FUTURE KINGDOM

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For a confederation of Noachides

SHMULEY BOTEACH, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 11, 2005

...And yet, there is something that I have learned from the many debates that I have conducted with leading Christian thinkers around the world. In the debates, there is always a group of people who feel uncomfortable with what they see as Christianity's compromises and accommodations with paganism. The idea of a man as God does not appeal to them. They are likewise put off by the pagan overtones of God conceiving a child with a woman, and they are positively cold to the Christian idea of original sin and how we are all born guilty before being innocent. Finally, they believe in personal accountability, so that the idea of a redeemer shedding his blood in order to purge them of sin does not accord with their personal values.

It is to those people whom I believe we should be offering Judaism as a pure monotheistic alternative and actively promote the Torah to them as the word of God that may light their nascent spiritual fire. Should they not wish to become fully Jewish, because they are equally unexcited by Judaism's exacting demands of ritual observance, we should be creating a Jewish confederation of Noachides, as the Bible calls them, men and women who identify with Jewish spirituality and Jewish values but without the ritual observances.

In effect, these people would be adopting the Torah's norms without converting to Judaism. Already, there are whole Christian congregations that have removed the cross and steeple and transformed themselves into Noachide communities who reject the deification of Jesus, observe the Sabbath on Saturday rather than Sunday, study the Torah for its general prescriptions of a spiritual life, but do not embrace all the rituals of biblical law.

Indeed, in my travels I have encountered many such former Christians who have created communities where they have Friday night Shabbat meals, observe all the Jewish festivals, study the Torah in Hebrew, and have a staunch love of Israel. They call themselves either Noachides, or non-Jewish Jews....

 

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Masonicpaedia

3. The historical evidence available regarding the origin of the Degree of Royal Ark Mariners is meager and hence, the precise origin of the degree is not known with certainty. Most of the theories in this regard appear to be conjectures and surmises. The legend of Noah, his sons, the Ark and the Deluge were enacted in the Mystery Plays of the seventeenth century, which was a major entertainment with a religious tinge. The catechisms in many of the early Masonic rituals contained references to the legend of Noah. There was a degree known as the Degree of Noachites or Prussian Knights in the 1750s, whose rituals referred to Noah, but was not in anyway connected with Royal Ark Masonry. Masonic historians have opined that unlike the Craft, this degree was not worked from time immemorial, but that, the degree is 2 or 3 centuries old. [THIS IS A LIE]

 

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Sanhedrin.org

Courts of Justice

It is important to form courts of justice so that persons can be called upon to uphold the mitzvot, the religious laws and to be able to judge between people. Sages were divided as to whether the Noahides should be judged according to the Torah concerning financial matters or whether they should be judged according to common sense. It is worthwhile that such courts of justice should give sentences according to the same law for men and for women. The judges should be men since a woman should strive not to be involved in public matters. Every person should go to a court for justice and not try to mete out justice himself. Courts of justice are allowed to enforce regulations for the benefit of the society and to improve ethics and morality. It is the obligation of the Noahide to execute justice to the fullest degree and not to be merciful to criminals.

People [NOAHIDES] have the obligation to obey the law and see that the legislative and judicial and personnel and systems obey the law.

 

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NOAHIDE LAW #7 Establish Legal Courts

Subset : +176) To appoint judges

Application to gentiles: Required

Mandated punishment for violation: From Heaven, at minimum

Brief description: To establish theocratic courts and appoint judges in every city and district.

The job of the judges is not only to enforce the entire body of Theocratic Law, but also to teach the people their responsibilities under that law, and even to enact new rules when needed to counteract various types of evil. This commandment also includes the obligation to institute police who patrol the streets and inspect people’s activities, enforcing the law and arresting violators.

A nation that does not establish law and order, or whose courts pervert justice or do not follow the principles of the Noahide Laws for gentiles, ultimately receives Divine punishment in the form of war — and may even be liable to death penalty en masse, according to at least one opinion of the Jewish sages.

Category: Justice Commandments
Biblical source(s) (Rambam): Deut. 16:18; Num. 11:16
Biblical source (Sefer HaChinuch): Deut. 16:18
Number in Sefer HaChinuch: 491

Sources explaining relevance to gentiles:

Ramban, Bereishis 34:13
Gentiles are only executed for violating negative mitzvos, not for failing to appoint judges, though they are certainly obligated to do so.

Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Melachim 9:14
Gentiles are liable to death penalty for failing to appoint judges, and for failing to judge cases; example is given of the slaughter of Shechem by Levi and Shimon.

http://hasidicuniversity.org/index.php?page=hu_theocracy/th07_justice.htm

 

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What sort of leader will Mashiach be?

Mashiach will be a man who possesses extraordinary qualities. He will be proficient in both the written and oral Torah traditions.

He will incessantly campaign for Torah observance among Jews and observance of the Seven Universal Noahide Laws by non-Jews.

He will be scrupulously observant and encourage the highest standards from others. He will defend religious principles and repair breaches in their observance. Above all, Mashiach will be heralded as a true Jewish King, a person who leads the way in the service of G–d, totally humble yet enormously inspiring.

Chabad.org

 

[Devolution]

None of this bears any relation to the bibles declaration of the millennium. The OT supports the NT with a millennium.

Babylon the Great is the world empire in Gods eyes. It is in Rev. And all the worlds merchants survive off of her. And the whore supplies all that men desire, sitting upon the beast. Israel is not the center of world trade, it is the 24th placed. It doesn't even sell half the goods mentioned in revelation that the whore sells. So Israel can NOT be the whore NOR Babylon the Great. Israel relies heavily on IMPORTS..The whole world SYSTEM of trade is what the whore presides over, and that trade belongs to the world of which ALL men partake...Babylon the Great.

The whore was taken and set up in Babylon of old. THAT system still carries on. That system was the beginning of the Whores influence on a world scale, slowly spreading. Babylon of old was the beginning, the blueprint. The whore was already in the world before that. She was merely TAKEN and set up in Babylon. And the whore sat on TOP of every empire since Babylon, Israel did NOT...Israel was UNDER these empires...subservient to them and joining them.

The whore is the MERCHANT SYSTEM. And what do we see happening to the merchant system right now....it is being DISMANTLED....her FLESH is being EATEN..the 10 kings are already at work behind the scenes, they are not revealing themselves yet because they have not yet been granted their power, not yet united as one, but still at work nevertheless, for they have the same goal....a centralized controlled world economy. And it is happening everywhere. We can SEE it today for ourselves.

These things you are showing mean nothing in relation to what we say about the millennium. I am through acknowledging you from here on. You can not understand us at all, and constantly twist what we say. This post means nothing.

 

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None of this bears any relation to the bibles declaration of the millennium. The OT supports the NT with a millennium.

Babylon the Great is the world empire in Gods eyes. It is in Rev. And all the worlds merchants survive off of her. And the whore supplies all that men desire, sitting upon the beast. Israel is not the center of world trade, it is the 24th placed. It doesn't even sell half the goods mentioned in revelation that the whore sells. So Israel can NOT be the whore NOR Babylon the Great. Israel relies heavily on IMPORTS..The whole world SYSTEM of trade is what the whore presides over, and that trade belongs to the world of which ALL men partake...Babylon the Great.

The whore was taken and set up in Babylon of old. THAT system still carries on. That system was the beginning of the Whores influence on a world scale, slowly spreading. Babylon of old was the beginning, the blueprint. The whore was already in the world before that. She was merely TAKEN and set up in Babylon. And the whore sat on TOP of every empire since Babylon, Israel did NOT...Israel was UNDER these empires...subservient to them and joining them.

The whore is the MERCHANT SYSTEM. And what do we see happening to the merchant system right now....it is being DISMANTLED....her FLESH is being EATEN..the 10 kings are already at work behind the scenes, they are not revealing themselves yet because they have not yet been granted their power, not yet united as one, but still at work nevertheless, for they have the same goal....a centralized controlled world economy. And it is happening everywhere. We can SEE it today for ourselves.

These things you are showing mean nothing in relation to what we say about the millennium. I am through acknowledging you from here on. You can not understand us at all, and constantly twist what we say. This post means nothing.

ROTFLMHO!


None of this bears any relation to the bibles declaration of the millennium


of course not. our "millennium is NOW, and the saints are reigning with Jesus in Heaven while we are working in the field.
the content of this thread is the Talmudic Kingdom...that is being set-up in Jerusalem as we speak. and all you dispensationalists have been helping.


The OT supports the NT with a millennium. >> the "millennium" (Kingdom) is NOW.


don't give up quite yet devo.

go to THE new thread called 70 WEEKS.

then the one called Cyrus SCOFIELD.

then the one called The Real Israel

i'll be using a single, easy to read document for all who care to find out how all this happened and dispense with it. do all the follow-up you want : it all says the same thing.

ALL THE INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS IN ALL THREE AREAS IS COMAPRING SCOFIELD'S CORRUPTION TO THE BIBLICAL TRUTH.

those tired old teachings ought to be tossed in the trash now, devo. they've been damaging the church long enough....interesting who scofield's compadres were.

"The whore was taken and set up in Babylon of old. THAT system still carries on. That system was the beginning of the Whores influence on a world scale, slowly spreading. Babylon of old was the beginning, the blueprint. The whore was already in the world before that. She was merely TAKEN and set up in Babylon. And the whore sat on TOP of every empire since Babylon, Israel did NOT...Israel was UNDER these empires...subservient to them and joining them."

...Daniel's mind was troubled and his soul shaken by what he read in the scrolls of Jeremiah the prophet. Jeremiah prophesied a return from their 70-year captivity in Babylon. That was good, but there were other terrible prophecies that he did not understand. God said that he would visit them to perform his good word toward them in causing them to return from all nations where he had driven them and give them "an expected end."...

But Jeremiah saw two baskets of figs, some very good and some so bad that they could not be eaten. These represented people. God would give the good figs a heart to know him (Jer 24:7), and they would be his people and he would be their God for they would return to him with all their heart.

But the bad figs would be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse in all the places where he would send them. Jeremiah took a bad vessel out and broke it before the elders of the people so it was beyond repair and told them that God would do just that to this people and city. (Jer 24:8.)


...see you at 70 weeks, scofield, & the real israel (if you have the courage to reconsider your corrupt teachings.)

 

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can you say....CRAZY PEOPLE? just over the top! but, that's the Talmud.



"Okay so there is no such thing as lawyers for Noachides. But Noahide law is very cut and dry. If someone transgresses, then they are punished with death by beheading. Also circumstantial evidence is admissible in a Noahide court of law."



Noahide Laws – Establishing Courts of Law

Command to Establish A Just and Fair Courts System

The next Noahide law that we will analyze, is the commandment of setting up a courts system to enforce the 7 Universal Laws. Bnei Noachs (children of Noah) are commanded to establish courts to carry out justice and maintain human righteousness and morality. Having a corrupt courts system would be counter productive to following the Noahide Laws because it drives Hashem’s blessings from the world. When the world is corrupt, Hashem withdraws his heavenly presence. This is one of the many reasons that in today’s world we cannot see Hashem’s divine assistance so clearly.

Punishment for Transgressing This Commandment

Anyone who fails to establish a fair courts system, that is, someone who lives in a community or city where there are no courts, and who does not have a means to correct and discipline wrong doers, is punishable by death. A community or city that establish laws that are contradictory to the 7 Noahide Laws is also punishable by death.

Noahide Lawyers?

Okay so there is no such thing as lawyers for Noachides. But Noahide law is very cut and dry. If someone transgresses, then they are punished with death by beheading. Also circumstantial evidence is admissible in a Noahide court of law.

What Noahides Should Know


Here is a quick break down of the Noahide law system:

• Every individual must accept the legal decision given to him.
• If is forbidden for individuals to render judgments by themselves, (vigilante justice) without seeking the advice of the courts.
• No warning is necessary to the transgressor. The children of Noach are responsible to have complete and full knowledge of the 7 Noahide Laws. (Good thing you’re reading this)
• It is forbidden for the courts to have mercy on a murderer.
• In financial litigation, the court may not have mercy on a poor person, thinking the rich plaintiff has an obligation to support the poor.
• It is forbidden to pay prejudicial respect to a great person. The judge cannot show favoritism towards any party.
• A judge is not allowed to delay judgment and he must judge righteously.
• A judge must not be haughty. Judges have a huge responsibility and should take the proper time to carefully examine the case, the witnesses, the evidence, etc. A judge who is quick to make a decision is considered stupid, wicked, and egotistical.
• Cases concerning a large sum of money and a small sum of money must be given equal consideration
• Judges are forbidden to take bribes
• It is forbidden to offer a bribe to a judge

Compromises (Settling Outside of Court)

It is considered meritorious to settle disputes outside of court. Arbitration and mediation or any other means of finding an mutual settlement or compromise, thereby avoiding a court trial is desirable and it is a commandment to seek compromise.

Attributes for Being a Judge


Every judge should have the following 7 traits:

• Wisdom
• Humility
• Fear of Heaven
• Fear of Sin
• Contempt for Money
• Love of Truth
• Loved by His Fellow Man

Who Cannot be Used For a Witness

There are ten people who are not allowed to testify in Noahide courts.

• Women
• Slaves
• People who would benefit from a decision in the case
• Husbands of women involved in the trial
• Small children
• Fools and the insane
• The deaf and the mute
• The blind
• Known transgressors
• People who care not how they behave in public

There is much more details that need to be explained to fully understand this law. These will be discussed in future articles. Please feel free to send us questions and comments on establishing a Noahide courts system.



Posted in Noahide Laws | Tags: courts system, Noahide court, Seven Laws of Noah

http://thenoahidelaws.com/archives/noahide-laws-establishing-courts-of-law

 

[journey41]

can you say....CRAZY PEOPLE? just over the top! but, that's the Talmud.



"Okay so there is no such thing as lawyers for Noachides. But Noahide law is very cut and dry. If someone transgresses, then they are punished with death by beheading. Also circumstantial evidence is admissible in a Noahide court of law."



Noahide Laws – Establishing Courts of Law

Command to Establish A Just and Fair Courts System

The next Noahide law that we will analyze, is the commandment of setting up a courts system to enforce the 7 Universal Laws. Bnei Noachs (children of Noah) are commanded to establish courts to carry out justice and maintain human righteousness and morality. Having a corrupt courts system would be counter productive to following the Noahide Laws because it drives Hashem’s blessings from the world. When the world is corrupt, Hashem withdraws his heavenly presence. This is one of the many reasons that in today’s world we cannot see Hashem’s divine assistance so clearly.

Punishment for Transgressing This Commandment

Anyone who fails to establish a fair courts system, that is, someone who lives in a community or city where there are no courts, and who does not have a means to correct and discipline wrong doers, is punishable by death. A community or city that establish laws that are contradictory to the 7 Noahide Laws is also punishable by death.

Noahide Lawyers?

Okay so there is no such thing as lawyers for Noachides. But Noahide law is very cut and dry. If someone transgresses, then they are punished with death by beheading. Also circumstantial evidence is admissible in a Noahide court of law.

What Noahides Should Know



Here is a quick break down of the Noahide law system:

• Every individual must accept the legal decision given to him.
• If is forbidden for individuals to render judgments by themselves, (vigilante justice) without seeking the advice of the courts.
• No warning is necessary to the transgressor. The children of Noach are responsible to have complete and full knowledge of the 7 Noahide Laws. (Good thing you’re reading this)
• It is forbidden for the courts to have mercy on a murderer.
• In financial litigation, the court may not have mercy on a poor person, thinking the rich plaintiff has an obligation to support the poor.
• It is forbidden to pay prejudicial respect to a great person. The judge cannot show favoritism towards any party.
• A judge is not allowed to delay judgment and he must judge righteously.
• A judge must not be haughty. Judges have a huge responsibility and should take the proper time to carefully examine the case, the witnesses, the evidence, etc. A judge who is quick to make a decision is considered stupid, wicked, and egotistical.
• Cases concerning a large sum of money and a small sum of money must be given equal consideration
• Judges are forbidden to take bribes
• It is forbidden to offer a bribe to a judge

Compromises (Settling Outside of Court)

It is considered meritorious to settle disputes outside of court. Arbitration and mediation or any other means of finding an mutual settlement or compromise, thereby avoiding a court trial is desirable and it is a commandment to seek compromise.

Attributes for Being a Judge



Every judge should have the following 7 traits:

• Wisdom
• Humility
• Fear of Heaven
• Fear of Sin
• Contempt for Money
• Love of Truth
• Loved by His Fellow Man

Who Cannot be Used For a Witness


There are ten people who are not allowed to testify in Noahide courts.

• Women
• Slaves
• People who would benefit from a decision in the case
• Husbands of women involved in the trial
• Small children
• Fools and the insane
• The deaf and the mute
• The blind
• Known transgressors
• People who care not how they behave in public

There is much more details that need to be explained to fully understand this law. These will be discussed in future articles. Please feel free to send us questions and comments on establishing a Noahide courts system.



Posted in Noahide Laws | Tags: courts system, Noahide court, Seven Laws of Noah

http://thenoahidelaws.com/archives/noahide-laws-establishing-courts-of-law

Yes this group may have all these things on their agenda. Thats why I am fully convinced now that the Jews will accept the false prophet. The false prophet will bring in new laws to execute & punish those who do not abey. Israel will love his values and his power, he will decieve them. He will make a confederacy with Israel, to destroy the dome of the Rock which no one has ever dared to. Israel will think that he's on their side, and with his armies, have the support and back-up to carry out their (Israelies) plan, but he will turn on Israel, it will backfire.

So again, this mob will not rule Israel. It may be on their agenda, but it will not happen. Not according to Word of the Lord. Israel will be trodden over by the gentiles for 3 1/2 years. The false prophet and his armies will invade Israel and take over. As mentioned in Revelations & old testament. There will be a lot of death there in Israel.

 

[Scotth1960]

Yes this group may have all these things on their agenda. Thats why I am fully convinced now that the Jews will accept the false prophet. The false prophet will bring in new laws to execute & punish those who do not abey. Israel will love his values and his power, he will decieve them. He will make a confederacy with Israel, to destroy the dome of the Rock which no one has ever dared to. Israel will think that he's on their side, and with his armies, have the support and back-up to carry out their (Israelies) plan, but he will turn on Israel, it will backfire.

So again, this mob will not rule Israel. It may be on their agenda, but it will not happen. Not according to Word of the Lord. Israel will be trodden over by the gentiles for 3 1/2 years. The false prophet and his armies will invade Israel and take over. As mentioned in Revelations & old testament. There will be a lot of death there in Israel.

Dear journey41, You should read Michael A. Hoffman's book "JUDAISM'S STRANGE GODS".
Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

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John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

​

order, the world​

Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.

[The English term "cosmetic" is derived from 2889 /kósmos, i.e. the order ("ensemble") used of treating the face as a whole.]

Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
order, the world
NASB Word Usage
adornment (1), world (184), world's (1).

 

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~ if you haven't figured this out yet, this "general revelation at Mount Sinai" are the Oral Traditons of The Pharisees.

~ if you don't see these Universal Noahide Laws in your Bible, its because they aren't in there. Jesus said his Kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD.

~ if you think this earthly "Kingdom" isn't aready in place, just click around his site and see how far along these "Laws" are in Australia.

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[wakeup]

huh?
you had ALL the answers.
what do you mean its all so confusing?



huh?
still don't get it i guess.




confusing?
why is it?
don't you know what's going on?





still don't get it do you?
i thought you had all the answers.

is it starting to dawn on you yet?

HOW'S THE VIEW FROM BABYLON????



did you know that's what the BABYLON/BABEL means? confusion?

HOW'S DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY WORKIN' FOR YA?



maybe you need to rethink your list of what "we" believe.
any clue what's happening yet?





it might come to you.
just keep pondering.

GOOD LUCK

dont you know that there is no such as good luck with god?
nothing is by chance with god. the reason why you made it so
confusing is , because your teachings does not come of the bible
my friend. you must stick to the bible to find the spiritual.
you can read books to study the historical side of it,yes. but not the
spiritual . the holy bible can handle that, no need to go somewhere
else for help. the holy spirit will teach. have faith in the word of god.
he will do it. much words only confuse the truth seekers.
i know that you are very enthusiastic, just stick to the word of god.
the other books they are not the word of god( MENS BOOKS )
you know we humans, we have that sinfull streak in us,we tend to
get gready, and untruthful , humans tend to get puffed up.
only a humble heart can find the truth.


you have a wonderfull day.
wakeup.

 

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​

That the Gentiles' worship of "false gods" was a sin came to be a common doctrine only in Second Temple times. Deuteronomy even reflects the notion that the misdirected worship of the pagans was a divine ordinance.[4] The first hints of a new attitude occur in Jeremiah, with polemical fragments against idolatry addressed to the pagans.[5] From here it is but a step to making the renunciation of false gods one of the minimal obligations of all people. This step was taken in the later formulation of the "Noahite laws."

Historically, however, the Noahites had refused to accept their obligations; the nations were ignorant of the true God and barbaric in their conduct.[10] While the individual Noahite might be a God-fearer, for the salvation of the race — a catalytic became necessary. That role was assigned to Israel.

JHOM - SEVEN - Noahite Laws


~

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

John 8:19
They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 18:37
Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”

John 15:21
But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me

Acts 5:41
They, therefore, left the Sanhedrin and went their way, rejoicing that they had been deemed worthy to suffer disgrace on behalf of the NAME.

 

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John 17
The High Priestly Prayer

1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.a 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify themb in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself,c that they also may be sanctifiedd in truth.

20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

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dont you know that there is no such as good luck with god?
nothing is by chance with god. the reason why you made it so
confusing is , because your teachings does not come of the bible
my friend. you must stick to the bible to find the spiritual.
you can read books to study the historical side of it,yes. but not the
spiritual . the holy bible can handle that, no need to go somewhere
else for help. the holy spirit will teach. have faith in the word of god.
he will do it. much words only confuse the truth seekers.
i know that you are very enthusiastic, just stick to the word of god.
the other books they are not the word of god( MENS BOOKS )
you know we humans, we have that sinfull streak in us,we tend to
get gready, and untruthful , humans tend to get puffed up.
only a humble heart can find the truth.


you have a wonderfull day.
wakeup.

wakeup.
this thread is to document a kingdom being set up in this world, it lies just into the future.
more precisely, it is a Monarchy of sorts, headed by one who sits a Queen, and is No Widow...she may yet introduce a king to this world.


Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

this is not The Kingdom of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
do you understand?

 

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REGARDING DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EARTHLY KINGDOM IN EARTHLY JERUSALEM:​

~ please look very closely to see another jesus, and another gospel being offered.​

~ this particular cult is part of The Third Wave, part of a broader assault on Biblical Christianity. ​

~ see if you can identify the aims, and ramifications of this assault.​

~ notice there is no fear of actually using a name jesus, nor our Scriptures.​

2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.​

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.​

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.​

"The Earth belongs to HaShem and the Fullness Thereof."​

The Noahide Nazarene Way

By John of AllFaith © 2003
Welcome! On this page, you will find an introduction to the Noahide Nazarene Way. You may have never heard of this belief before and that's OK, that's why this page was created! Here you will gain a basic understanding of the Noahide Movement in general as well the Noahide Nazarene Way in particular. May HaShem and our teacher Y'shua of Nazareth bless your desire to learn more about His Ways! The Noahide Nazarene Way


~ they have already supposedly named a jesus, and of nazareth...now look very closely at what they do:

Moshiach


According to the Nevi'im, one day a great and mighty priest/warrior/king will arise and lead the Israeli armies to victory over the entire earth, ushering in an age of peace and security. He will establish theocratic leadership as king of the Jewish people and bring blessings and stability to the entire earth, even as HaShem promised Abraham at Genesis 17:6-8:

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
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This prophesied Jewish hero is referred to in Scripture as "The Anointed Leader" or Moshiach or Messiah by way of translation. A few leaders in the Tanakh are called moshiach, however this will be the final and greatest of Israel's warrior kings.
Throughout the centuries many people have risen claiming to be the Moshiach, but in every instance those who placed their hopes in such people were disappointed. To date, the main messianic prophecies of the Tanakh have yet to be fulfilled.
With the passage of time Y'shua ben Miriam was born, taught and then died. According to the Book The Acts of the Apostles, those who followed Master Y'shua were known as "the Sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5). These people were also called "Christians" (Acts 11:26).

"For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes." "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
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As Nazarenes they were followers of Y'shua of Nazareth; as Christians they were people who sought to be Christ-like: "christ" being the Greek form of "messiah," or "anointed." In other words, Christians are, by definition; people who believe that Master Y'shua was the Messiah and who seek to follow his example, to be Christ-like. At least, this is what we are taught by the Church.

The term Christian certainly does denote one who is Christ-like and since Acts 11:26 says that Master Y'shua's followers were first called that Antioch; it certain is an appropriate name. However, the term can just as easily mean that Christians are people who seek the anointing of HaShem, as surely Christians are, but not they alone. The point is, referring to Master Y'shua's followers as Christians, does not necessarily indicate their belief that he was the Christ of Messiah. It could just as well indicate that he taught them to live their lives in such a way that they might all be anointed by HaShem. "Be ye Christ like.' That the early Noahide Nazarenes were seeking God's anointing is the point.

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So far so good, however here's where it gets a bit tricky! Master Y'shua of Nazareth, as he is depicted in the New Testament and as our common experiences demonstrate, clearly did not fulfill several of the key prophecies required of the Messiah; specifically, he did not take up the Scepter of Judah and begin a theocratic reign of the earth:

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Obviously then, HaShem is the rightful authority and he gives this authority to whomsoever he pleases (Dan 4:17). HaShem gives the kingdom to Shiloh, the Jewish Messiah. Until it is given to him, and forever afterward, the scepter remains with the Jews.

Establishing the Kingdom of HaShem on earth is the primary function or role of the Messiah in biblical prophecy. If Master Y'shua did not fulfill this essential messianic prophecy, which he obviously didn't, then how can he have been the Messiah or Christ?


~ now watch this dialectic:

What is our understanding of Master Y'shua of Nazareth then? Noahides, like Jews, do not accept that Master Y'shua was even a tzaddik or righteous person let alone the Shiloh. This varies, but most seem to view him as a cult leader or an opportunist. For Christians of course, he was the Messiah and the prophecies he did not fulfill will be fulfilled on his return to the planet. That there will be two "comings" of the Messiah is not supported anywhere in the Tanakh however.

While Noahide Nazarenes recognize that Master Y'shua did not fulfill the major messianic prophecies, and hence cannot rightly be called Shiloh, we do believe that he was more than simply a wise rabbi or teacher. He was a tzaddik or holy man and a gifted prophet of HaShem, but he is more than that. ...Master Y'shua was most certainly 'an anointed one', 'a messiah', however he did not fulfill the most important requirements of the Shiloh because at the time of his earthly ministry the Jews of Jerusalem refused to accept Master's Y'shua's teachings. According to standard Orthodox Jewish understanding, there are certain situations that, if they occur, will cause the Messiah to appear. These are based on both the Written and Oral Torah...

...Yet still, these are not the primary things the Shiloh must accomplish. Without re-establishing the Throne of David, no contender for the position can be accepted, biblically speaking...

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~ we are told that because Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not, He could not have been the Messiah, or that if He WAS the messiah, His Kingdom was postponed.

~ are all 70 WEEKS fulfilled? did The Messiah come and FINISH His Work?

~ did Jesus say His Kingdom is of this world?

is this true?

 

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Increasingly supported by the U.S. and other governments, the U.N.'s Hague Tribunal is only lacking a set of general principles by which to administer international law. "...the ICC's authorizing statute 'should be one of principle and not of detail...' [It should] be a flexible statute based on principles which may be developed by the Court as circumstances require while still providing sufficient guidance to establish an international framework within which the Court can work... also... the ICC must be able to employ 'an element of compulsion' in order 'to redress gross violations of human rights and international law....'"

...The imposition of international law is currently the objective of a worldwide, multicultural and politically-oriented religious network that is working diligently to hasten mankind's departure from the Age of Grace and return to "The Law."

Indeed, according to dispensational theology, the Age of Grace closes with the rapture of the Church, commencing the 70th week of God's dealings with the nation of Israel and return to the Mosaic Law. (Dan. 9:27)

heeeyyyyy.....where have i heard THAT before?