fruit and works.

[Stephen63]

There are several in the BDF that believe in Radical Grace, otherwise known as Hyp******e.

Not a one will admit they do, & none of them will answer my question.

Show me a group that won't admit their religious beliefs under its original name, & I will show you a CULT.

Secrecy & cover-up aren't used by open & honest christians.

Hiding instead of openly backing your beliefs shows doubt & dishonestly.

Please answer my question accurately with scripture.

 

[wsblind]

Actually, since growing in Christ covers bringing forth fruit, I'm on topic.

As far as taking it somewhere else, I'll do as I please.

Now, if you don't like that, you can leave. Nobody's twisting your arm to stay.

I'm not answering anybody's questions if I don't want to..... especially those steering off topic.

If you don't like that build a bridge & get over it.

Walking in the Spirit.

Being filled with the Spirit.

Do not quench the Spirit.

Do not grieve the Spirit.

Study,study,study the mind of Christ and apply it........is not scriptural and is off topic? How?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, since growing in Christ covers bringing forth fruit, I'm on topic.

As far as taking it somewhere else, I'll do as I please.

Now, if you don't like that, you can leave. Nobody's twisting your arm to stay.

I'm not answering anybody's questions if I don't want to..... especially those steering off topic.

If you don't like that build a bridge & get over it.

Yeah, You just proved a fact.

Your questions matter, No one else's does. No arrogance there..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are several in the BDF that believe in Radical Grace, otherwise known as Hyp******e.

Not a one will admit they do, & none of them will answer my question.

Show me a group that won't admit their religious beliefs under its original name, & I will show you a CULT.

Secrecy & cover-up aren't used by open & honest christians.

Hiding instead of openly backing your beliefs shows doubt & dishonestly.

Please answer my question accurately with scripture.

Since after conversion:

• no more conviction - of sin leading to repentance, or of righteousness, the "positive" side of conviction, so never again will the christian feel bad for the sin they're committing, or know if they are sinning, or feel the urge to step up in maturity

• no more repentance of sin.

• All future sin forgiven automatically, so no conviction or repentance is necessary,

Go ahead. Prove your point, Or prove your lies..

WHo in the room believes in the parts I highlighted? Name 1 person. And show th epost where they have stated those things are true.

Time to back your words with proof. OR SHUT UP!!

As for repent. We have different views on what the term means, So we will never agree.. so no use hashing it out any more.

 

[PeterJens]

NO ONE HERE BELIEVES THE POINTS YOU ARE MAKING.

This is such a catch all statement, which actually is just an aggressive put down,
saying you are alone and irrelevant. For such a big statement if one was honest
the next thing is to give an example. But no example so it is a lie.

I am amazed at how such aggression and dishonesty can be taken by the speak
as something a christian should do. It is the same as going up to someone in the
street and saying, "You looking at me, you want trouble, go away"

Jesus works the other way, waiting for people to ask and search, to enquire and
discover, knowing the discovery is as much a part of the journey as the answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Walking in the Spirit.

Being filled with the Spirit.

Do not quench the Spirit.

Do not grieve the Spirit.

Study,study,study the mind of Christ and apply it........is not scriptural and is off topic? How?

how is this off topic? You are a person who he claimed believed in this hyper stuff. SO he shoudl be able to show you were you are wrong..

It just once again, Shows his true nature.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is such a catch all statement, which actually is just an aggressive put down,
saying you are alone and irrelevant. For such a big statement if one was honest
the next thing is to give an example. But no example so it is a lie.

how can I give an example if NO ONE I have seen teaches the things he is accusing of?

You are getting out of touch peter. You are so out to prove me wrong, You say things which make utterly no sense. STEPHEN is the one required to PROVE HIS POINTS< HE IS THE ONE MAKING THE ACCUSATIONS NOT ME!!

I am amazed at how such aggression and dishonesty can be taken by the speak
as something a christian should do. It is the same as going up to someone in the
street and saying, "You looking at me, you want trouble, go away"

Yet stephens aggressive approach of condemning people and saying they believe something they never stated is ok?

Oh wait, you do the same stuff.. So you just prove my points.. You have to lie, Slander defend blameshift and everything, Because you LACK FAITH IN GOD>

Jesus works the other way, waiting for people to ask and search, to enquire and
discover, knowing the discovery is as much a part of the journey as the answer.

blah blah blah. whatever dude, Jesus was harsh to the accusers who falsely accused..

 

[Stephen63]

Yeah, You just proved a fact.

Your questions matter, No one else's does. No arrogance there..

You can talk about anything else to anybody else. That's your privilege.

It's also mine.

Anything else is discrimination.

So, no, you're wrong.

 

[PeterJens]

I have to say progress.

1. Conviction of sin
2. Repentance not done
3. Future sin forgiven

Now point 3 about future sin forgiven, I know at least two have argued at length
in favour of this, over years.

Point 2 - repentance in the biblical, sorry for sin, convicting not to sin but walk
righteously, showing sorrow, confession and faith in Christ, again 1 member has
continually shown their own version of this position.

Point 1 - conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit again has continually been denied as
a ministry of the Holy Spirit, only convicting the world about Jesus and their need
to believe in Him.

So all these three points has been argued at length, so repeating them is not a
bad thing or an inaccurate statement of belief.

On this particular thread, there probably would not be specific posts that refer
to this but as a background it is not a bad reminder of people theology.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You can talk about anything else to anybody else. That's your privilege.

It's also mine.

Anything else is discrimination.

So, no, you're wrong.

There is a difference, I answer every question asked..

You have already been told by myself, and quite a few others, No one believes inn the points you made, Yet you keep insisting they do. Well it is time to prove it. SHow posts where people made the actual words you said they believe,,

I am sure like everyone else. We will keep waiting, Because we all again, Know you have no proof.



You have a problem answering questions,,

Plus you know answering him will prove you wrong, in fact EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT.. (except maybe Peter) so your just hurting yourself.

 

[PeterJens]

I am amazed at this attempt to deny discussion we have had together over time.

It is simply lying to deny them, and act as if nothing has happened.

But maybe the sensitivity and desire to silence the past because there is shame
involved, or maybe someone has serious memory problems?

Now I am not a fan of Stephens tirades, but if they are factually correct, they
are little different from what is metred out to me, which I just accept as part of
this environment and peoples odd way of expressing themselves.

We all have our traits, after all I cope with many an attack and sometimes even
distract from abuse of another member,

 

[valiant]

There are several in the BDF that believe in Radical Grace, otherwise known as Hyp******e.

Well if by radical grace you mean that salvation comes through the grace of God alone without any initial action on our part, then I believe in radical grace. '

'He saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace'.

'He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we might be holy and without blame before Him in love, having foreordained us to the adoption as sons, to the praise of the glory of His grace wherein He has made us engraced in the Beloved.

Not a one will admit they do, & none of them will answer my question.

What is your question?

Show me a group that won't admit their religious beliefs under its original name, & I will show you a CULT.

It is not the original name. It is a relatively new name that means different things to different people.

Secrecy & cover-up aren't used by open & honest christians

.

who seeks to cover up.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to say progress.

1. Conviction of sin
2. Repentance not done
3. Future sin forgiven

This is not adequate, He said future conviction is no longer necessary.. That changes the definition of the point made. (point 3)

 

[Stephen63]

Go ahead. Prove your point, Or prove your lies..

WHo in the room believes in the parts I highlighted? Name 1 person. And show th epost where they have stated those things are true.

Time to back your words with proof. OR SHUT UP!!

As for repent. We have different views on what the term means, So we will never agree.. so no use hashing it out any more.

You're OSAS, so why do you care?

Why have you made yourself the Hyp******er's champion?

You fight & argue more abouTHyp******e than you do OSAS, or any other topic.

I never mention any names, or called names at the followers of this doctrine.

I didn't single anyone out.

So, since this doesn't pertain at all to you, why are you making it your business to attack me?

 

[PeterJens]

There is a difference, I answer every question asked..

I do not see you are the shinning example of not haranging people and not
going off subject

What is also amusing is faking offence. You are happy to give as much as you deem
necessary when you have one of your benders - loosing it, but you are getting better
now, thanks be to the Lord, Amen.

 

[PeterJens]

This is not adequate, He said future conviction is no longer necessary.. That changes the definition of the point made. (point 3)

EG - you are getting picky. You have to have a bit of a sense of humour.

There is a view that if you cannot laugh at yourself you go mad.

There are guys in my church who have much to offer but do go off a bit, so you
have to reign it in and accept them as they are.

Where is our grace, love and patience for one another if we cannot do this for
the brothers and sisters in Christ?

 

[PeterJens]

OSAS - One Stuck Always Stuck - the spiritual adhesive glue that never lets go - trouble is no
one is quite sure what they have go stuck to because the writing on the label said

Holy, pure and righteous

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're OSAS, so why do you care?

Why have you made yourself the Hyp******er's champion?

You fight & argue more abouTHyp******e than you do OSAS, or any other topic.

I never mention any names, or called names at the followers of this doctrine.

I didn't single anyone out.

So, since this doesn't pertain at all to you, why are you making it your business to attack me?

Keep it up dude, Attacking me does not help

Prove your points by posting specific induviduals who say what you claim they say.

Your the one who has spend days now demanding people answer your question. Now back them up..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - you are getting picky. You have to have a bit of a sense of humour.

There is a view that if you cannot laugh at yourself you go mad.

There are guys in my church who have much to offer but do go off a bit, so you
have to reign it in and accept them as they are.

Where is our grace, love and patience for one another if we cannot do this for
the brothers and sisters in Christ?

lol.. Peter. Here is what he said.

All future sin forgiven automatically, so no conviction or repentance is necessary,

I am not getting picky, I am just not cutting his question apart like you did..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OSAS - One Stuck Always Stuck - the spiritual adhesive glue that never lets go - trouble is no
one is quite sure what they have go stuck to because the writing on the label said

Holy, pure and righteous

who is arguing Osas? Seems like the only ones arguing osas is you and stephen.