gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[john832]

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

this is your first problem. There are MANY more then ten commandments.

Also. if we could even obey the ten, we would no longer have the need for Christ. Grace would cease to be needed, and we could by on works, and earn salvation.
evidently you believe this

Just a couple of thoughts here,

I believe that eternal life is the gift of God, 100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfect obedience to the Law would NEVER, EVER earn eternal life...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are given eternal life through the faith of Christ, not our own.

You say that if we could perfectly obey the Law we would not need Christ that we could earn salvation.

And you call me the legalist? I find that fascinating.

Secondly, if you don't believe in Law, I wonder how things are in your household. No rules, I'll bet the dinner table in the evenings is quite interesting.

 

[starfield]

Hi Wall,

Believers obey God's command that we believe in Jesus.

Hi Haz,

What exactly does it mean for believers to believe in Jesus? Does faith in Jesus bring any change in a Christian's life or does it just entail a mental recognition of His existence? I mean scripture states even demons believe, so what differentiates a Christian's belief from that of demons?

 

[haz]

Hi Haz,

What exactly does it mean for believers to believe in Jesus? Does faith in Jesus bring any change in a Christian's life or does it just entail a mental recognition of His existence? I mean scripture states even demons believe, so what differentiates a Christian's belief from that of demons?

In believing in Jesus we submit to God's righteousness. Therefore our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3, and through his sacrifice we have been sanctified (Heb 10:10), made holy (Rom 11:16), perfected (Heb 10:14), and righteous.

Demons and non-believers do not submit to His righteousness. Non-believers sometimes turn to righteousness by works of the law to be perfected by the flesh rather than submit to God's righteousness.

Rom 10:3
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Secondly, if you don't believe in Law, I wonder how things are in your household. No rules, I'll bet the dinner table in the evenings is quite interesting.

It's quite simple. Children and lawless people need law because they don't know any better, or don't care. As children get older they know their parents and what pleases them, and (hopefully) conduct themselves out of love and respect. It's a totally different paradigm.

 

[john832]

It's quite simple. Children and lawless people need law because they don't know any better, or don't care. As children get older they know their parents and what pleases them, and (hopefully) conduct themselves out of love and respect. It's a totally different paradigm.

Back to the beginning and the garden...

Two trees, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. Determining right and wrong for ourselves is not the Tree of Life. God reserves that prerogative for Himself. Our choice is which tree will will eat from.

So what pleases God?

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deu 28:10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
Deu 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Deu 28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
Deu 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

God seems to be obsessed with obedience to His Commandments, statutes and judgments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know, that we love the children of the God, when the God we may love and the commandments of him we may keep.
1Jn 5:3 This for is the love of the God, that the commandments of him we may keep; and the commandments of him burdensome not are,

In fact the description of the Saints are those who keep the Commandments...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

In fact...

Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Wonder what that great reward might be?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God tells us what is right and wrong, our choice is whether we will do it or not.

 

[nw2u]

I have no idea what conclusion you all came to. I enjoyed reading. I wanted to put my $0.01864(adjusted for inflation) opinion into the mix. I found a few things to consider in the bible. I tend to believe we as humans need some written guide to follow. I know there are many laws and I think that when you say Mosaic laws you are speaking of the ways to cleanse and eat, etc. I do believe the ten commandments are still valid, I just think Christ wanted us to focus on people, not the law. People are what his sacrifice was meant to save, not the law. God' word is to be followed. Sometimes it's easier to keep from focusing on keeping every jot and tittle of the law by having faith and focusing on the meaning behind them.


I believe Christ gave us the simplest answers possible to understand. Remember, He knew there would be Gentiles coming into the fold. They would not have the opportunity to know and practice the Mosaic laws. I believe what Christ said was a culmination of the important laws revealed in a practical sense for all. I believe that if we follow Christ's teachings, we will by faith(default) follow the most important laws and commandments. Remember, Christ did not come to save the law, but to save mankind. Not all men were scholarly, but still wanted salvation through Christ. Here are some passages I found that I believe support my premise. Please check them. I am not a learned man.

Matthew 23:23

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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Acts 15:5-11

[SUP]5[/SUP] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to commandthem to keep the law of Moses.
[SUP]6[/SUP] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
[SUP]7[/SUP] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[SUP]8[/SUP] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[SUP]9[/SUP] And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[SUP]10[/SUP] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11[/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 

[john832]

I have no idea what conclusion you all came to. I enjoyed reading. I wanted to put my $0.01864(adjusted for inflation) opinion into the mix. I found a few things to consider in the bible. I tend to believe we as humans need some written guide to follow. I know there are many laws and I think that when you say Mosaic laws you are speaking of the ways to cleanse and eat, etc. I do believe the ten commandments are still valid, I just think Christ wanted us to focus on people, not the law. People are what his sacrifice was meant to save, not the law. God' word is to be followed. Sometimes it's easier to keep from focusing on keeping every jot and tittle of the law by having faith and focusing on the meaning behind them.


I believe Christ gave us the simplest answers possible to understand. Remember, He knew there would be Gentiles coming into the fold. They would not have the opportunity to know and practice the Mosaic laws. I believe what Christ said was a culmination of the important laws revealed in a practical sense for all. I believe that if we follow Christ's teachings, we will by faith(default) follow the most important laws and commandments. Remember, Christ did not come to save the law, but to save mankind. Not all men were scholarly, but still wanted salvation through Christ. Here are some passages I found that I believe support my premise. Please check them. I am not a learned man.

Matthew 23:23

Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Matthew 23:23.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Acts 15:5-11

[SUP]5[/SUP] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to commandthem to keep the law of Moses.
[SUP]6[/SUP] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
[SUP]7[/SUP] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[SUP]8[/SUP] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[SUP]9[/SUP] And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[SUP]10[/SUP] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11[/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Very good insight.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ says that nothing has passed from the Law, yet we read about circumcision in Acts 15. How do we reconcile this?

There are Laws that pertained to the Aaronic Priesthood. The Temple and the Aaronic Priesthood are no longer in existence. Christ is our High Priest after the order of Melchisidec not Aaron. So those Laws ceremonial Laws, even though they are still inexistence, can no longer be practiced.

The Laws of sin sacrifices is still in existence and should be practiced. How? Each time we sin, we go to the Father through Christ and His perfect sacrifice is applied. There is no longer any need for the sacrificial laws (the schoolmaster) to teach us that Christ is coming and will give the perfect sacrifice, it is done. Do we now sacrifice animals? No.

The practical laws are still in force and should be obeyed. Example:

Deu 22:8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

So if you put a deck on the back of your house, you should put a handrail around it to protect others from falling. This Law is still in effect. Someone falls off your deck and get's hurt, God holds you responsible if you are negligient.

And there are the Ten Commandments. They are not only in force, but are applied in a spiritual sense today...

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Don't even view your brother with disdain. If you have a problem with your brother, go to him and try to work it out...

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It is our responsibility to try to solve problems amongst ourselves. This is the spiritual application of the sixth Commandment. It is much, much deeper than just refraining from murder.

God gave His Laws to man for man's good...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am trying to 'earn' nothing, I am simply trying to do what I see commanded in the Bible. Obedience does not earn salvation, but disobedience can earn quite the opposite...

you just contradicted yourself.. You say you can't earn it, but you can earn your way out of it.. Which is reality means you must earn it, because you have to work to be obedient, or not disobedient.. same thing.

in fact paul warns against this.. saying we are foolish if we think we are saved by the spirit, but must perfect that salvation in the flesh (in other words continued obedience, or not being disobedient, or works of religion)

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All are dead in sin, when we stand before God, not a one of us will be worthy of salvation for anything we did.

The gift is eternal life. the gift can not be taken back, otherwise it is not a gift. it was a downpayment for your good behavior.. is this the type of God you think he is??

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

so tell me, why are you trying to reject grace, and save yourself by not being disobedient?

or am I misinterpreting you?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Originally Posted by john832]

I am trying to 'earn' nothing, I am simply trying to do what I see commanded in the Bible. Obedience does not earn salvation, but disobedience can earn quite the opposite...

you just contradicted yourself.. You say you can't earn it, but you can earn your way out of it.. Which is reality means you must earn it, because you have to work to be obedient, or not disobedient.. same thing.

That's true. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, confusing. The Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

When one sins they go to the Father through Christ...

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Just as John tells us to...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And we receive grace. The unearned, undeserved pardon for transgressing the Law.

You seem to have a difficult time understanding the concept of Law, sin, grace and forgivness.

Oh, by the way Abba means Daddy. Not to be confused with the swedish singing group.

No, you seem to have a difficult time understanding what it means that we are no longer under law but grace.

Under law/. every time we sinned, something had to be done to allow forgiveness. Under grace, we have a God who forgives unconditionally. Who paid the price in full, who took it all and gave us eternal life before the foundation of the world. How can you explain these things? You can.t

Yes, Abba does mean daddie. When you sin against your dad, Do you expect to get kicked out of his family unless you come pleading for forgiveness? If your father was that way, shame on him.. God is not that way, He forgives us before we come, and this FAITH that we have knowing he forgives us, allows us to come to the throne of Grace and confess our sin, Knowing we will suffer the result of that sin, And God will chasten us as any loving father would do. But he will not kick us out of his family.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The issue is not that "doing" somehow EARNS salvation. Salvation is simply wrought via the dynamic of "working together with God."

lol.. God only asks for one thing. Faith. it is not of our works, lest any man should boast. Read your posts. look how much you boast of how much more you earn salvation that the rest of us do. Your boasting proves you have a false gospel. There is no "doing" period in salvation, As paul said, it is not by ANY works of righteousness which WE HAVE (or will) done, but through the washing and new birth of the HS.. why do you want to add to the work of God. is Christ's work insufficient?

Doing is not a result of salvation. Good fruit is a result of salvation. Doing is a result of godly sorrow working a genuine change of mind unto salvation.

Wrong again.

Scripture says a man not born of God can not do anything for God. A man Born again is given the power to DO the work of God. Jesus spoke of this, as did Paul and all the apostles. the reason we have the ability to do anything good is the power of God. period.. Stop trying to take credit for the work of God!

There must be doing BEFORE salvation can take place.

lol. then no one will be saved, Scripture says we can not do anything until we are born again that pleases God, we are his enemy, we are totally separated from him, we are dead to him. Even a non believer can appear good and do what is required by the law. But it does not please God, because they are doing it not for God, but for self.

If doing is a prerequisite, then it is of works, we have to prove ourselves. And we still would not prove anything, because we still would sin, even if we changed a few sin habits, we still would sin and be totally unworthy.

this is the part you do not Get.

Noah DID by building the Ark BEFORE the flood came.

Um, Noah was saved before the flood came. His salvation (faith) was proven by his work. If he was not saved, he would not have done it

The prodigal son DID by forsaking the pig pen in order to seek out his father BEFORE he was restored.

The prodigal son was the son before he left. The son when he left, and still the son when he came back. He never stopped being the son, all he did was lose blessings in his life from the father. He never stopped being the son..

This is not saying that one "saves themselves." NO!. It is simply stating that DOING is a condition mandated by God that must be present for God to author the salvation of someone. God is not the author the salvation of those who remain disobedient because they are in rejection of the implanted word which would save their souls.

You just contradicted yourself. If doing is a condition of salvation, then we are doing to earn salvation. You can't say you must do, and in the same breath say your not doing it to earn anything, you are contradicting yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

who said God saves those who reject the implanted word?

you just don't what that means.

He seems to think God does not know what a person will do after he gives them eternal life.. And then when the person continues in sin, God is suprised, and must now take his salvation back.

He not only does not know what sin is, He does not understand God either. God is not going to give someone something he knows they did not really trust in the first place. God knows everything about that person from birth to death when he gives them his gift..

Why do people want to make God a man?? Men get fooled because they do not know. God can not get fooled. ever!

 

[john832]

No, you seem to have a difficult time understanding what it means that we are no longer under law but grace.

Under law/. every time we sinned, something had to be done to allow forgiveness. Under grace, we have a God who forgives unconditionally. Who paid the price in full, who took it all and gave us eternal life before the foundation of the world. How can you explain these things? You can.t

Yes, Abba does mean daddie. When you sin against your dad, Do you expect to get kicked out of his family unless you come pleading for forgiveness? If your father was that way, shame on him.. God is not that way, He forgives us before we come, and this FAITH that we have knowing he forgives us, allows us to come to the throne of Grace and confess our sin, Knowing we will suffer the result of that sin, And God will chasten us as any loving father would do. But he will not kick us out of his family.

When I sin against my Dad, I realize I have done something He does not approve of and I seek His forgiveness. Why would God chasten us for doing things that dispelase Him if we are not under the Law? What in the world would displease Him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Revelation 22:14-21 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Verse 21. Is that the grace you say we (those who obey) don't understand? Read verse 14. See... we do understand

No joke

The joke is on them.

Those who truly have saving faith WILL do the commands. Those who do not have saving faith, although they may change some things on the outside, they will not do the commands..

We are saved by faith, This FAITH gives us not only salvation, but the power to do Gods commands..

The work prove were were saved. They do not make us saved! This is exactly what James was saying! And paul said in eph 2; 8 - 10. we (those who are saved by Grace through faith, not of works) are his workmanship (created by him) for Good works.

 

[JaumeJ]

I hope with my heart and soul that all the family in Yeshua realizes there is a big difference in ceremonial laws and statutes and the commandments of our Father.

If you do not, do not fret, for when we are not aware of our trespasses, they will not be held against us.

Yes, breaking the laws of good conduct within the framework of Love is still a sin. We have a High Priest Who lives forever who intercedes for us if we sin, but it is still sin.

Please do not be mislead by any who teach agains obeying the Father in Yeshua, and pray for them to be truly enlighteded by the Holy Spirit. Always in Yeshua, Jesus, amen........

Galatians 3:10-12 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So Haz, your telling me that someday you might stand before the Lord and say....save me Lord, im an illegalist, I did nothing you commanded me to do!

Good luck with that

No, we will stand in front of God and fall on our knees thanking God for saving a wretched soul such as us, we who are deserving of eternal judgment based on our lives.. thank you for coming and doing what we could not do, which is pay for our sin, so we could be set free from the penalty of sin.

You will be like those Jesus spoke of. Who cried out Lord but did we not do all these great commands in your name? And jesus will say, depart from me..

what separates you from me?

I am unworthy, because of my iniquity, I have been washed by the blood of Christ.
You are unworthy because of your iniquity, right now your trying to make yourself worthy by your works. And God will reject those works.. Because he does not know you.

 

[john832]

lol.. God only asks for one thing. Faith. it is not of our works, lest any man should boast. Read your posts. look how much you boast of how much more you earn salvation that the rest of us do. Your boasting proves you have a false gospel. There is no "doing" period in salvation, As paul said, it is not by ANY works of righteousness which WE HAVE (or will) done, but through the washing and new birth of the HS.. why do you want to add to the work of God. is Christ's work insufficient?

Well, it takes about one scripture to disprove this reasoning...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Salvation is conditional...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Even Paul thought it was important...

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Perhaps you could explain what this means?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Or this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Most count about 613. It's truly a full time job!!!

true, but as Christ says, all of them can be found in just two..

Love the lord, and your neighbor. If we do these things (outward focus) we will not break any of the 600 some odd laws.

if we look at self for anything, we will break 1 or more of the 600 plus laws.

which is why we cannot be perfect. We can not look outward 100% of the day 365 days a year. Any though which looks at self, and not at God or neighbor is sin, And we do it all the time, Anyone who denies this, is in denial himself (As John said in 1 John)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When I sin against my Dad, I realize I have done something He does not approve of and I seek His forgiveness. Why would God chasten us for doing things that dispelase Him if we are not under the Law? What in the world would displease Him?

You just don't get it. WE ARE UNDER LAW! It's called the law of faith. Obey it or die.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People have to remember that there are 3 steps in salvation.
1. Justification-Christ frees us from the penalty of sin.
2. Sanctification-Christ frees us from the power of sin
3. Glorification-Christ frees us from the affects of sin.

Justification happens when a person gives their life to Christ.
Sanctification is a continual process that continues till Christ returns.
Glorification happens when Christ returns and He gives us a new body free from any affects of sin.

this is all true. but we need to look at them.

Justification - Also called eternal life, is the eternal forgiveness of sin wrought by the blood of Christ, Who ever is justified, is saved forever.

Sanctification - Comes in two parts.

1. Positional - the act of God separating a sinful person from all non believers, and adopting them as his child.
2. Conditional - the continuing act of chrsitian growth., Varies from day to day, Have [progress, and may have relapse.. It is the state of our life at any given moment

Glorification - The time when out conditional sanctification matches our positional sanctification. It is here we recive our glorified bodies, and lose our sin nature.. it is here when we are free of sin.