your ignoring what God has said in the bible.
 

throughfaith

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#75
There will be many in heaven who have never heard the name of jesus

how dare you limit God
Really ?
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#77
Its God that gives the requirements . Your ignoring what God has said in the bible.
Nope

just stating a fact

we are saved by grace

faith is a decision. Not a condition

your trying to make faith a work
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#78
Really ?
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
yep Who is the one doing this? God is it not?

ps, Jesus is a Greek name, not a hebrew name, he has many names.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#79
Stick to the Scriptures and not virtue signalling.
I am

we are saved by grace

it’s funny, you hate calvinism, yet here you are agreeing with them
 

throughfaith

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#80
Nope

just stating a fact

we are saved by grace

faith is a decision. Not a condition

your trying to make faith a work
I've said countless times on here that the bible counts faith as the opposite of works . I believe the bible on this quite literally .