Future sin forgiven the cross you are free, maybe

[mailmandan]

You've been blinded by satanic pride. That's par for course when considering God's warnings concerning goings on in the end times.

That statement is the epitome of irony.

None the less, Jesus did not teach law to the Jews... He taught the gospel of the kingdom, therefore His Word are in fact applicable to Christians today.

So you finally admit that that the New Covenant was not yet fully established prior to the death of Jesus. What is the gospel of the kingdom? Who was Jesus sent to? (Matthew 15:24). Why did Jesus mention 5 of the Ten Commandments (law) in Matthew 19:18 and why was the law being discussed in Matthew 22:35-40? Jesus said upon these two great commandments (Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind/Love your neighbor as yourself) hang all the Law and the Prophets (vs. 40).

None the less, Jesus did not teach law to the Jews... He taught the gospel of the kingdom, therefore His Word are in fact applicable to Christians today.

So Jesus never mentioned the law to the Jews? Again, what is the gospel of the kingdom? Was Jesus sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24) or to the body of Christ, which was not yet fully established? (John 7:38-39).

It's always amazing to see those that claim to be followers of Jesus and yet deny Him teachings.

Yes, I end up in debates with such people on Christian Chat all the time.

Matthew 7:24-27
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

As we read in Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses.

Those deceived by their own self-righteousness in Matthew 7:22-23 were "outwardly" doing all the things that the righteous would do yet they did not truly know Christ (had no personal relationship with Christ - John 17:3) which stemmed from not truly believing in Him. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him (trust exclusively in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation) are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. *The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.

Yo house is falling and you don't even know!

That's your house son.

 

[blessedjohn80]

When Jesus died on the cross for our sins none of us were even alive. He died for the sins we would later commit in the future.

Exactly!

God is not stingy when it comes to healing so why would He be stingy when it comes to forgiving sins?

God gave the law in two tablets of stone but both were given at the same time.
It doesn't even make sense then that if we break one law we break it all so, in that sense,
if some sins aren't forgiven then we are still lost in sin.

If all your sins are not forgiven then you have not been freed from the law at all!

Being forgiven of sins must be whole, from beginning to end.
And God, who Is The Beginning and The End, can remove sins as a whole.

That's just awesome!

 

[Rockrz]

If the Blood of Jesus could automatically be applied to all people without their consent or involvement... then universalism would be true.

Mankind must accept and walk with the Lord in order to remain IN HIM because God created us in His image which is why He said He is NOT mocked in Galatians 6:7,8 that whatsoever we sow is what we reap that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

Many today are trying to claim that it matters not whether we continue in sin or not that we are still saved regardless and that is another gospel taught by another jesus... satan himself.

 

[blessedjohn80]

If the Blood of Jesus could automatically be applied to all people without their consent or involvement... then universalism would be true.

Yeah but we're not talking about universalism are we? One must believe that Jesus paid for all your sins.
That's what it means accepting He is our Lord. Meaning He is the one doing the saving.

Jesus is our savior.
We are the ones being saved.

Mankind must accept and walk with the Lord in order to remain IN HIM because God created us in His image which is why He said He is NOT mocked in Galatians 6:7,8 that whatsoever we sow is what we reap that if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption.

Mankind must believe in Him and remain believing in Him.
Works are not required in salvation they are the fruit of being saved.
If works were required in salvation then it wouldn't be free and we wouldn't need Jesus
because we would be able to save ourselves just by following the law.

"He is not mocked" is speaking to those who do not believe.
Specifically those who do not believe the saving power of the Blood of Jesus.

"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

That's why there is much glorifying in heaven because of Jesus.
Because He did it all!
He's suffering was not in vain.
He surely did not reap what He sow
Yet He did it because God loves us.

If you live by the law, of course you will reap what you sow.
If you believe that not ALL your sins have been forgiven then you are still bound by the law and you still break it.

"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. "

Many today are trying to claim that it matters not whether we continue in sin or not that we are still saved regardless and that is another gospel taught by another jesus... satan himself.

No. Jesus paid for it all.
Jesus paid with His blood.

You have salvation if you believe in Him.

The devil steals, kills, and destroy because he knows you have salvation to steal,
and he can steal that salvation, he can kill that life you have in Jesus,
and destroy the joy, trust, and your walk with God.

The real deception always starts by putting away the focus from the blood of Jesus,
belittling the power of God's love, and putting the focus on man's work.

 

[Rockrz]

Mankind must believe in Him and remain believing in Him.

And... what happens to those that quit believing IN HIM???

The New Testament warns about this and it's ain't good for backsliders.

If one listens to you... it sounds like they could be a drunk or a drug addict and still be saved as long as they "believe"

"He is not mocked" is speaking to those who do not believe.

That's what your false grace idols tell you. What Jesus did at the Cross does not do away with seedtime and harvest for anybody whether they are saved or not.

The Word is clear, those that sow to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption and this was written to Christians.

If you live by the law, of course you will reap what you sow.

And when your false grace idols take up an offering they claim those that give will reap a double portion!... are they lying since we are not under the law but under grace???

Well, according to the Lord - if we do good we reap that which is good, and if we do bad we will reap that which is bad.

Of course it's not God's will that we do bad, but the point is... is God the One controlling the thoughts and actions of people???

No, He is not... like it or not, it's entirely possible for someone to turn away from the Lord. Some do, I did actually when I was a young guy just a few weeks after getting saved which proved Jesus was right in Mark 4:13-20.

You have salvation if you believe in Him.

So, if a person is a drug addict and they get gloriously saved and live for the Lord for a few years... and something happens and they get depressed and get back on drugs and that becomes their lifestyle once again, yet they still "believe"... are you saying in Romans 8 where the Lord's Word teaches us that "if you live after the flesh you shall die"... you would deny the Word of the Lord???

You're sounding like one of those that refuses to accept the whole Word of God and that God did not create man in His Own image which is how we got free will and is how we reap whatsoever we sow.

Do you believe the warnings the Lord gave concerning what would be happenings in the end times... or do you deny that too?

 

[Gabriel2020]

all sins commited by the believer after he is born again are covered, which mean they are hidden by God and are not counted against him.

 

[blessedjohn80]

And... what happens to those that quit believing IN HIM???

"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"

"And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

"looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Nothing clearer than those scriptures. Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.
Did you think that the faith that you have came from you?

"For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?"

Is that clear enough? We clearly didn't save ourselves.
Why act as though it is up to us to carry out our salvation?

The New Testament warns about this and it's ain't good for backsliders.
If one listens to you... it sounds like they could be a drunk or a drug addict and still be saved as long as they "believe"

Well praise God for that!

"Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you."

Jesus' work is awesome.
Can't stand that Jesus takes all the credit huh?
Can't stand that sinners get salvation first than those deemed "good workers".

That's what your false grace idols tell you. What Jesus did at the Cross does not do away with seedtime and harvest for anybody whether they are saved or not.

The Word is clear, those that sow to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption and this was written to Christians.

Is that the gospel? those that sow to the flesh shall reap corruption?
But I thought the gospel was about Jesus and the cross?
Didn't Jesus sow in the spirit? How then did He became sin and died on the cross?

Or are you trying to point away from that important part of the gospel.
Pointing away from the cross.
Pointing away from the salvation that came from the cross.

That's what the devil is doing to false teachers.
They point away from the cross.
They point away from Jesus.
They point away from the love of God.
They point away from the forgiveness of sins.

Instead they point to the law.
They point to condemnation.
They point to works.
And to make it even catchy, they add a little forgiveness of sins.
Forgiveness of just past sins just to make God look good just enough to hook those innocent ones.

And when your false grace idols take up an offering they claim those that give will reap a double portion!... are they lying since we are not under the law but under grace???

No, you just don't get it. You can't even understand the meaning of grace and the significance of the cross
how can you understand the blessings of the Christians under grace.

Well, according to the Lord - if we do good we reap that which is good, and if we do bad we will reap that which is bad.

You mean Lord Jesus right? Again, the cross.
We agree that Jesus is the prime example of living in faith right?
So following on that thought, Jesus did not reap the good things He sow right?
In that same matter, the bad things that we sow we reap good things all because of Jesus!
Clear?
But if you continue to believe in the doing good reap good have it your way. It just goes to show that you don't believe in the cross and the salvation of Jesus Christ our Lord.
And that would be on you.

Of course it's not God's will that we do bad, but the point is... is God the One controlling the thoughts and actions of people???

No, He is not... like it or not, it's entirely possible for someone to turn away from the Lord. Some do, I did actually when I was a young guy just a few weeks after getting saved which proved Jesus was right in Mark 4:13-20.

So you claim to have turned away from the Lord (Jesus) and then came back?
So who do you thank for coming back to the Lord (Jesus)?
Yourself?
or
Jesus?

"For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?"

So, if a person is a drug addict and they get gloriously saved and live for the Lord for a few years... and something happens and they get depressed and get back on drugs and that becomes their lifestyle once again, yet they still "believe"... are you saying in Romans 8 where the Lord's Word teaches us that "if you live after the flesh you shall die"... you would deny the Word of the Lord???

You're sounding like one of those that refuses to accept the whole Word of God and that God did not create man in His Own image which is how we got free will and is how we reap whatsoever we sow.

Do you believe the warnings the Lord gave concerning what would be happenings in the end times... or do you deny that too?

Again, what do we really have that God did not provide?
Even right now, if you believe that you are sealed by the Holy Spirit, do you still think that the works you do,
good or bad counts for and or against you?

I find it hard to imagine who you give your thanks to when good things happen in life for you.
Would you then because of the "free will" that you "have" give an honest thanks to God for them?
Shouldn't it be that you thank yourself that because you did the "right things" that good things happen to your life?

Having free will is not power or glory.
Having free will does not give you the power to do anything.
What free will does is knowing what is good and evil and that's it.

It would be helpful to take a look at Genesis where the devil tricked man to eat of the fruit of Good and Evil.
The point there was to make man think they are equal with God, which is a lie.

Unbelievers with their free will choose to deny Christ Jesus, the power of the Holy Spirit, and the love of God.
Believers with their free will receive the goodness and love of God through Jesus sealed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Still, focus on Christ Jesus always and be guided by the Holy Spirit in you.
God loves.
God is a good God.
And Jesus, did an awesome thing giving us the blessings we did not deserve
and freed us from the curses and punishment that we do deserve.

"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;He has put Him to grief.

When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,

And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.

By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,

Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,

And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors."


​Praise Jesus!

 

[Rockrz]

So who do you thank for coming back to the Lord (Jesus)?
Yourself?
or
Jesus?

Yeah... Jesus came back to Himself


If OSAS is true, then this scripture is a lie...

2 Peter 1:2-11
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. (very obviously spoken to Christians!)
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: (very obviously spoken to Christians!)
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

False teachers hate is passage...