Free Will compatible with Sovereignty
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sadly, Calvinists do not hold scripture as the standard by which we come to know God, but the teachings of Calvin instead.
we have been over and over this in these forums and here another Calvinist has decided to try to convince those who are not of his beliefs, that we are wrong
a person would almost come to think that without Calvin by your side, you are not saved
there is NO regeneration without the Holy Spirit and you do not receive the Holy Spirit until you have first accepted Christ
that, is what is actually the order for salvation.
Calvinists believe that everyone born is guilty of Adam's sin but that is not what scripture states.
the Bible teaches that we are born with a sin nature. we are prone to sin. we are not guilty of Adam's sin, but because of his sin, we now have a fallen nature which God redeems through the sacrifice of His Son and His blood shed. Jesus never sinned and therefore, His sacrifice fulfilled the law which was held against us as no one is able to keep it
we are, as believers, now IN Christ and we have forgiveness of our sins and are sealed by the Holy Spirit
it is at this point that the Holy Spirit begins to work within us. He does not regenerate those who are without the body of Christ
however, a Calvinist will throw scripture taken out of context, into the mix and try to convince you that unless you are regenerated, you cannot accept Christ
that, is totally out of context, but Calvinists are convinced their method of cherry picking verses is doctrine. it is only Calvin's doctrine.
it is not God's doctrine
we have been over and over this in these forums and here another Calvinist has decided to try to convince those who are not of his beliefs, that we are wrong
a person would almost come to think that without Calvin by your side, you are not saved
there is NO regeneration without the Holy Spirit and you do not receive the Holy Spirit until you have first accepted Christ
that, is what is actually the order for salvation.
Calvinists believe that everyone born is guilty of Adam's sin but that is not what scripture states.
the Bible teaches that we are born with a sin nature. we are prone to sin. we are not guilty of Adam's sin, but because of his sin, we now have a fallen nature which God redeems through the sacrifice of His Son and His blood shed. Jesus never sinned and therefore, His sacrifice fulfilled the law which was held against us as no one is able to keep it
we are, as believers, now IN Christ and we have forgiveness of our sins and are sealed by the Holy Spirit
it is at this point that the Holy Spirit begins to work within us. He does not regenerate those who are without the body of Christ
however, a Calvinist will throw scripture taken out of context, into the mix and try to convince you that unless you are regenerated, you cannot accept Christ
that, is totally out of context, but Calvinists are convinced their method of cherry picking verses is doctrine. it is only Calvin's doctrine.
it is not God's doctrine
All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the truths within them. Your belief system does not allow the scriptures to harmonize. Eph 1:11, says "In whom also we have obtained (not will obtain) an inheritance". We already have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by having obtained an inheritance. Sealed (to stamp) The security of our inheritance, along with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, is in comparison, to a king's message in an envelope and sealed with his stamp to be delivered, in security, to its receiver. Just like our inheritance of heaven is sealed with the Holy Spirit, and that seal cannot be broken by anyone until Christ comes and gathers his elect from the four corners of the earth.
God's hand being shortened does not make for sound doctrine. With your belief that God has to have your acceptance before he can save you, is shortening his hand. Isaiah 50:2, Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? Or have I no power to deliver?
You will never understand the truths within the scriptures unless they harmonize.
You will never understand the truths within the scriptures unless they harmonize.
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I have heard it said that "there is simplicity in the scriptures". May be for some, but it comes with much study and mystery to me. I know that the scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the truths within them. I believe the scriptures to teach that God gave mankind a free will to choose how he wants to live his life here on earth, but, when it comes to mankind's eternal salvation, it is by God's sovereign grace, without the approval of mankind. This seems to come closer to harmonizing the scriptures.
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baloney
no one would be saved if their mind could not accept that Jesus died for them
this error of saying the Holy Spirit regenerates people so that they can be saved, is one of the most grievous mistakes Calvin made
you have salvation in reverse
what Jesus was actually stating, is that you must be 'born again'
He was not saying what you state
Jesus was speaking of REBIRTH
no one would be saved if their mind could not accept that Jesus died for them
this error of saying the Holy Spirit regenerates people so that they can be saved, is one of the most grievous mistakes Calvin made
you have salvation in reverse
what Jesus was actually stating, is that you must be 'born again'
He was not saying what you state
Jesus was speaking of REBIRTH
Do you not believe the Holy Spirit can convict a person to the truth of God's word, through the preaching of God's word without indwelling that person? Pricking at his heart? We can resist those pricks, or we can give into the truth and believe God's word. That's the power of the preaching of the cross. A seed is planted which is the word of God. The Holy Spirit can help cultivate that seed inside a person without indwelling that person.