gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[haz]

Faith and obedience were linked by Paul the Apostle in the beginning, middle and end of the Book of Romans. See Roman 1:5, Romans 10:16, Romans 16:26

The conditions for salvation include faith in the heart: "...and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." See Romans 10:9-10. I've never found that faith can be put into the human heart by the human will. Faith in the heart must get there some other way.

"...what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” - 1 Peter 4:7. Peter the Apostle sees a link between obedience and salvation.

James, the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, had something to say on the nature of saving faith:

"You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

Saving faith is not sterile and lifeless. It expresses itself in love and obedience.

As stated by John the Apostle who was eyewitness to the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ:

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: Whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

AMEN!

And that obedience that we Christians do is to believe in Jesus.

Our works that shows our faith is to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.

And Christians obey this commandment without spot, and blameless.
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing

This means never turn back to the law in any way, to determine righteousness. That is unbelief, disobeying His commandment.

 

[nl]

Haz, thanks for the response. I read your point of view but don't agree. In technical, theological terms, I looks like anti-nomianism or hyper-grace.

At the end, as we stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ... will Jesus back you up? Will Jesus back me up?

Jesus is pure but not I. I desire to be clothed in a white robe and have that hope for the future but don't consider that state to have been yet attained.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad. - 2 Corinthians 5:10

The people of the church at Laodicea may have all been baptized church members but they all did not have white raiment to wear. Jesus said to them:

I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that thou may be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that you may see. - Revelation 3:18

Not all in the churches are prepared to meet Jesus.

 

[haz]

Jesus is pure but not I. I desire to be clothed in a white robe and have that hope for the future but don't consider that state to have been yet attained.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad. - 2 Corinthians 5:10

Good = Believe in Jesus (as scripture commands)
Bad = Unbelief in Jesus (which includes those following doctrines of a lukewarm mix of grace + works of the law)

A Christian's life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20.
Hence in Christ we're holy (Rom 11:16), sanctified (Heb 10:10), perfected (Heb 10:14) and righteous.
This is our position in Christ because of his sacrifice.

The people of the church at Laodicea may have all been baptized church members but they all did not have white raiment to wear. Jesus said to them:

I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that thou may be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that you may see. - Revelation 3:18

Not all in the churches are prepared to meet Jesus.

True.
And the church at Laodicea was a lukewarm church that mixed grace with works of the law.

Grace and works of the law cannot be mixed.
Rom 11:6
if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

James 3:11 confirms this also.
Does a spring send forth fresh water (Grace/Love) and bitter (judgement/condemnation under the law) from the same opening?

 

[resurrection33]

Galatians 3:10-12 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 1 John 5:2 RSV

 

[homwardbound]

For by grace are ye saved through faith, and, that (FAITH!) not of ourselves, it is a FREE gift of God, that NO ONE should boast (of ) .

'Faith,' is the word in this verse that IS all-telling of just how 'reserved in heaven' our salvation really is. Faith in His laws made for Moses STILL are alive for us today to FOLLOW. Just because Christ died on the cross. after having showed us The Way on Earth, does not nullify the fact that faith in God breeds the HOPE of our salvation, AND, faith in God means faith in God's ways for us, much BEFORE just the death of Christ on the cross...

The laws of God were first put down not by Moses even. Oh, no! God Himself, FIRST, laid down the way things were going to be AND even AFTER , Christ's death men still TOIL by the sweat of their brow, women still give birth IN PAIN, and, Satan is STILL alive and well on planet Earth and will be until God puts an end to his vile ways . Faith ! So much said, isn't there, in that little tiny five-letter word that Cain trusted in by telling God 'my punishment is too great,' that Abraham trusted in, we all know THAT story, with Isaac, that Hannah trusted in God--even a promise made by her ('God , I will give you my child if my barrenness...')--and Samuel born, miraculously, and, that is just a smidgeon of the power of faith fruits out there in Scripture, that include , too, the power of our being saved , by grace, THROUGH FAITH

believe, see, recieve

 

[homwardbound]

I know that Blain. Ive known that from the beginning. We are saved by grace through faith. Not the works of the law. No one but Jesus has kept the law perfectly. It is a free gift. Now is this free gift given to the likes david Koresh {a believer}. Jim Jones {the Kool-Aid kid}. Hitler? Who wanted to be a priest in his early days. I think not. It is given to those who obey His voice.

Christ died for the sins of the whole world,yet not allhave recieved it in truth, becausae they sought after it by their own works either before they claimed belief or after, yet never really did believe, had wrong motive(s) in the way
Just as Hitlers, David corish's Jim jones"s. ther aremany as well that act the part of being saved, showing mighty great works and the only reward they recieve is from the people.
So hoping all to see, and me never saw, until I first decided to believe God, then I saw and thus I re4cived as all will if they just start with belief of God and ask God for God's Mercy given to all at the cross
Believe, see, recieve

 

[homwardbound]

Who has heard voice?

GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, AND UNTO THY SEED, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

Honest Abe heard Gods "voice" and so he kept His commandments

JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Also Gods sheep hear His “voice”.

DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God. [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Cant do a song and dance around above scripture. It is truly Gods 10 commandments

HEBREWS 3 [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; [15] While it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS, AS IN THE PROVOCATION. [16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came OUT OF EGYPT by Moses. [17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, WHOSE CARCASES FELL IN THE WILDERNESS? [18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? [19] So we see that THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.

Scripture above (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - those that believed not - destroyed them)
Scripture below (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - polluted HIS SABBATHS - destroyed them)

EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, and brought them INTO THE WILDERNESS. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS THEY GREATLY POLLUTED: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM.

There was no law in placeat the time of Abraham, not for 430 years later, and the promise to Abraham was by Faith, not by works even though works followed and proof of Faith, (trust) in God. Abraham put nothing before God even Issaac, trusting God. and even in the New Testament before Law was filled by Christ, he showed all of us our inability to get toFather through the Law stating if your hand causes you to sin cut it off or your foot cut it off better for part of us to enter heaven than all of us to go to hell. The disciples even asked after watching the rich man walk away not giving up his worldly riches, sad, they asked Christ how is it possible for any of us to go to heaven? And Chjrist said
[h=3]Matthew 19:16-26[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Rich and the Kingdom of God[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, [SUP]19 [/SUP]honor your father and mother,’[SUP][a][/SUP] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP]”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

 

[homwardbound]

'Faith' is our schoolmaster now. By grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH.

No, crossnoted, the only words I see needing CAPS are: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid;l yea, we establish the law."

Faith. Faith. Faith. I had this discussion with you and e.g. before, I guess, we need to have it again . The Lord leads


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We are by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross transferred from death to life in the Spirit of God, no longer in need of the Law to show us our old flesh man that could never obey from a flesh point of view not 100%, but can do well maybe even obey all Laws as that rich man did, but couldn't give up his riches, being at that time under Law before the cross in Matt 19. But today after the cross we walk in the power of God's Spirit being born again by the resurrected Christ, dead to sinful flesh and alive in the Spirit of God
[h=3]Galatians 5:16-23[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions [SUP]21 [/SUP]and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

The above is not of self it is of the Spirit of God and us submitting to wanting God to do in us what we can't do in self. So since you are apparently under the schoolmaster you not yet have seen being complete in Christ, on your way definately. So have you put your complete dependance on Christ. Do you see that he took away all sin at the death? Not in the worlds sight, therefore not in most peoples sight because of seeing sin all around us.
I am talking from God the Father's sight, not this world's
So this is why God has said for us to renew our minds and start to see from God's sight not the worlds.
Believe, see, recieve

 

[homwardbound]

Yeah, if that was the point I was trying to make. There is therefore no condemnation once in Christ. But "the many" claim there in the faith of Christ having never gone to the schoolmaster. Tried to take a short cut I suppose. But even if you were under the schoolmaster and have come to true faith in Christ.

ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, whichshall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31]DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish thelaw.

What is established is that the Law is good yet every time it flows through this unredeemed flesh I die as Paul talks about in romans 7and says straight out the he , (this includes all human flesh) serves the law of sin and death with the flesh, and since he does not wish to sin, it is no longer him that does it, it is sin that is in the flesh. And that he (us all) included serve God with the hidden man of our heart.
So tell me which way to you want to serve by trying to keep the law with yuor unredeemed flesh or follow God by the hidden man of yuor new heart, the Holy Ghost?
The Battle is flesh vrs Spirit of God
As Gal 5:16 -22 so well point out. Tell walking (truting God) in God's resurrected Spirit by the Cross will one ever sin while in this state? So I know where I want to always be, forsahing the flesh nature dying daily ot it and being alive to God
Since we have all been forgiven (reconciled) to God by the death of his Son Christ, how much more willwe be saved by his resuirrected life here and now?
Romans 5:10For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

 

[homwardbound]

7But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[SUP]a[/SUP] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. Philipians 3: 7-11 . Hmm, why do I feel so much like having a slurpee now, I'm sooo thirsty suddenly

Why is it that 'faith' is so misunderstood in Scripture? It is the power of God unto faith worked through us that saves us, it's so plain Ephesians 2: 8, I just don't see how more plain our salvation, put in real terms OF FAITH could possibly be. Yes, His grace saves us, but, it's THROUGH FAITH, that is not of ourselves, that is a free gift, that is something we should NEVER boast about, which, ahem, boys and girls, includes judging others, and, most certainly, to a greater degreee, faith in Him, which gains Him, will NOT be gained if you stand to condemn others, not that you are now, that's good, but, just saying, it's most important we keep 'faith' in true perspective, and, there is no such thing in Scripture as 'true faith' either, while I got you here, it is just PLAIN faith ! WE ALL have been given a 'measure of faith,' this is a measured amount, by the way, ahhh, I am exhausted from talking so long in this sentence, Ima gonna go get me a slurpee

So plase let us be careful not to mix Law and Grace. the two do not mix just as oil and water don't naturally. one can stir it up vigorously and it appear to mix and possibly fool the very elect, but God will tellus the truth and it is up to us to listen, knowing it is by Faith in God that we are saved period, works should follow afterwards, but what if they don't
Galatians 2:16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Either before or after works is not the way and if it was after one believes and does not do the works that would make God a liar, and God does not lie, man does, God does not
So either we beelive God at God's word or we don't and go and stumble as a lot do, and I did for a long time as well
Romans 3:27[ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith
Romans 9:32Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
Believe God, see, recieve the new life he came to give us here and now
John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

 

[homwardbound]

How can you say that you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ if you don't love and obey Him?

First as I see what Scripture says we can't love as God does without seeing
1 John 4:19We love Him because He first loved us.
Believe, see, recieve

 

[homwardbound]

Ive heard from time to time here that faith and law don't mix.

HEBREWS 11 [28] THROUGH FAITH HE KEPT THE PASSOVER, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

Isnt the Passover part of the law?

The Blood on the door post was a shadow of the Christ to come juist as the law was as well and water Babtism all shadows of what was to come and today has past tense been done,
[h=3]Hebrews 1[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]God’s Supreme Revelation[/h]1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2 [/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; [SUP]3 [/SUP]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [SUP]4 [/SUP]having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

[h=3]Hebrews 10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Animal Sacrifices Insufficient[/h]10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

 

[crossnote]

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 1 John 5:2 RSV

True, as long as we see love as a 'fruit' of the spirit and not a 'work' of the flesh.

 

[homwardbound]

If we were not to observe to keep the law we couldn't be as filthy rags nor have fallen short in keeping Gods law

The Law was put in place to show us all our inability to keepit whole perfect, it shows us our need for Christ. this was put in place 430 years later after the promise of Fatih was promised to Abraham by God, God has kept God's word. Even all those that died without the law
[h=3]Romans 2:17-29[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Jews Guilty as the Gentiles[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]Indeed[SUP][a][/SUP] you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,”[SUP][b][/SUP] as it is written.
[h=3]Circumcision of No Avail[/h][SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; [SUP]29 [/SUP]but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

 

[homwardbound]

You're getting hung up on the TRUE meaning of these words, crossnoted, I think.
And, there is nowhere in Scripture that speaks of 'true faith,' so why do you ? It is just 'faith.'

I think true Faith is when one has
Romans 8:9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Romans 8:11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you

Saved here and now by the resurrected life of Christ, in reception of the Holy Ghost been born again by this gift of God.
believe, see, recieve

 

[resurrection33]

True, as long as we see love as a 'fruit' of the spirit and not a 'work' of the flesh.

Love does take some effort.

 

[homwardbound]

The law and faith should not be two seperate ways of faith. The true faith ones self should be in accordance in both the law and faith. They are as I said two sides of the same coin. We follow the law because we love him. I do not understand how people cannot accept this. We live a life pleasing to God by following his statues and loving and seeking him with all our hearts.
If we seek his heart above all else, all other things will fall into place. he show us the meaning of scripture, he will give us a humble and loving heart. He will teach you to love all others like he does. Jesus came to fulfill the law yes? now how do you fulfill the law? By acting them out, he gave us all an example to follow as he did not break a single commandment and constantly taught to obey them.

by following the Hoply Ghost in our born agian Spirits were wrong can occur at all food for thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you all

 

[crossnote]

Love does take some effort.

So love is not a fruit OF THE SPIRIT, but our own efforts?

 

[homwardbound]

AMEN!

And that obedience that we Christians do is to believe in Jesus.

Our works that shows our faith is to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.

And Christians obey this commandment without spot, and blameless.
1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing

This means never turn back to the law in any way, to determine righteousness. That is unbelief, disobeying His commandment.

ans so since I believe, I see, and recieved from God as all do if thet will believe, they will see the finished work at the cross and thus recieve the new life in God, knowingly, and be so busy praising God for this, by no works of their own, there will be no time for any sin. As I have said walking in the Spirit of God sin can't take place until one gets decieved into trying to stop sin, then when one tries to stop it, one might be able to see waht Paul was talking about in Romans7
And here too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
It matters not if one wants to quit or not, thinking of sin, plainly after awhile produces sin, just as the verse states above

 

[nl]

By suppressing law, sin is promoted. Paul in Romans 7:7: I had not known sin except by the law.

Sin brings:
* Dishonor to God
* False Gods
* Desecration of God's Name
* Desecration to God's Day
* Dishonor to parents
* Violence and harm
* Unfaithfulness and adultery
* Theft
* Dishonesty
* Covetousness

Sin exists not only in the externals but also in the heart.

Sin brings sorrow. Sin brings suffering. Sin separates from God.

"The law is good, if a man use it lawfully...The law is ...for...the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons..."

Christian's can use the law for self-examination and reminders to repentance which are good to practice even daily.

Law continues to serve a purpose. Unbelief is sin. Many do not believe. Many sin. Christians can grieve away the Holy Spirit. Sin separates us from God. We need more of God's presence and not less.