Free will? really?

[RickShafer]

Nice to hear from the universalists.
Pie in the sky eaters.
Those who hold to Pollyanna rather than Polycarp.
Totally delusioned by their own saturated (nonsense into oblivion) socialism.
- Yea...those types.
- - Nice hearing from you two. (Weren't you two on here before) - Oh well, all pollyanna universalists are the same.
- - - Maybe you can find some scrap metal to scrape together and ignite a revolution.
- - - - Of course you will have to hire a metallurgist to smelt them into weapons.
- - - - - But then you would have to pay him for his time......(Ohhh!....that's the rub)

 

[SpiritofFire]

Nice to hear from the universalists.
Pie in the sky eaters.
Those who hold to Pollyanna rather than Polycarp.
Totally delusioned by their own saturated (nonsense into oblivion) socialism.
- Yea...those types.
- - Nice hearing from you two. (Weren't you two on here before) - Oh well, all pollyanna universalists are the same.
- - - Maybe you can find some scrap metal to scrape together and ignite a revolution.
- - - - Of course you will have to hire a metallurgist to smelt them into weapons.
- - - - - But then you would have to pay him for his time......(Ohhh!....that's the rub)

Again I ask you to stop calling me something I'm not.

What do I need weapons for? Not by power or might, but spirit says the Lord!
That means simply speaking of the truth!

But I see those who are most comfortable with their lives are the hardest to change. Just remember that those empty houses will STILL be here when you die. And if you are unfaithful in that which you cannot take with you, how can you be entrusted with heavenly treasure?

Whether you or I believe in the salvation of all is irrelevant. I'm saying we can debate that as much as you like, AFTER we stop 19, 000 kids from dying daily simply from lack of food!

Or do you expect these kids who have no opportunity to work to do just that, pharaoh?

 

[RickShafer]

Me - Red

Again I ask you to stop calling me something I'm not. I'm so sorry

What do I need weapons for? Not by power or might, but spirit says the Lord! By MY Spirit says the Lord.
That means simply speaking of the truth!

But I see those who are most comfortable with their lives are the hardest to change. Just remember that those empty houses will STILL be here when you die. And if you are unfaithful in that which you cannot take with you, how can you be entrusted with heavenly treasure? This is a misreading, it's not "what you cannot take with you", it's what talents that God has entrusted you with.

Whether you or I believe in the salvation of all is irrelevant. I'm saying we can debate that as much as you like, AFTER we stop 19, 000 kids from dying daily simply from lack of food! So you need to do something about it! Why are you here? You need to be in Topanga as part of a UNICEF outfit. - (Have you ever thought of that?)
Or do you expect these kids who have no opportunity to work to do just that, pharaoh? (I expect nothing,.......Which distances me from the mindset of Pharaoh.) - (But I appreciate the compliment none the less) - I most assuredly give you a warm and hearty 'thank you' from my encrypted tomb.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Me - Red
Again I ask you to stop calling me something I'm not. I'm so sorry

What do I need weapons for? Not by power or might, but spirit says the Lord! By MY Spirit says the Lord.
That means simply speaking of the truth!

But I see those who are most comfortable with their lives are the hardest to change. Just remember that those empty houses will STILL be here when you die. And if you are unfaithful in that which you cannot take with you, how can you be entrusted with heavenly treasure? This is a misreading, it's not "what you cannot take with you", it's what heavenly that God entrusted you with.

Whether you or I believe in the salvation of all is irrelevant. I'm saying we can debate that as much as you like, AFTER we stop 19, 000 kids from dying daily simply from lack of food! So you need to do something about it! Why are you here? You need to be in Topanga as part of a UNICEF outfit. - (Have you ever thought of that?)
Or do you expect these kids who have no opportunity to work to do just that, pharaoh? (I expect nothing).......(Which distances me from the mindset of Pharaoh. - (But I appreciate the compliment none the less) - I most assuredly give you a warm and hearty 'thank you' from my encrypted tomb.

Have you ever seen the Matrix movie? If so, how can we fix anything based upon the same model or system we used to bring us to this point to begin with?

Again money is now useless, and it Will fall!

 

[SpiritofFire]

I thought the beast causes all to get the mark, and without it you cannot buy or sell? Or is buying and selling now not dealing with having the money to buy?

 

[SpiritofFire]

If 19, 000 kids are starving to death everyday, all I'm asking is do the people have the FREE WILL to feed them, FREELY?

 

[RickShafer]

Duly noted,....thank you for your concerns.
Your job and personage and soul is important to us here at Pyramid Industries, and we here at Pyramid share in all of your concerns.
(Please take a number,.........and wait for the beep)
We will get back to you within 14 days.
If you don't hear from us by then, please don't call back.
Thank You for making Pyramid Industries a part of your life and a part of your day!!!- Good Bye. (click)

 

[SpiritofFire]

Duly noted,....thank you for your concerns.
Your job and personage and soul is important to us here at Pyramid Industries, and we here at Pyramid share in all of your concerns.
(Please take a number,.........and wait for the beep)
We will get back to you within 14 days.
If you don't hear from us by then, please don't call back.
Thank You for making pyramid Industries a part of your day! - Good Bye. (click)

Is it a good thing to feed 19, 000 of our brethren who starves to death every day?

These children are DYING AND YOU MAKE JOKES!?

From out of the heart....

 

[SpiritofFire]

Why run? Why not answer?

 

[RickShafer]

Is it a good thing to feed 19, 000 of our brethren who starves to death every day?

These children are DYING AND YOU MAKE JOKES!?

From out of the heart....

Go to then.
Go ye into all the world.
Feed them!
Ye shall feed them!
No? (Why not?)
It's not because you are too busy arguing is it?
- Oh, man......(Please go) - Feed the hungry.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Go to then.
Go ye into all the world.
Feed them!
Ye shall feed them!
No? (Why not?)
It's not because you are too busy arguing is it?
- Oh, man......(Please go) - Feed the hungry.

One man will die a fool, but there are stregth in numbers! I search for the Lord's true army!

Now if government is a reflection of the people, then their hearts are darkened indeed!

But I want to live! And for it I WILL go bodly to the throne of grace!

Now I ask again, is it a good thing to feed them?

 

[RickShafer]

One man will die a fool, but there are stregth in numbers! I search for the Lord's true army!

Now if government is a reflection of the people, then their hearts are darkened indeed!

But I want to live! And for it I WILL go bodly to the throne of grace!

Now I ask again, is it a good thing to feed them?

You talk alot but you don't do.
You need to go!
That is what you are called to do. Go and feed them!
Stop talking and start walking! (See Mother Teresa)

 

[SpiritofFire]

I have. Im asking for help from those who say they love the Lord. Do you love Him enough to lay your life down for our brethren who are starving?

 

[homwardbound]

Some people who did not have free will in the bible:

1. Peter- He said he will not deny Jesus Christ, but he did
2. Paul- a persecutor who was going to kill christians. Paul did not accept Jesus and got saved, but God changed him. NO FREE WILL
3. Adam- it was a part of God's plan for Adam to sin, because Jesus was appointed to die for our sins ever before the foundation of the world (1Pet 1:20)
4. Israelite- Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
5. Pharoah- God hardens his heart. (Roman 9:17-18, exodus 9:12)
4. Eve- God put a heart that can lust in Eve's body, because of which she sinned.
6. Satan- If u read Job, u will notice that Satan is actually asking permission from God

and so many others...

"In Whom also we have OBTAINED an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE of Him Who works ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL" (Eph. 1:11). "For it is God which works in you both TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
"For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, [this is the cause an force behind our Christian walk. We are ‘His workmanship’ in action, not some presumed freedom of the will in action] created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has BEFORE ORDAINED that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).

God forces no one to believe. Saul could have said no to the new life? FREE WILL
God foreknew that Adam and Eve would eat and God knowing had is plan in sight with Christ his Son. The only thing left is to either believe or not. That is the only thing Christ never died for is whether we believe or not.
Again FREE Choice, will, as to whether we believe or not. Belief set free, no belief remain convicted of sin over and over again trying to get God to forgive you over and over again, when it is finished and done in Christ by his death first and then life in the resurrection. This is for us if we will believe, or not
John 16:9 of sin, because they believe not on me;

Many are claiming belief in Christ, yet do not believe this
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If we would believe that verse and there are many more that state we are reconciled, redeemed, forgiven, we would be by god set free from Sin in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God, or don't we know this
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This all resides on free will as in whether we believe God or not that God has done this for you personally or not.
It is such an amazing salvation, that many are taking advantage of, and those that do will bot escape, if they neglect
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 

[homwardbound]

Myabe Calvinism arouses your anger because you cant let of the fact that God's decree's and not you?

What a beautiful twist to continue to incite one's flesh. No worries here for me By Christ my conscious is purged by Christ and the cross. Dead to flesh and alive to God by God, by me agreeing with God that God the Father now my Father through Christ also is the only one good, and am thankful for the redemption found in Christ, by the death and the new life found in the resurrection received as a gift from God the moment I believed God.
God did not force me, Rather God showed me God's Mercy and I said yes As Saul did who became Paul and did not confer with flesh and blood, when he could have gone to the disciples and learned from them. But he did not.
Yet we as flesh continue to confer with other flesh and arguments and getting riled over other's thoughts is totally useless.
I know by the death of Christ in the flesh, that this is also my death and anyone else's if they choose to see, self's death and death to all flesh, asking God the Father to co-crucify their own flesh and this world's ways to the cross's death of Christ. So that one might see the resurrection and be born again from God receiving the free gift that God came to give.
Born again, in the Spirit of God
John 12:24 For sure, I tell you, unless a seed falls into the ground and dies, it will only be a seed. If it dies, it will give much grain

What an allegory for one to die in their own self flesh so:
Romans 6:11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[phil36]

Hi Homeward ,

You do love that Romans 6.

 

[homwardbound]

Me - Red.

[/U][/COLOR]Which proves my point, thank you

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Yep my words. Which you claimed supported you



Wow phil, can you believe this crap? See why I get so angry at MOST calvanists. they have no basis to support their claims of their argument against what I say, thus they lower themselves to attacks like this.

Compair me with skinski? And call me an arminain?? How can I be arminain when I believe in perseverance of the saints?

Thats your problem rick, it is either calvin or arminian or roman catholic. there is no inbetween. And you wonder why I claim YOU follow men.. You just proved why I make this claim against YOU



When did I say that? can you show me where I said this? God controls my destiny. I have always said this. And thanks for proving you do not read anything I say.

Why is it you never responded to this??

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Can you tell me where in this statement I am trusting myself?

Again all you just did was prove you do not know what I believe. Then again you think I am arminian..lol.




lol. Arminians believe salvation can be lost, Like skinski. They think they work to earn it. Like skinski. They teach law and obedience, like skinski.

I teach NON OF THESE THINGS.

Thanks you just proves once again you are in religion and do not listen to a thing people say.


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There is? Says who? If there was even a small island of righteousness, I might not need Christ. I might be saved by law.

Man you are so indoctrinated.. Yu can;t even fathom what people believe, you just proved it this whole post.


The schoolmaster led me. Like it leads everyone. If you ignore it (like romans 1 says many do) then you have sealed your own fate.

if you listen, and allow it to teach you. (with Gods help of course) you have a chance to trust God completely. and in doing so you will be saved.


of note. this thread has definately lost its nicety.. Even phil knows I don;t believe what you just claimed I believe. Now we have just stooped to low blows and attacks..

Het EG, it seems they are getting you into a flesh battle, which never solves a thing, and just ask God and trust, grow from this Brother, just grow and see nothing new under the sun.
And without God in the lead, no one is nothing more than a clanging symbol
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Greatest Gift[/h]13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

So Brother, see what is happening and what is causing your own flesh to be back alive and get angry, when God does just love you and all. Reality is not all see this truth of free will. many are viewing God as a tyrant. Now if God was this, then I think God would have never gone to the cross to do what he did by one sacrifice
Colossians 1:22
in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

So here is the free choice, either we believe this from God or we don't, Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet flesh does not want to die and unless flesh dies there is no life so we are to reckon ourselves dead via the cross and thus alive to God in the Spirit of God where that is the only place God can be worshipped today in Spirit and truth

1. John 4:23
   But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
   John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
   John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
   John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

 

[phil36]

Hi homewadbound,

You have a very unhealthy fixation with the flesh. That's all you can talk about no matter what the thread is.

 

[homwardbound]

Good grief!
All creation has a ruler.
You are an anarchist? You will be killed by a bigger one.
All creation has a ruler.
The ants have a ruler.
The pigs have a ruler.
The anarchist's have a ruler.
We all have a ruler,..... fool!
Either Satan or Jesus...that's it!

No flesh Spirit coming out of you is there Rick?

 

[homwardbound]

If Jesus was the head of your life you wouldn't hold to foolish and inane superstitions.
"Let's all be equal!" (You say)
O.K. Now, who is going to meet out the measure of 'equalness'?
Who? O.K. Right there, that arbiter has become a judge.
So that arbiter is not equal with those he/she is arbitrating....(as to who gets what, according to how hard they worked or their value to the state of total equalness)
See?
Can you see yet?
How that there can never be total and complete equality in material things?
Only equality under the law,.....that is the best humans can do.

Wow! is there a battle for control going on here? Flesh fighting flesh Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!