Future sin forgiven the cross you are free, maybe

[blessedjohn80]

Yes, when one gets born again they are forgiven for all sin they have committed up until that point... it's the new sin going forward that corrupts believers and some confess and forsake their sin keeping their relationship with the Lord and others hide their sin (Proverbs 28:13) and play like they can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

You are deceived if you believe that your sins are not all forgiven.

"Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’?

But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic,
“I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying,

“We never saw anything like this!”"


Where in the scripture does it state that when born again they are forgiven all their sin to a certain point only?

Are you saying Jesus forgave only parts of your sins despite the bible saying that all sins have been forgiven?

Also, when in the bible did Jesus ever heal a sick person and leave it half complete?

When He healed the leper did He leave one part unhealed?
When He healed the blind did He leave one eye blind?
When He healed the lame did He leave one leg lame?
When He cast out demons did He leave some behind?
When He raised the dead did He leave one part paralyzed?

That's right, Jesus healed all the sick and even raised the dead. And you're saying He doesn't forgive all your sins?

"That evening people brought to Jesus many who had demons. Jesus spoke and the demons left them, and He healed all the sick. He did these things to bring about what Isaiah the prophet had said:

“He took our suffering on Him
and carried our diseases.” Isaiah 53:4"

The Lord created man in His Own image so what we sow is what we reap. Enjoy!

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

“He took our suffering on Him
and carried our diseases.” Isaiah 53:4

Jesus certainly didn't deserve what He reaped, didn't He?
He was perfect yet He died carrying all our sins.

What does that make us then?
Right, reaping the good things we did not sow.

See, if you focus too much away from the cross you lose sight of things and get deceived.
The gospel is about the cross not about the law.
The gospel is focused on Jesus, not about the law.
The gospel is good indeed because of one perfect work alone, through Jesus at the cross.

So why bring up the law every time? Don't you know that even the law took part in the death of Jesus?

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

Isn't that clear enough?

In the old testament, sins were covered by the innocent blood of animals and not by the law.
In the new testament, sins are blotted out by the innocent blood of Jesus Christ and not by the law.

So what makes you think that following the law makes you right with God?
If it didn't work in the old why would it work in the new?

If Jesus cleans you, you are cleansed as a whole!
Not partially.
Not a little.
Not maybe.
You are clean!

That's why you say "amen!" to salvation and not "maybe!" or "not yet"

Jesus did not scam you. The devil did.

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy."

Why does he steal? Because you already have salvation in Jesus.
Why does he kill? Because you are already alive in Jesus.
Why does he destroy? Because you are already in good standing in Jesus.

Work to stay saved? Says who?

Certainly not Jesus because He already said "It is finished."
And God says "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."


Hallelujah!

 

[Yonah]

show me just one text in scripture that says all future sin is forgiven. and if you cant its isn't.

 

[tourist]

show me just one text in scripture that says all future sin is forgiven. and if you cant its isn't.

When Jesus died on the cross for our sins none of us were even alive. He died for the sins we would later commit in the future.

 

[BeyondET]

The enemy is very cunning and uses multible theories pertaining to sin. just a few listed below.

1. sinned to much can never be redeemed.
2. can always sin because there is a redeemer.
3. Don't sin so redeemed.

 

[Rockrz]

For the third time, In John 15, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit (vs. 2) but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

Yeah, that's kinda like people that support gay marriage claim it's all good with the Lord because He never specifically mentioned gay peoples. When Jesus says marriage is between one man and one woman... He means exactly that!

He does not have to mention gay marriage, marriage with animals or inanimate objects or multiple partner marriages, etc,etc because He has given the DEFINITION of what marriage is.

Bottom line according to Jesus is... those IN HIM that do not bare fruit are taken away. They bore a certain meansure of fruit be getting born again which is the only way one cane be IN HIM so they did bare some fruit

Now, go read Romans 1 where the Lord speaks of those that decided to not retain the knowledge of God and were turned over to a reprobate mind meaning the Lord let them turn away from them because the Lord is the One who gave them free will therefore He must let people walk away if they want to.

False. Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Did'cha notice Jesus said those that DO the will of the Father enter in???

This is totally different from today's false grace teachers who claim we don't need to DO anything.

The purpose of man's existence is to allow the Father to live in them and walk in them so He cane be our God and we His people (2 Corinthians 6:16)... this denotes walking in agreement with Him

There are those that get born again... and later they allow satan's devices to enter in and choke God's Word and they become unfruitful (Mark 4:13-20)... notice Jesus speak of those receiving God's Word and then later becomig unfruitful???

I know it's hard on you OSAS people, but you really do need to accept the whole counsel of God lest you be found to be a false brethren just like yo favorites TV preachers that you fellaz be making idols out of.

James does not teach that we are saved "by" works.

I'm never said he did... I'm saying the faith the God accepts ALWAYS produces good works. The result of genuine faith is producing good works, or fruit.

In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith but has no works (to back up his claim, where is the fruit?). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith

But, but... er... ah... you OSAS people claim all one must do is confess Jesus as Lord and they are saved whether they live for the Lord (walking after the Spirit), or in the world (walking after the flesh)

You people are cherry pickers! You should put a Cherry Picker Sticker on yo car!

Jesus stated He never knew them

Speaking of He was never allowed to be intimate with them as in they did not allow the Lord to live in them (see 2 Corinthians 6:16, and Romans 8)

Boy, you sho nuff gonna hate what Jesus said here:

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Overcome = walking in the Spirit, not after the flesh

Now, based on what Jesus said we know it's possible to be blotted out of the book of life... and yet ou OSAS peoples wanna talk like Jesus is a liar. That's not gonna end well for you homeboyz

One of the signs of the end times is the precense of false prophets & teachers who deny... contridict... the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that drink dat OSAS koolaid are those people.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction (corruption, blindness)

 

[Bladerunner]

The U.S.A was built on the 10 commandments, and now its crumbling because they've taken them out of schools, courts, and other public places, and people are forgetting what made this country strong in first place.

They have taken God out of our schools, No prayer..... No mention of God or the Bible.

This nation has kill some 60,000,000+ unborn babies since abortion was ruled legal.

and it continues.....Now we have mixed marriages all legalized by the Supreme Court.

and continues....WHat is next....????????????????????????????????

When God judged a NATION in the past, it was because of its (leaders i.e. government) that lead it people and National policies away from God.

As Billy Graham once said" If God does not Judge America,,He will owe Sodom and Gamorrah an APOLOGY.

 

[Rockrz]

As Billy Graham once said" If God does not Judge America,,He will owe Sodom and Gamorrah an APOLOGY.

Was that before or after he was sucking up to catholiks, claiming they are saved even as they engage in idolatry

Let us not forget judgement comes for leading people astray as well. The RCC is the whore of babylon with the blood of the saints running out her mouth!

 

[PeterJens]

People walk in unbelief if they believe sins they have not yet commited are already forgiven
in Christ.

It is unbelief in Christs provision in dealing with sin through repentance, confession and faith.
This is how sin is dealt with.

But some believers want to think sin is not an issue, they can do whatever they like God
has forgiven them. But this is like getting a free pass because you know a judge. That is
just corruption. You go to caught, a few words are said and you go free.

Jesus came to make us into righteous people, a light on a hill, salt that stops corruption,
love in an island of hatred and anger.

People will always seek excuses for sin and not resolving their hearts.
God is plain, repent of your sins, believe on Christ and walk into the Kingdom of heaven.

Behaviour and how you behave matters. It is why we come to Christ to solve the
unsolvable issues in our hearts.

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah, that's kinda like people that support gay marriage claim it's all good with the Lord because He never specifically mentioned gay peoples. When Jesus says marriage is between one man and one woman... He means exactly that!

He does not have to mention gay marriage, marriage with animals or inanimate objects or multiple partner marriages, etc,etc because He has given the DEFINITION of what marriage is.

We were not discussing gay marriage and the Bible is clear that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Bottom line according to Jesus is... those IN HIM that do not bare fruit are taken away. They bore a certain meansure of fruit be getting born again which is the only way one cane be IN HIM so they did bare some fruit

Bears no fruit/self-attached to the vine IS NOT in the body of Christ, as you assume that IN ME means. Christ was not even glorified yet when He spoke these words and believers had not yet received the Holy Spirit (John 7:38-39) so "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine, (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the New Covenant which was not yet fully established. In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit).

If Jesus had wanted to teach that there were true and false believers associated with Him, and if He wanted to use the analogy of a vine and branches, then the only way He could refer to people who do not have genuine life in themselves would be to speak of branches that bear no fruit (somewhat after the analogy of the seeds that fell on rocky ground and had "no root" in themselves" and produced no fruit Mark 4:17). Here in John 15 the branches that do not bear fruit, though they are in some way connected to Jesus and give an outward appearance of being genuine branches, nonetheless give indication of their true state by the fact they bear no fruit. This is similarly indicated by the fact that the person "does not abide" in Christ (John 15:6) and is cast off as a branch and withers. If we try to press the analogy any further, by saying, for example, that all branches on a vine really are alive or they would not be there in the first place, then we are simply trying to press the imagery beyond what it is able to teach--and in that case there would be nothing in the analogy that could represent false believers in any case. The point of the imagery is simply that those who bear fruit thereby give evidence that they are abiding in Christ; those who do not, are not abiding in Him.

Now, go read Romans 1 where the Lord speaks of those that decided to not retain the knowledge of God and were turned over to a reprobate mind meaning the Lord let them turn away from them because the Lord is the One who gave them free will therefore He must let people walk away if they want to.

Starting in verse 18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness...they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (That is not descriptive of believers and it reminds me of John 3:19 - And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil). These unbelievers worship and serve the creation rather than the Creator. Nothing is mentioned in Romans chapter 1 about these unbelievers previously being saved and then losing their salvation.

Did'cha notice Jesus said those that DO the will of the Father enter in???

Salvation by works is not the will of the Father. *Did you notice in John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

This is totally different from today's false grace teachers who claim we don't need to DO anything.

Salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is totally different from today's works based false gospel teachers who claim that we must DO something to help Christ save us, as if Christ is an IN-sufficient Savior.

The purpose of man's existence is to allow the Father to live in them and walk in them so He cane be our God and we His people (2 Corinthians 6:16)... this denotes walking in agreement with Him

Which only genuine believers allow and not unbelievers.

There are those that get born again... and later they allow satan's devices to enter in and choke God's Word and they become unfruitful (Mark 4:13-20)... notice Jesus speak of those receiving God's Word and then later becomig unfruitful???

Who said the thorny ground hearers were born again? In regards to the thorny soil, the word was choked out before reaching it's desired goal, making it [unfruitful]. The word is choked and therefore does not produce a renewed spiritual life in the person; "the anxieties of the age and the pleasures of wealth chokes the message. The worries of life and the delusions of wealth have the effect of stifling the word/gospel, such that the person does not bear the fruit of salvation. Neither the stony ground hearer or the thorny ground hearer were fruitful. Put a stop to the growth of the word and it gives no fruit (Bible in Basic English). The potential to eventually become established and produce fruit was there, but the word was choked out before reaching it's desired goal. It (the seed, the word) became unfruitful (produces nothing, proves unfruitful, does not produce fruit, yields nothing), because the growth of the word was choked. In the Complete Jewish Bible we read, Now the seed sown among thorns stands for someone who hears the message, but it is choked by the worries of the world and the deceitful glamor of wealth, so that it produces nothing. *Nothing amounts to nothing and nothing was mentioned about it ever producing something. Faith without works is dead.

In CONTRAST, we read in Matthew 13:23 - "And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who INDEED BEARS FRUIT and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty." *Only the 4th soil produced crops of any size.* I suppose the question still remains, "can this forth soil eventually become fruitless?" I have to conclude that if this were possible, why didn't Christ include such a scenario before concluding? There is mention of a difference in the size of the crops, but no consequences or warnings are given to the lesser producers. Only the 4th soil was referred to as "good ground" and produced a crop (fruit) and there is NO MENTION OF CHOKING OR WITHERING THEREAFTER.

I know it's hard on you OSAS people, but you really do need to accept the whole counsel of God lest you be found to be a false brethren just like yo favorites TV preachers that you fellaz be making idols out of.

I do accept the whole counsel of God and NOWHERE does the Bible specifically say that a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation." I find it ironic to hear you accuse me of being a false brethren.

I'm never said he did... I'm saying the faith the God accepts ALWAYS produces good works. The result of genuine faith is producing good works, or fruit.

That is the whole point of James chapter 2 and not that we are saved by works.

But, but... er... ah... you OSAS people claim all one must do is confess Jesus as Lord and they are saved whether they live for the Lord (walking after the Spirit), or in the world (walking after the flesh)

Romans 10:9 says if we confess with out mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead we will be saved. Is that not hard enough for you? Romans 8:4 - Believers walk according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh. Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. *You confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture.

You people are cherry pickers! You should put a Cherry Picker Sticker on yo car!

It's you who cherry picks and ignores the CONTEXT.

Speaking of He was never allowed to be intimate with them as in they did not allow the Lord to live in them (see 2 Corinthians 6:16, and Romans 8)

Either we are saved and have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ or not.

Boy, you sho nuff gonna hate what Jesus said here:

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Overcome = walking in the Spirit, not after the flesh

Now, based on what Jesus said we know it's possible to be blotted out of the book of life... and yet ou OSAS peoples wanna talk like Jesus is a liar. That's not gonna end well for you homeboyz

Why would I hate it? The "overcomer" mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--OUR FAITH.

*All genuine believers are "overcomers!" Praise God!

Some people see in Revelation 3:5 the picture of God’s pen poised, ready to strike out the name of any Christian who sins. They read into it like this: "If you mess up and don’t win the victory, then you’re going to lose your salvation! In fact, I will erase your name from the Book of Life!"

*But that is NOT what the verse says. Jesus is giving a promise here, not a warning.

Walking in the Spirit, not after the flesh is descriptive of those who have overcome through faith. You have this backwards.

One of the signs of the end times is the precense of false prophets & teachers who deny... contridict... the Lord Jesus Christ. Those that drink dat OSAS koolaid are those people.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction (corruption, blindness)

You just condemned all who teach OSAS. You are not qualified to make that judgment call. 2 Peter 2:1 mentions nothing about OSAS (preservation of the saints) being a heresy. Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off. You call that heresy? What you teach on the other hand is questionable:

In post #254 of the Martin Luther Invented the "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" Doctrine thread, you said - No one is going to be judged righteosu because of what Jesus did or His righteousness, ye will all be judged by your works done in faith ...righteousness is an individual thing, and so is sin, neither can be transferred or proxied...again; Jesus is our pattern of righteousness, our Holy example to follow after....

IN CONTRAST, we read:

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

2 Corinthians 5:21 - For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

Through our faith in Christ, the righteousness of God is given to us. This is called "imputed" righteousness. To impute something is to ascribe or attribute something to someone. Those who trust in "performance based works salvation" hate the truth of imputed righteousness!

 

[Bladerunner]

Was that before or after he was sucking up to catholiks, claiming they are saved even as they engage in idolatry

Let us not forget judgement comes for leading people astray as well. The RCC is the whore of babylon with the blood of the saints running out her mouth!

I don't think he was talking about the RCC which I agree with you but rather a comparison of the depths of sin America has fallen into are akin to that of those two cities.

We, America have turned away from God and keep in mind one thing; America is not mentioned in the Bible by name. In the verse that contains the phrase " the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions" (ezekiel 38:13), America is no longer a superpower enough to do anything other than ask what Gog's intentions against Israel are during the coming Gog/Magog war.

Rockrz..don't get me wrong, I wish America was pre 1964 in their belief in God instead of where we are at now.

As for the RCC, there is no doubt, She, the Vatican city will be the Harlot riding the Beast prior to and within the first 3.5 years of the tribulations.

A blessed day to you sir

Blade

 

[Rockrz]

We were not discussing gay marriage and the Bible is clear that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Yes, and Jesus was very clear when He said those IN HIM that bare no fruit... the Father takes away.
He did not stutter... cause He doesn't idolize TV preachers!

A blessed day to you sir

Well, that certainly deserve the Elvis treatment!

Thank you, thank ya very much

King of the BurgerZ

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, and Jesus was very clear when He said those IN HIM that bare no fruit... the Father takes away.
He did not stutter... cause He doesn't idolize TV preachers!

Well, that certainly deserve the Elvis treatment!

Thank you, thank ya very much

King of the BurgerZ

I have already thoroughly explained to you that IN ME is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) not in the body of Christ under the New Covenant which was not yet fully established (John 7:38,39). *In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

 

[PeterJens]

I have already thoroughly explained to you that IN ME is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) not in the body of Christ under the New Covenant which was not yet fully established (John 7:38,39). *In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

Why did Jesus wait for the disciples to be filled with the Holy Spirit before they
started to write down the gospels. Because what Jesus was sharing only made
sense when the Kingdom had come, and the new covenant had been truly established.

Jesus could not say these things after the Holy Spirit had come because He was not
there and He needed the disciples to know it was His teaching for them now.

It is why this dispensational view is so wrong. Jesus is teaching eternal truths not
just stuff for a year or two prior to the cross. By that logic Jesus actually was teaching
nothing only Paul and the apostles had true spiritual authority and truth through the
Holy Spirit and God himself was not looking forward and teaching what He knew they
would understand later

 

[Rockrz]

I have already thoroughly explained to you that IN ME is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) not in the body of Christ under the New Covenant which was not yet fully established (John 7:38,39). *In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

You need to quit thinking what Jesus taught is a lie and/or does not apply to us today... cause it does buddy boy!

It is why this dispensational view is so wrong. Jesus is teaching eternal truths not
just stuff for a year or two prior to the cross. By that logic Jesus actually was teaching
nothing only Paul and the apostles had true spiritual authority and truth through the
Holy Spirit and God himself was not looking forward and teaching what He knew they
would understand later

Exactly... Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which was first proclaimed thru John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jesus was NOT teaching law to the Jews as false grace teachers claim so they can look impotant and sell mo books and buy big houses and jet airplanes.

 

[mailmandan]

Why did Jesus wait for the disciples to be filled with the Holy Spirit before they
started to write down the gospels. Because what Jesus was sharing only made
sense when the Kingdom had come, and the new covenant had been truly established.

Jesus could not say these things after the Holy Spirit had come because He was not
there and He needed the disciples to know it was His teaching for them now.

It is why this dispensational view is so wrong. Jesus is teaching eternal truths not
just stuff for a year or two prior to the cross. By that logic Jesus actually was teaching
nothing only Paul and the apostles had true spiritual authority and truth through the
Holy Spirit and God himself was not looking forward and teaching what He knew they
would understand later

You obviously don't know how to rightly divide the word of truth. IN ME is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) not in the body of Christ under the New Covenant which was not yet fully established (John 7:38,39). Period. *In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit).

 

[Rockrz]

IN ME is part of the metaphor

Not to Jesus... He meant literally IN HIM because He is speaking of those that will be born again:

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

 

[mailmandan]

You need to quit thinking what Jesus taught is a lie and/or does not apply to us today... cause it does buddy boy!

What Jesus taught was not a lie. You just failed to properly understand what Jesus was saying because you failed to rightly divide the word of truth.

Exactly... Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which was first proclaimed thru John the Baptist

PRIOR to the New Covenant being fully established.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Jesus was NOT teaching law to the Jews as false grace teachers claim so they can look impotant and sell mo books and buy big houses and jet airplanes.

The transition was not yet complete to the New Covenant (John 7:38-39). It's common for works-salvationists to use the term "false grace teachers" and slander genuine believers.

Speaking of Jesus, John also said, "He must increase, but I must decrease" (John 3:30). The Old Testament was nearing its end, but at the time John spoke, it was still in force. John's ministry prepared the way for Jesus, who was the Mediator of the New Covenant (Hebrews 9:15 and 12:24); and, therefore, John's ministry also prepared the way for the coming New Covenant. The juncture of the ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus was a significant time and was an important step toward the New Covenant. But so was the crossing of the Red Sea a significant time and important step toward the coming of the Old Covenant. But it was not the beginning of the Old Covenant, which was ratified with the blood of animals at Mount Sinai (Exodus 24:1-11). Neither was the juncture of the ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus the beginning of the New Covenant.

Hebrews 8:13 says the Old Covenant was "ready to vanish away". It did not vanish away immediately. Hebrews 9:15 - And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

 

[mailmandan]

Not to Jesus... He meant literally IN HIM because He is speaking of those that will be born again:

False. Literally IN HIM and produces NO fruit is an oxymoron. Faith without works is dead. For the umpteenth time, *In John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit).

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

The New Covenant was already fully established in Colossians 1:13, but not in John 7:38-39; 15:2.

 

[Rockrz]

You just failed to properly understand what Jesus was saying because you failed to rightly divide the word of truth.

You've been blinded by satanic pride. That's par for course when considering God's warnings concerning goings on in the end times.

PRIOR to the New Covenant being fully established.

None the less, Jesus did not teach law to the Jews... He taught the gospel of the kingdom, therefore His Word are in fact applicable to Christians today.

The transition was not yet complete to the New Covenant

None the less, Jesus did not teach law to the Jews... He taught the gospel of the kingdom, therefore His Word are in fact applicable to Christians today.

False.

True.

The New Covenant was already fully established in Colossians 1:13, but not in John 7:38-39; 15:2.

None the less, Jesus did not teach law to the Jews... He taught the gospel of the kingdom, therefore His Word are in fact applicable to Christians today.

It's always amazing to see those that claim to be followers of Jesus and yet deny Him teachings.

Matthew 7:24-27
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Yo house is falling and you don't even know!

 

[PeterJens]

Why are the gospels written? To speak to us believers.
Jesus is God, His words are eternal.

Our you accept Jesus is God, you have to listen to Him.

You have to listen to Him

You have to listen to Him

How is it believers will listen to preachers, sermons and not Christ yet believe they know God?

On the day of judgement Christ's words will be there and you will be judged by them.

Do you understand????? Judged by Christs words.

So do not think that your belief is safe unless you listen, yes listen, to Christ.

HE IS YOUR GOD. Listen to Him. Read Him, let His words soak into you.
He loves and calls you to eternity, not a nice sweet party like all the others you go to.

When a guy puts a gun to your head and says do you believe in Jesus, what will be your
response, well I like Him, but not sure what He meant. Bang. Know your God