Galatian Conundrums

[Absolutely]

the above is absurd and full of excuses and manipulation

what do we have?

we have : if this was a resonable discussion THEN I would have said it was all about lifestyles

I am reasonable and you are not. I already told you that WIKI says that ALL Messianics actually also follow the law and we all know that wiki is the only reasonable place to go for information on current culture and religion

I posted scriptures that were so final and authoritative, because I posted them, that the rest of you should have shut the hee haw up

you are naive and lack historical reference and I know that because you did not agree with me


that is the actual response the op gives to the scripture he says I did not post...but I referenced it 3 times and finally he comes back with the above gobble de gook. first he denied I ever posted scripture then when it is plain I did, after 3 times posting about and finally reposting the scripture with my comments, he begrudgingly admits I did post it by denying it means anything

just how big is this ego we are dealing with here?

it's all about him.

it is not about Jesus and certainly not about the Bible

nope

it's about WIKI, his authority and false accusations

yet, we find this in the book of Acts and you do not have to read very far:

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth Acts 1:8

those are the words of Christ as recorded by Luke, indicating Jesus told the JEWISH disciples they would be witnesses TO Jesus or OF Jesus (in our vernacular) to the uttermost part of the earth.

this alone disproves the 2 gospel dance routine but the op and several others deny this and continue to falsely proclaim two gospels

you might as well just deny Jesus and get it over with

and for the record, I am not directly responding to the op because his smarmy, condescending responses are indicative of a very dismissive person who thinks so highly of himself that he will ignore or post ad hominum responses, hoping to draw people into a personal fight rather than deal with the actual scritpure he is presented with

I wrote the above to further draw attention to the deception and disingenuous nature with the op has been contrived

"you might as well just deny Jesus and get it over with"

Too funny,along with the hee haw comment

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

the problem is many THINK they are following God. when they really are not.

The jews had this major issue, thinking they followed the God of Abraham, when they were in reality not following him.

We have the same issue today, People can quote scripture all day long, but they really (like the jews) do not understand the scripture they post.

True. SO how do we know? We check ourselves against His words. If it does not match then something is wrong. However a prominent point in this topic seems to be that Jesus words are no more and useless. WIth this I strongly disagree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True. SO how do we know? We check ourselves against His words. If it does not match then something is wrong. However a prominent point in this topic seems to be that Jesus words are no more and useless. WIth this I strongly disagree.

the problem with this is if we misinterpret his word (like the pharisees did) we will think we are living by his word, yet we are no more living by the word than the pharisees did

so their must be another test.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

the problem with this is if we misinterpret his word (like the pharisees did) we will think we are living by his word, yet we are no more living by the word than the pharisees did

so their must be another test.

Bottom line anything Biblical can be misunderstood not matter what it is. If one really submits to His holy Spirit it will lead to understanding. SO if we want to use the "misinterpret" thing, there is no doctrine, walk, view etc that is exemplt from this label. With that said there is a true understanding, but you know as well as I do that is in the eye of the beholder in each persons mind. Everyone thinks their view is right. There are 30,000+ denomanations that all teach differently and yet every one of them says they are "led by the holy Spirit"

Jesus words, teachings, deeds, etc are our baseline IMO.

John
10:9
10:16
15:5-16

2 John 1:9-11

Mat 7:24-27

John 13:35

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Bottom line anything Biblical can be misunderstood not matter what it is. If one really submits to His holy Spirit it will lead to understanding.

But many people say this, and claim they do, yet have skewed doctrines. So it would seem this is not enough.

SO if we want to use the "misinterpret" thing, there is no doctrine, walk, view etc that is exemplt from this label. With that said there is a true understanding, but you know as well as I do that is in the eye of the beholder in each persons mind. Everyone thinks their view is right. There are 30,000+ denomanations that all teach differently and yet every one of them says they are "led by the holy Spirit"

Jesus words, teachings, deeds, etc are our baseline IMO.

John
10:9
10:16
15:5-16

2 John 1:9-11

Mat 7:24-27

John 13:35

Yes, But what makes you thin, or anyone else think, they are 100% correct in interpreting what Jesus said?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Have you realized perhaps an easier explanation is that Peter, who spent about 40 days with the post resurrected Christ, whom taught them everything pertaining the Kingdom of God (Acts 1:3), understood Matt 28:19-20 very differently from how you would understand it in the English language?

As I have stated to 7seas elsewhere in this thread:

One point I would like to raise where the Bible translates the Greek into this term "all nations". May I suggest that the meaning is not exactly the same when we understood it in English.

Let me give you an example from Luke 2:1 KJV

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Young's version goes

And it came to pass in those days, there went forth a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world be enrolled

I am presenting a view that when we read "all the nations" in the Matthew version of the GC, it may not mean exactly what we think it means in the English. It could point towards "all the known Jews in the Roman Empire".

Of course, you could be correct, I am not denying that possibility. I am saying there could be another possible explanation, that every Jew at that time have a different idea from you about what preaching to "all nations" really meant.

please do not include me in your conversations

I can't be bothered to continue to refute your ultra 'feet don't touch the ground when you walk' treasury of scripture mashups

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Also I want to say, none of us are perfect and we are all seeking truth, not knowing all, but continually seeking. In my walk I have learned more and more why God said what He did about Jesus through Moses (Deut 18:18-19) and Peter (Acts 3:22-23), and why Jesus Himself said:

John 14:6, "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

His worksm His way, His teachings, His guidance. Him. Never let anyone trick you into not following the One and only Shepherd.

some of us ARE closer to perfection than others

that's logic

 

[7seasrekeyed]

"you might as well just deny Jesus and get it over with"

Too funny,along with the hee haw comment

well you know the dude was asked who Jesus is to him and he never replied

t r o l l i n g

yeah I like the hee haw myself

 

[RickStudies]

please do not include me in your conversations

I can't be bothered to continue to refute your ultra 'feet don't touch the ground when you walk' treasury of scripture mashups

Right, that`s why you wasted 8 hours posting libel about me yesterday.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

and here's another just because...apply where needed

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Right, that`s why you wasted 8 hours posting libel about me yesterday.

honey

I figure no one could outpost you when it comes to libel

it's a wonder your face is not on a collection of false biblical statements cards...the heresy hunter edition

did you loose yr glasses? that comment was not directed at you lol!

 

[RickStudies]

honey

I figure no one could outpost you when it comes to libel

it's a wonder your face is not on a collection of false biblical statements cards...the heresy hunter edition

did you loose yr glasses? that comment was not directed at you lol!

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Good luck with that.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Right, that`s why you wasted 8 hours posting libel about me yesterday.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Good luck with that.

LOL!...so you count on luck? I certainly do not. I count on Jesus and what HE says

frankly, refuting your false doctrine is a good way to spend a few minutes. Paul says your preaching is accursed because of your false doctrine of 2 gospels. take it up with him

and oh look at this!

You are ignoring content by this member.

bye bye

 

[RickStudies]

LOL!...so you count on luck? I certainly do not. I count on Jesus and what HE says

How typical in the context of the way I used the expression, it means to wish you advantage and success.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

But many people say this, and claim they do, yet have skewed doctrines. So it would seem this is not enough.



Yes, But what makes you thin, or anyone else think, they are 100% correct in interpreting what Jesus said?

TO me it's about really seeking the true word, for example some verses were added 100s of years later, and if there is a verses that goes against ones doctrine, rather than ignoring it studying it out to see what it really means. Again on those with His SPirit are really led by Him.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

some of us ARE closer to perfection than others

that's logic

LOL, that was funny. Well my main goal is to do the will of God. If I can do that then whereever I am oterwise is ok with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

TO me it's about really seeking the true word, for example some verses were added 100s of years later, and if there is a verses that goes against ones doctrine, rather than ignoring it studying it out to see what it really means. Again on those with His SPirit are really led by Him.

Yet people use the same bibl and can not agree what it means

It still has to be deeper

 

[Guojing]

please do not include me in your conversations

I can't be bothered to continue to refute your ultra 'feet don't touch the ground when you walk' treasury of scripture mashups

I am not including you, you won’t get any notification anyway, just putting some context in this Long discussion thread

 

[Guojing]

Your deal is shaky.
Peter had many failures.
If you base your beliefs on mans infallibility you will end up not believing in anything.

Peter had the revelation that Jesus was the messiah. Then peter denied him.

Does that mean he never had the revelation?

You are on EXTREMELY shaky ground jumping to unprovable conclusions.
Your doctrine is built on unknowns.

You are never going to agree with this I know. That is fine.

We had Long discussions about this in previous threads where you kept raising the same objections even though I have already answered them.

 

[Guojing]

So even though I showed in the word it's gentiles in the greek still no? OK.

We don't know everything they did and the book of Acts is a short period of time, it does not detail their entire lives.

Also, and I say this respectfully, no you are not going to convince me that they were only supposed to preach to Jews when the word clearly says differently;

Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."

Matthew 28:19-20, " 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations (1484. ethnos), baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

1484. ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)

As I have already stated, if peter understood as you did, he would not have reacted the way he did in acts 10. You are ignoring that point and sticking to your stand.

Thus Your interpretation of the great commission in Matt does not make sense in context.

You don’t see it? That is fine. People rarely change their minds over internet discussions with strangers anyway 😇