Gay & Lesbian inclusivity in the Church

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Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

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MessageOfTheCross said:
Should openly gay, lesbian, and transgender's be allowed to join the Church? What is your biblical views on this topic?
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And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31)

No repentance = no salvation = no membership.
 
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Yama

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YES IT IS 2018 MY LORD, JUST BECAUSE SOME DESERT TRIBE AT ONE POINT WHERE HOMOPHOBIC DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO BE NOW.
Nehemiah6 said:
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31)

No repentance = no salvation = no membership.
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Sounds dumb.
 
Nehemiah6

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Yama said:
YES IT IS 2018 MY LORD, JUST BECAUSE SOME DESERT TRIBE AT ONE POINT WHERE HOMOPHOBIC DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO BE NOW.
Sounds dumb.
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Well if you can call Scripture dumb, then perhaps you yourself need to repent and be converted.
 
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Yama

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Nehemiah6 said:
Well if you can call Scripture dumb, then perhaps you yourself need to repent and be converted.
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I am not calling 'scripture dumb' I am calling the belief that the views and opinions of unknown authors and long gone cultures are somehow relevant to how we treat people in 2018 dumb.
 
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Yama

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Scripture teaches that sodomites are vile reprobates
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Does that mean you too have to have a low opinion of other people for something that isn't your business, 'scripture' also teaches that wearing two-types of fabrics is a no-go, shell fish are not kosher and picking up sticks on the Sabbath is worthy of death...Like, this was all written within a particular time and context. It's the most kindergarten view of things to read it and say "well it says X so it must be how it is" ...
 
1ofthem

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I don't agree with the lifestyle at all, but yes, they should be allowed to attend church. As long as they aren't doing things like hugging, holding hands, kissing and whatever during service, and as long as they can listen to truth without interrupting...then why shouldn't they be allowed to attend church? Where else are they going to hear the word of God?

I'm not saying puff 'em up and tell them that it's ok to live that lifestyle, but preach the true word of God to them!
 
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Does that mean you too have to have a low opinion of other people for something that isn't your business, 'scripture' also teaches that wearing two-types of fabrics is a no-go, shell fish are not kosher and picking up sticks on the Sabbath is worthy of death...Like, this was all written within a particular time and context. It's the most kindergarten view of things to read it and say "well it says X so it must be how it is" ...
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Sorry but that's not the same thing at all.... None of that other stuff is included in the New Testament....but being gay is still talked about in the NT...just saying.
 
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1ofthem said:
Sorry but that's not the same thing at all.... None of that other stuff is included in the New Testament....but being gay is still talked about in the NT...just saying.
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Yeah, but by who though, Jesus doesn't mention it - only Paul and those versus in which it is mentioned are widely considered later interpolations (particularly in Romans). Otherwise it only appears in 1 Timothy to which the consensus view among NT scholars is that Paul did not write that letter and it's origin is sometime in the mid 2nd century. And, in Corinthians. But again, written by a dude nearly 2000 years ago, with a particular view and understanding of the world far less than what we have now. Why would you think it wise to take it on face value and use that as a model for including/excluding people from social participation?? Again, seems really. REALLY. dumb.
 
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Does that mean you too have to have a low opinion of other people for something that isn't your business, 'scripture' also teaches that wearing two-types of fabrics is a no-go, shell fish are not kosher and picking up sticks on the Sabbath is worthy of death...Like, this was all written within a particular time and context. It's the most kindergarten view of things to read it and say "well it says X so it must be how it is" ...
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A little bit of knowledge and lack of understanding can be a dangerous thing. :(
 
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The question was addressing ‘openly’ ...
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So many people have answered this question so PERFECTLY, I could not do any better... But this is like asking, in all seriousness, alcohol is legal and debatable in the church, so should we have open bar in church?
 
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Yama said:
Does that mean you too have to have a low opinion of other people for something that isn't your business, 'scripture' also teaches that wearing two-types of fabrics is a no-go, shell fish are not kosher and picking up sticks on the Sabbath is worthy of death...Like, this was all written within a particular time and context. It's the most kindergarten view of things to read it and say "well it says X so it must be how it is" ...
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If we love the Lord we do NOT toss out His word based on that we want to mix fabrics, use eating clean food as a reminder to keep our mind's input clean, and not honoring the Sabbath is so serious it causes death.

In 1 Corinthians 5:1 to 13 we are told what to do with people who are sexually immoral. They are to be removed from among you.
 
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Yeah, but by who though, Jesus doesn't mention it - only Paul and those versus in which it is mentioned are widely considered later interpolations (particularly in Romans). Otherwise it only appears in 1 Timothy to which the consensus view among NT scholars is that Paul did not write that letter and it's origin is sometime in the mid 2nd century. And, in Corinthians. But again, written by a dude nearly 2000 years ago, with a particular view and understanding of the world far less than what we have now. Why would you think it wise to take it on face value and use that as a model for including/excluding people from social participation?? Again, seems really. REALLY. dumb.
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Sorry but the sexual sins talked about in the NT are still sexual sins they do not change over time. Being gay is a sin. Committing fornication and adultery is also a sin. Now that doesn't change over time just because the world is getting wicker and wicker doesn't mean that we just accept it as the new norm. Sin is still sin no matter how many years passes by....just saying.

And if you will read my first post here, I didn't saying anything about not allowing them to attend the church. I said preach them the truth...If they don't want to hear the truth, then they will probably leave on their own... just saying.
 
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Jesus Calls Levi (Matthew)

13 Then Jesus went out to the lakeshore again and taught the crowds that were coming to him. 14 As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at his tax collector’s booth. “Follow me and be My Disciple,” Jesus said to him. So Levi got up and followed Him.

15 Later, Levi invited Jesus and His Disciples to his home as dinner guests, along with many tax collectors and other disreputable sinners. (There were many people of this kind among Jesus’ followers.) 16 But when the teachers of religious law who were Pharisees[b] saw Him eating with tax collectors and other sinners, they asked His Disciples, “Why does He eat with such scum?[c]”

17 When Jesus heard this, He told them, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor—sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners.” Mark 2 NLT

The Apostle Paul said,

"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [b]homosexuals, nor [c]sodomites,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [d]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor. 6 NKJV
 
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Certainly would be a misuse of the Lord's house. Let's start with the basics... judgement starts in the house of the Lord. Now...all haved sinned and have come short....confessing and repenting is required. Allowing to be washed by Jesus is a must or you can have no part in him. So tell me would they come to just see the show?
I'm not talking only about gays or the likes.
 
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pottersclay said:
Certainly would be a misuse of the Lord's house. Let's start with the basics... judgement starts in the house of the Lord. Now...all haved sinned and have come short....confessing and repenting is required. Allowing to be washed by Jesus is a must or you can have no part in him. So tell me would they come to just see the show?
I'm not talking only about gays or the likes.
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“44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which has sent Me draw him (the idea is that all initiative toward Salvation is on the part of God toward the sinner and not from the sinner himself; without this “drawing of the Father,” which is done by the Holy Spirit, no one could come to God, or even have any desire to come to God): and I will raise him up at the last day (for the third time in this Chapter alone, Jesus addresses the Resurrection).”

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The Expositor's Study Bible
Jimmy Swaggart
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-expositors-study-bible/id399697870?mt=11
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MessageOfTheCross said:
“44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which has sent Me draw him (the idea is that all initiative toward Salvation is on the part of God toward the sinner and not from the sinner himself; without this “drawing of the Father,” which is done by the Holy Spirit, no one could come to God, or even have any desire to come to God): and I will raise him up at the last day (for the third time in this Chapter alone, Jesus addresses the Resurrection).”

Excerpt From
The Expositor's Study Bible
Jimmy Swaggart
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-expositors-study-bible/id399697870?mt=11
This material may be protected by copyright.
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MessageOfTheCross said:
“44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which has sent Me draw him (the idea is that all initiative toward Salvation is on the part of God toward the sinner and not from the sinner himself; without this “drawing of the Father,” which is done by the Holy Spirit, no one could come to God, or even have any desire to come to God): and I will raise him up at the last day (for the third time in this Chapter alone, Jesus addresses the Resurrection).”

Excerpt From
The Expositor's Study Bible
Jimmy Swaggart
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-expositors-study-bible/id399697870?mt=11
This material may be protected by copyright.
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My point is very few people receive Christ in church. It's been my experience to witness many coming to salvation from the outreach of the church. Bible studies, evangelism, street preaching, one on one witnessing.
There are some but not as many.
I think the reason for that is a comfort zone in which we all have.
That is why Jesus sent the first 12 and us out. The Lord will meet you right where you are.....as you are.
We as saints have come to know the church as a meeting and greeting place but more importantly to come together and worship our father...our God.
Outsiders don't know what takes place......few find it comfortable,
 
Blik

Blik

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pottersclay said:
My point is very few people receive Christ in church. It's been my experience to witness many coming to salvation from the outreach of the church. Bible studies, evangelism, street preaching, one on one witnessing.
There are some but not as many.
I think the reason for that is a comfort zone in which we all have.
That is why Jesus sent the first 12 and us out. The Lord will meet you right where you are.....as you are.
We as saints have come to know the church as a meeting and greeting place but more importantly to come together and worship our father...our God.
Outsiders don't know what takes place......few find it comfortable,
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The church as God tells us it is to be is NO place for evangelism. It is a gathering of people who love the Lord.

If the church let nothing but God's word be its guide it would be attractive enough to make people want to be part of it. You can't have denominations not agreeing, or churches accepting sexual immorality of their members and keep a joy filled, worshipping church.
 
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