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[quote=eternally-gratefull;483111]1. She is not a virgin, He husband "knew here" This is a sexual term. If Joseph did not "know mary" then the scripture lied.
Dear eternallygratefull, see: Antidicomariante en-wikipedia.org/wiki/antidicomarianite
The KJV and other Protestant translations of Matthew 1:25 are in error.
The true and correct translation of Matthew 1:25 is the ONT: page 2.
Cf. Matthew 1:24-25 ONT: "And Joseph, having been awakened from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took to him his wife, and was not knowing her until she brought forth her Son, the firstborn; and he called His name Jesus."
Note on Matt. 1:25 ONT, page 76: "He was not knowing her until" (ouk eginosken auten heos). Note the imperfect tense, continuous or linear action, "he was not knowing" or "he kept on not knowing."
For the correct meaning of "until" in Matthew 1:25, See "Virgin Until" in "Facing Up to Mary", chapter 8, cf. pp. 110-111; in Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. (1992). Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith. Revised and expanded edition. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
God bless you.
For more information on the Virgin Mary, see "The Protoevangelium of James". See GOOGLE for more information, and I believe it's available in English translation online.
This is tradition that helps us understand the correct meaning of the Scriptures. Not everything extra-biblical is faulty, and we can get insights even more from the Church Fathers, none of whom believed Mary had physical relations with St. Joseph.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington July 4, 2011 AD
2. The queen of heaven or mother of God is found in pagan writting which pre-date the NT and even Christ. It is not a protestant reproduction of anything. It is known the romans at the aime of Augustone where deeply engrained and worshiping these Gods.
3. Mary is blessed. She was seen as a fornicator. and gave birth to a bastard Child because it is impossible to get pregnant without having sex. People did not believe she was supernaturally impregnated. and also because she is a sinner, And the fact that a sinner could give birth to our savior. how much more blessed can you be? You can't be, Even abraham did not get this blessing. She is not only blessed among all woman as scripture says. she is prety much blessed more than all men if we really look at it.
4. No one should be venerated or worshiped. Look at daniel and revelation when both men attempted to fall on their knees. The angel said. No no. Not me, Only God gets that honor. I am created just like you. If an angel of God refuses this honor. I doubt mary would agree with this honor either. Especially since she was a sinner, and the angel was never a sinner.
Mary was neither sinless. nor did she overcome sin. And yes she had to be saved by her son. And no she was not the first person saved. When christ said it is finished. At that point all mankind before this time was saved at the same time. And our salvation was completed.
Dear eternallygratefull, see: Antidicomariante en-wikipedia.org/wiki/antidicomarianite
The KJV and other Protestant translations of Matthew 1:25 are in error.
The true and correct translation of Matthew 1:25 is the ONT: page 2.
Cf. Matthew 1:24-25 ONT: "And Joseph, having been awakened from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took to him his wife, and was not knowing her until she brought forth her Son, the firstborn; and he called His name Jesus."
Note on Matt. 1:25 ONT, page 76: "He was not knowing her until" (ouk eginosken auten heos). Note the imperfect tense, continuous or linear action, "he was not knowing" or "he kept on not knowing."
For the correct meaning of "until" in Matthew 1:25, See "Virgin Until" in "Facing Up to Mary", chapter 8, cf. pp. 110-111; in Fr. Peter E. Gillquist. (1992). Becoming Orthodox: A Journey to the Ancient Christian Faith. Revised and expanded edition. Ben Lomond, CA: Conciliar Press.
God bless you.
For more information on the Virgin Mary, see "The Protoevangelium of James". See GOOGLE for more information, and I believe it's available in English translation online.
This is tradition that helps us understand the correct meaning of the Scriptures. Not everything extra-biblical is faulty, and we can get insights even more from the Church Fathers, none of whom believed Mary had physical relations with St. Joseph.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington July 4, 2011 AD
2. The queen of heaven or mother of God is found in pagan writting which pre-date the NT and even Christ. It is not a protestant reproduction of anything. It is known the romans at the aime of Augustone where deeply engrained and worshiping these Gods.
3. Mary is blessed. She was seen as a fornicator. and gave birth to a bastard Child because it is impossible to get pregnant without having sex. People did not believe she was supernaturally impregnated. and also because she is a sinner, And the fact that a sinner could give birth to our savior. how much more blessed can you be? You can't be, Even abraham did not get this blessing. She is not only blessed among all woman as scripture says. she is prety much blessed more than all men if we really look at it.
4. No one should be venerated or worshiped. Look at daniel and revelation when both men attempted to fall on their knees. The angel said. No no. Not me, Only God gets that honor. I am created just like you. If an angel of God refuses this honor. I doubt mary would agree with this honor either. Especially since she was a sinner, and the angel was never a sinner.
Mary was neither sinless. nor did she overcome sin. And yes she had to be saved by her son. And no she was not the first person saved. When christ said it is finished. At that point all mankind before this time was saved at the same time. And our salvation was completed.