Friends, what do you think of our Lady of Fatima?

[Scotth1960]

[quote=eternally-gratefull;483111]1. She is not a virgin, He husband "knew here" This is a sexual term. If Joseph did not "know mary" then the scripture lied.

Dear eternallygratefull, see: Antidicomariante en-wikipedia.org/wiki/antidicomarianite

The KJV and other Protestant translations of Matthew 1:25 are in error.
The true and correct translation of Matthew 1:25 is the ONT: page 2.
Cf. Matthew 1:24-25 ONT: "And Joseph, having been awakened from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took to him his wife, and was not knowing her until she brought forth her Son, the firstborn; and he called His name Jesus."
Note on Matt. 1:25 ONT, page 76: "He was not knowing her until" (ouk eginosken auten heos). Note the imperfect tense, continuous or linear action, "he was not knowing" or "he kept on not knowing."
For the correct meaning of "until" in Matthew 1:25, See "Virgin Until" in "Facing Up to Mary", chapter 8, cf. pp. 110-111; in Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. (1992). Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith. Revised and expanded edition. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.

God bless you.

For more information on the Virgin Mary, see "The Protoevangelium of James". See GOOGLE for more information, and I believe it's available in English translation online.
This is tradition that helps us understand the correct meaning of the Scriptures. Not everything extra-biblical is faulty, and we can get insights even more from the Church Fathers, none of whom believed Mary had physical relations with St. Joseph.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington July 4, 2011 AD


2. The queen of heaven or mother of God is found in pagan writting which pre-date the NT and even Christ. It is not a protestant reproduction of anything. It is known the romans at the aime of Augustone where deeply engrained and worshiping these Gods.

3. Mary is blessed. She was seen as a fornicator. and gave birth to a bastard Child because it is impossible to get pregnant without having sex. People did not believe she was supernaturally impregnated. and also because she is a sinner, And the fact that a sinner could give birth to our savior. how much more blessed can you be? You can't be, Even abraham did not get this blessing. She is not only blessed among all woman as scripture says. she is prety much blessed more than all men if we really look at it.

4. No one should be venerated or worshiped. Look at daniel and revelation when both men attempted to fall on their knees. The angel said. No no. Not me, Only God gets that honor. I am created just like you. If an angel of God refuses this honor. I doubt mary would agree with this honor either. Especially since she was a sinner, and the angel was never a sinner.



Mary was neither sinless. nor did she overcome sin. And yes she had to be saved by her son. And no she was not the first person saved. When christ said it is finished. At that point all mankind before this time was saved at the same time. And our salvation was completed.

 

[Scotth1960]

1. She is not a virgin, He husband "knew here" This is a sexual term. If Joseph did not "know mary" then the scripture lied.
For further light on the teachings of the early Church see:

Church Fathers Protoevangelium of James
NEW ADVENT: Home > Fathers of the Church

2. The queen of heaven or mother of God is found in pagan writting which pre-date the NT and even Christ. It is not a protestant reproduction of anything. It is known the romans at the aime of Augustone where deeply engrained and worshiping these Gods.

3. Mary is blessed. She was seen as a fornicator. and gave birth to a bastard Child because it is impossible to get pregnant without having sex. People did not believe she was supernaturally impregnated. and also because she is a sinner, And the fact that a sinner could give birth to our savior. how much more blessed can you be? You can't be, Even abraham did not get this blessing. She is not only blessed among all woman as scripture says. she is prety much blessed more than all men if we really look at it.

4. No one should be venerated or worshiped. Look at daniel and revelation when both men attempted to fall on their knees. The angel said. No no. Not me, Only God gets that honor. I am created just like you. If an angel of God refuses this honor. I doubt mary would agree with this honor either. Especially since she was a sinner, and the angel was never a sinner.



Mary was neither sinless. nor did she overcome sin. And yes she had to be saved by her son. And no she was not the first person saved. When christ said it is finished. At that point all mankind before this time was saved at the same time. And our salvation was completed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you prove from Scripture that the Church is the property of individuals, or is it the Body of Christ?

Are you a member of the body of Christ? Are you an induvidual? Thats what I thought.

Do you have the HS or do you not? Do you reject that fact the HS who is in you can help you understand scripture?

I really do not think you understand how much you are taking away from the power of God.

Why do you keep talking about "your church". There is no "your church" or "my church". There is only the Church (1 Tim. 3:15; Ephesians 4).

So which church is it? I talk about your church and my church to show you that no denomination on earth will be held responsible if they teach you wrong. YOUR the one who is responsible. If you mess up because you believed in the wrong church. Thats your fault. Not your churches!

Also, what about private interpretation of Scripture? Does it come from personal responsibility for private interpretation?

Scott

It comes from someone trying to interpret scripture there own way without the help of God. Again do you have the HS or do you not? If you don't. Your not saved. If you do. You can study and learn scripture with Gods help. To deny this is to deny the power of God who is in you.

Not so. James and Zebedee have nothing at all to prove that Jesus was "a" Son of Mary. The text you brought up doesn't prove Mary is not ever-virgin. You're grasping desperately at straws!

Scott H.

Well Scott. You used the argument that the fact Jesus is called THE and not A proves the fact. If this is true. Then James is the only begotten son of Zebidee. Which according to scripture is not true. So why are you backing up on your own proof? It can not be both ways. It was your example. Not mine. I refuted it by showing your example was not valid. So your the one who has to live with it. Not me.

What Scripture is there that says Mary needs to have other children with
Joseph in order for God's will to be done? How does that save any Christian. It's the blood of Christ only that saves Christians, not the marital relations of Mary and Joseph.

In Erie Scott

YES, Your right. This mary's Job was done when she had Christ, and she was free to do whatever she wanted. Her having sex and children would not affect our salvation now would it? So where is the passage of scripture where said it would affect our salvation? This is your proof Scott. Your the one who has to prove it. Not me. Show me where Mary having sex after the birth of her firstborn son would have any affect on my or your eternal life. And show it with scripture.

you haven't failed. You have failed to show that the Church that Christ founded believes Mary was not ever-virgin? Do you have a writing from any Church Father that says Mary had relations with Joseph? Or are you going to say that the Church didn't exist until people started believing that the Virgin Mary had sex? Can you find any Scripture that says, "The children of Mary and Joseph?"


In Erie Scott

why would I have to prove that? All I have to do is prove by scripture that there is a doubt she was a virgin. I have done that. I have refuted your proof, so all you have left is what your church says. since when does any church trump scripture?

Scripture said Joseph did not know (have sex) with Mary until after the birth of her firstborn son. You have to prove That she did not. For she had ample ability between the birth of Christ and the death of Joseph to do this.

Unlike your churches proof that someone said they did not have a child until they died. Could she have a child aftyer death? No. so it is assumed she never had children. Could mary have had sex after Jesus, Yes. So you have to prove she did not. You can't

That's illogical. Christ is God manifest in the flesh. You're denying He had a

Mother makes Him God only, and not a man. Every human being has a

mother; Christ is human being; therefore Christ had a mother. Christ is not a

created being. He is uncreated.


He is begotten of the Father before all ages, and born of human virgin in

time. Do you deny Christ is One Person, in two natures, Divine and human,

True God, and true man?

In Erie Scott

Your wording contradicts itself.

Not true!

Scott


You can't blame people for thinking this is a pagan term. There is more

evidence which supports this theory than there is Jesus brothers actually

being his cousins.

No Scott. You can't get passed Matt 4: 21

Matthew 4:21

Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and

John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets. He

called them,

Your argument falls on its face unless matt 4: 21 is removed.

Again scripture trumps tradition!!

Not according to Scripture. See:

2 Thess. 2:15; 2 Thess. 3:6.


Wrong again. Matthew 4:21 doesn't say Joseph had marital relations with


Mary. You are being illogical in your search for "proof texts"!

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS You still can't get past Mark 6:3, which says

"the" Son of Mary, not "a" Son of Mary. Can't you take God at His word? As a

child would? Please produce now a long list of Church Fathers from between

70 AD and 370 AD who all believed Mary is not ever virgin. If you can't do

that, you can't show the Church that Christ founded ever believed Mary had

relations with Joseph. If it wasn't taught in the early Church, it is not true. If

the early Church didn't teach it and it is true, the early Church is in error, and

Christ is a liar, for the gates of hell would have prevailed against the Church

He founded, for the early Church would have failed to teach the truth that

Mary had physical relations with Joseph.

A belief can't be true if it doesn't agree with Scripture and apostolic tradition.

How do you know that the early Church believed that Mary had physical

relations with Joseph? Can you produce any evidence of that? If you can't,

your belief doesn't come from the Church that Christ founded. The correct

interpretation of the Bible can be found only in the same Church that Christ is

the founder of. God bless you. In Erie Scott Harrington

First off, I am sick of trying to fix your formatting, if you can't figure out how to format. don't expect many more responses. I do not have time.

Second. Mary gave birth to Jesus human body. His spirit was eternal. and had no birth. Mary is the mother of Jesus (human) Jesus (god) had no mother. If you cant comprehend this. There is no helping you understand why I can not believe the way you do.

 

[zone]

YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY THAT. But you do not go far enough in UNDERSTANDING the meaning of the blessedness of the Virgin Mary. She is to be blessed "BY ALL GENERATIONS", ALL GENERATIONS WILL CALL ME BLESSED". And thus they will venerate her and remember her always in their prayers to Christ Who alone is the Sole Mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ. And many intercessors, prayers, through Christ Jesus: Mary His Mother and His Saints. In Erie Scott

3106. makarizó
to bless​

Original Word: μακαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: makarizó
Phonetic Spelling: (mak-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I deem happy
Definition: I bless, pronounce blessed or happy.

Cognate: 3106 makarízō – pronounce blessed, as the result of enjoying the benefits (privileges) that (literally) extend from God. See 3107 (makarios).

 

[Scotth1960]

Are you a member of the body of Christ? Are you an induvidual? Thats what I thought.

Do you have the HS or do you not? Do you reject that fact the HS who is in you can help you understand scripture?

I really do not think you understand how much you are taking away from the power of God.



So which church is it? I talk about your church and my church to show you that no denomination on earth will be held responsible if they teach you wrong. YOUR the one who is responsible. If you mess up because you believed in the wrong church. Thats your fault. Not your churches!



It comes from someone trying to interpret scripture there own way without the help of God. Again do you have the HS or do you not? If you don't. Your not saved. If you do. You can study and learn scripture with Gods help. To deny this is to deny the power of God who is in you.




Well Scott. You used the argument that the fact Jesus is called THE and not A proves the fact. If this is true. Then James is the only begotten son of Zebidee. Which according to scripture is not true. So why are you backing up on your own proof? It can not be both ways. It was your example. Not mine. I refuted it by showing your example was not valid. So your the one who has to live with it. Not me.



YES, Your right. This mary's Job was done when she had Christ, and she was free to do whatever she wanted. Her having sex and children would not affect our salvation now would it? So where is the passage of scripture where said it would affect our salvation? This is your proof Scott. Your the one who has to prove it. Not me. Show me where Mary having sex after the birth of her firstborn son would have any affect on my or your eternal life. And show it with scripture.



why would I have to prove that? All I have to do is prove by scripture that there is a doubt she was a virgin. I have done that. I have refuted your proof, so all you have left is what your church says. since when does any church trump scripture?

Scripture said Joseph did not know (have sex) with Mary until after the birth of her firstborn son. You have to prove That she did not. For she had ample ability between the birth of Christ and the death of Joseph to do this.

Unlike your churches proof that someone said they did not have a child until they died. Could she have a child aftyer death? No. so it is assumed she never had children. Could mary have had sex after Jesus, Yes. So you have to prove she did not. You can't

It is you who has to prove that the Church Christ founded believed that Mary had sex. Can you? Please produce now a list of Church Fathers who believed that, and there should be plenty of them, if it's the truth! God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott Harrington



First off, I am sick of trying to fix your formatting, if you can't figure out how to format. don't expect many more responses. I do not have time.

Second. Mary gave birth to Jesus human body. His spirit was eternal. and had no birth. Mary is the mother of Jesus (human) Jesus (god) had no mother. If you cant comprehend this. There is no helping you understand why I can not believe the way you do.

If Mary is the mother of Jesus, but not the mother of God, then Jesus is not God. It's splitting Jesus Christ into 2 separate persons, one human, the other divine: which is the error or Nestorianism. It was against the Nestorians that the teaching "Mother of God" was made in the early Church. I don't understand how you can believe something not taught in the early Church. Do you believe the early Church erred, and only now the truth is being taught by you, in opposition to 2,000 years of Christian traditions?
Take care. God bless you.
In Erie Scott

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Mary is the mother of Jesus, but not the mother of God, then Jesus is not God. It's splitting Jesus Christ into 2 separate persons, one human, the other divine: which is the error or Nestorianism. It was against the Nestorians that the teaching "Mother of God" was made in the early Church. I don't understand how you can believe something not taught in the early Church. Do you believe the early Church erred, and only now the truth is being taught by you, in opposition to 2,000 years of Christian traditions?
Take care. God bless you.
In Erie Scott

1. God can not sin, nor can God be tempted to sin. Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are. Yet without sin.

2. God can not die. Jesus died.

3. God can not feel pain. Jesus felt severe pain.

4. God knows all. Jesus had to be taught.

Try studying scripture for once in your life scott and you will see what I am saying.

Mary gave birth to Christ's humanity. The part that was able to sin, but knew no sin. The part that was able to feel pain and suffering, Who needed to learn.

Jesus as God is eternal. No mother.

Not to mention you are rejecting the other aspects of scripture which showed your points to be in error. You do this alot. why is this?

 

[Scotth1960]

Are you a member of the body of Christ? Are you an induvidual? Thats what I thought.

Do you have the HS or do you not? Do you reject that fact the HS who is in you can help you understand scripture?

I really do not think you understand how much you are taking away from the power of God.



So which church is it? I talk about your church and my church to show you that no denomination on earth will be held responsible if they teach you wrong. YOUR the one who is responsible. If you mess up because you believed in the wrong church. Thats your fault. Not your churches!



It comes from someone trying to interpret scripture there own way without the help of God. Again do you have the HS or do you not? If you don't. Your not saved. If you do. You can study and learn scripture with Gods help. To deny this is to deny the power of God who is in you.




Well Scott. You used the argument that the fact Jesus is called THE and not A proves the fact. If this is true. Then James is the only begotten son of Zebidee. Which according to scripture is not true. So why are you backing up on your own proof? It can not be both ways. It was your example. Not mine. I refuted it by showing your example was not valid. So your the one who has to live with it. Not me.



YES, Your right. This mary's Job was done when she had Christ, and she was free to do whatever she wanted. Her having sex and children would not affect our salvation now would it? So where is the passage of scripture where said it would affect our salvation? This is your proof Scott. Your the one who has to prove it. Not me. Show me where Mary having sex after the birth of her firstborn son would have any affect on my or your eternal life. And show it with scripture.



why would I have to prove that? All I have to do is prove by scripture that there is a doubt she was a virgin. I have done that. I have refuted your proof, so all you have left is what your church says. since when does any church trump scripture?
Since when does your teaching based on what you want to find in Scripture trump what the Church Christ founded teaches? Can you prove your teaching comes from the Church Christ founded. Do you believe 1 Tim. 3:15, or is this Scripture false? Is your teaching "the pillar and ground of the truth", or does true teaching come from the Church? Can you show that your teaching was taught by bishops of the early Church?
Can you show your teaching comes from the Church Fathers?
Don't you believe that only early Church teaching can be the truth that should be believed today? Does truth change between what they believed 2000 years ago and what we believe now?
In Erie Scott Harrington




Scripture said Joseph did not know (have sex) with Mary until after the birth of her firstborn son. You have to prove That she did not. For she had ample ability between the birth of Christ and the death of Joseph to do this.

Unlike your churches proof that someone said they did not have a child until they died. Could she have a child aftyer death? No. so it is assumed she never had children. Could mary have had sex after Jesus, Yes. So you have to prove she did not. You can't




First off, I am sick of trying to fix your formatting, if you can't figure out how to format. don't expect many more responses. I do not have time.

Second. Mary gave birth to Jesus human body. His spirit was eternal. and had no birth. Mary is the mother of Jesus (human) Jesus (god) had no mother. If you cant comprehend this. There is no helping you understand why I can not believe the way you do.

 

[Scotth1960]

1. God can not sin, nor can God be tempted to sin. Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are. Yet without sin.

2. God can not die. Jesus died.

3. God can not feel pain. Jesus felt severe pain.

4. God knows all. Jesus had to be taught.

Try studying scripture for once in your life scott and you will see what I am saying.

Mary gave birth to Christ's humanity. The part that was able to sin, but knew no sin. The part that was able to feel pain and suffering, Who needed to learn.

Jesus as God is eternal. No mother.

Not to mention you are rejecting the other aspects of scripture which showed your points to be in error. You do this alot. why is this?
So, then, are you saying that Jesus Christ is 2 persons, one human, the other divine?
Do you believe in Nestorianism?
Take care.
God bless you!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1. God can not sin, nor can God be tempted to sin. Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are. Yet without sin.

2. God can not die. Jesus died.

3. God can not feel pain. Jesus felt severe pain.

4. God knows all. Jesus had to be taught.

Try studying scripture for once in your life scott and you will see what I am saying.

Mary gave birth to Christ's humanity. The part that was able to sin, but knew no sin. The part that was able to feel pain and suffering, Who needed to learn.

Jesus as God is eternal. No mother.

Not to mention you are rejecting the other aspects of scripture which showed your points to be in error. You do this alot. why is this?
So, then, are you saying that Jesus Christ is 2 persons, one human, the other divine?
Do you believe in Nestorianism?
Take care.
God bless you!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Never heard of it. I just believe in the facts.

Can God feel pain? Does God need to learn anything? Can God die. Can God be tempted to sin?

You answer these questions, you have answered your own question.

 

[Scotth1960]

Never heard of it. I just believe in the facts.

Can God feel pain? Does God need to learn anything? Can God die. Can God be tempted to sin?

You answer these questions, you have answered your own question.

So, are you saying Jesus is not God? He is true God and true man. If God becomes a man in Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ as a man can die. And because Christ is God the Son, He rises from the dead. St. Paul says Christ is God manifest in the flesh. 1 John shows that whoever denies Christ is God come in the flesh is antichrist. Take care.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, are you saying Jesus is not God? He is true God and true man. If God becomes a man in Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ as a man can die. And because Christ is God the Son, He rises from the dead. St. Paul says Christ is God manifest in the flesh. 1 John shows that whoever denies Christ is God come in the flesh is antichrist. Take care.

So you admit Jesus is both God and man. Thanks you just answered your question. And we believe the same.

so why do you keep asking me if I believe this. and then call it heresy

and why do you insist that Mary is the mother to Jesus diety? And not just his flesh?

 

[SantoSubito]

1. God can not sin, nor can God be tempted to sin. Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are. Yet without sin.

2. God can not die. Jesus died.

3. God can not feel pain. Jesus felt severe pain.

4. God knows all. Jesus had to be taught.

Try studying scripture for once in your life scott and you will see what I am saying.

Mary gave birth to Christ's humanity. The part that was able to sin, but knew no sin. The part that was able to feel pain and suffering, Who needed to learn.

Jesus as God is eternal. No mother.

Not to mention you are rejecting the other aspects of scripture which showed your points to be in error. You do this alot. why is this?

So do you believe that from the moment of his conception Jesus was both fully God and fully man? Or do you believe that Christ's divinity came to him at a later date? Because your walking a fine line between orthodoxy and Nestorianism with some of your comments.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

who is fatima ba the way...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So do you believe that from the moment of his conception Jesus was both fully God and fully man? Or do you believe that Christ's divinity came to him at a later date? Because your walking a fine line between orthodoxy and Nestorianism with some of your comments.

I believe the facts. Jesus set aside his diety and became man/. His spirit entered the body bore by mary. But his spirit was limited.

again I ask. Can God die.
Can God feel pain
Can God sin
Can God be tempted etc etc

Jesus felt all these things. did he not?

who cares what orthodoxy or Nestorianism or baptists or Lutherans or whoever believes. What we need to figure out is what scripture says about the facts.

 

[SantoSubito]

I believe the facts. Jesus set aside his diety and became man/. His spirit entered the body bore by mary. But his spirit was limited.

again I ask. Can God die.
Can God feel pain
Can God sin
Can God be tempted etc etc

Jesus felt all these things. did he not?

who cares what orthodoxy or Nestorianism or baptists or Lutherans or whoever believes. What we need to figure out is what scripture says about the facts.

No God can not do any of those things, because God is spirit. But God becoming man and thus being able to experience such things is kinda one of the big points of the incarnation. Still you didn't answer my question, do you believe that from the moment of his conception Jesus was both fully God and fully man? Or do you believe that Christ's divinity came to him at a later date?

 

[Scotth1960]

So you admit Jesus is both God and man. Thanks you just answered your question. And we believe the same.

so why do you keep asking me if I believe this. and then call it heresy

and why do you insist that Mary is the mother to Jesus diety? And not just his flesh?

I didn't say Mary is the cause of Jesus' deity. But if Jesus is the Son of Mary, and Jesus is God, then Mary must be the Mother of God, because you can't separate His humanity from His Deity. That would make two persons: Nestorianism! The term "Mother of God" protects Christ's Deity. God was manifest in the flesh, and as a man God was born. So God was united to man in Christ by Christ Incarnate of the Virgin Mary.

 

[rainacorn]

I don't know why this is so hard. Just remove the spaces from the following.

starts a quote-> [ q u o t e ]

here is what you are quoting

[ / q u o t e ] <- ends a quote

You need the start and the end for the quote to work properly.

Start- Open bracket. Quote. Close bracket.
text text text text text
End- Open bracket. BACKSLASH Quote. Close bracket.

If that doesn't work for you, highlight the text you want to quote and click on the little 'quote' icon in the toolbar. It's right before the little pound sign. That's #, by the way.

 

[Scotth1960]

Never heard of it. I just believe in the facts.

Can God feel pain? Does God need to learn anything? Can God die. Can God be tempted to sin?

You answer these questions, you have answered your own question.

What facts do you believe? Are you confusing your own private interpretations (traditions) with the facts of Scripture? Yes. The facts are, no Church Father taught what you teach. You get your opinion from private study of the Scriptures, outside of the context of Church history. It doesn't even come from the Protestant Reformation, which, together with Roman Catholicism in 1054, introduced private traditions in place of Apostolic Tradition.
Apostolic Tradition is the Truth. We know what Christ said through His Apostles (cf. John 15:26), etc. We know from Christ's Apostolic Church that Mary is ever-virgin.
Your opinion does not come from any Apostle of Christ. It does not come from the Bible, but from your own private personal thinking! Sorry to say, but it's the truth. And my conscience is clear on this matter. I'm still a sinner. But I listen to the Church. I believe the Church is the pillar of truth that tells us what the Bible means (1 Tim. 3:15, 2 Thess. 2:15).
God bless you. Amen.

 

[Tobby17]

Why d long talks?

Mary is just like any other person, just that she gave birth to Jesus.. Simple!

She'll neva appear to anyone..

Stupid Story!

 

[Scotth1960]

Why d long talks?

Mary is just like any other person, just that she gave birth to Jesus.. Simple!

She'll neva appear to anyone..

Stupid Story!

Christians call all look forward to seeing Jesus Christ in Heaven. Not just Jesus only. Jesus and His Saints, the Virgin Mary, John the Baptist, St. Andrew, St. Peter, St. John, St. James, St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Luke, St. Thomas, St. Barnabas, St. Bartholomew, St. Photios, St. John Chrysostom, St. Mark of Ephesus, St. John Damascene, St. Basil, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Gregory Nazianzen, and so on. This will happen to us in God's mercy. God's mercy alone will save us. We can't save ourselves. No person on earth is worthy or can merit the gift of going to heaven. We have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. May God have mercy on us in Christ Jesus. Amen.
PS. No! Not at all! Mary is not just like any other person. She's the holy ever-virgin Mother of God.