Gay & Lesbian inclusivity in the Church
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Your question is a bit odd, because you state that the homosexual is "openly gay" but that you are not speaking about gay marriage. So are you saying they are living a promiscuous lifestyle, and are open about it? Or, are you saying that they are open about the reality of their attractions, whilst not acting upon them? Much like a person who is battling alcoholism, but resists the temptation. Admitting a weakness but not pursuing it.
If it is the latter, welcome to Christendom. If it is the former, is it not an act of proud rebellion? How does a Christian, genuine and true, rejoice in darkness, boast in it and seek validation? Has the Lord not given us the inclination towards righteousness, the grace that sets us free? What Christian proudly bares his sins, but rather are they not ashamed, seeking deliverance?
Know that a true child of God is chastised, and sanctified, and that if one were to repent, believe the Gospel, that God would set them free. They don't have to live a homosexual lifestyle, and the Lord will give them the escape as temptation presents itself.
If it is the latter, welcome to Christendom. If it is the former, is it not an act of proud rebellion? How does a Christian, genuine and true, rejoice in darkness, boast in it and seek validation? Has the Lord not given us the inclination towards righteousness, the grace that sets us free? What Christian proudly bares his sins, but rather are they not ashamed, seeking deliverance?
Know that a true child of God is chastised, and sanctified, and that if one were to repent, believe the Gospel, that God would set them free. They don't have to live a homosexual lifestyle, and the Lord will give them the escape as temptation presents itself.
One point to consider in the word 'openly' . . . it's pretty hard to hide a person's perversion. If a man approaches me and starts to speak with a pronounced lisp and he is using effeminate gestures . . . my gaydar needle blasts all the way to the right. If that person entered a church . . . the men would be within their rights to show him the door.
And honestly, I don't care whose feathers are ruffled by that response. My job is to protect my family and I intend to do so.
And honestly, I don't care whose feathers are ruffled by that response. My job is to protect my family and I intend to do so.
Open fornicator, coveter, gay, drunkard... or not open...The thing to considers is if that person is not claiming to be a Christian not trying to put their input into the service or anything like that and is there to just listen to the word of God are we supposed to kick them out. I mean really....I'm seriously asking here?
Open about it or not...If you catch someone out getting drunk, or hear someone say I hate my car...I want his....Are you going to kick them out if they claim to be Christians???
And what if they don't claim to be Christians. What if the drunkard is coming to try and get help and not claiming to be a Christian or saved...Should we just kick him out or preach the word to him?
And what if they don't claim to be Christians. What if the drunkard is coming to try and get help and not claiming to be a Christian or saved...Should we just kick him out or preach the word to him?
It is the experience of many a preacher that some folks are not there at all to 'listen' to a message, but are there to take notes that he can use to expose something that can be used to discredit the work of God. Under 0bama's administration, there were 'plants' in churches that used recorders to get something that the government could use to go after them. Thank God that we have been give at least a four year reprieve -- but if Jesus tarries His coming, the churches are going to suffer great persecution.
In Canada it is already 'illegal' to preach a message where homosexuality is called a 'sin.'
I choose to err on the side of caution. If the person is serious, he will contact the preacher one on one and deal with the issue of his being lost. Otherwise, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
In Canada it is already 'illegal' to preach a message where homosexuality is called a 'sin.'
I choose to err on the side of caution. If the person is serious, he will contact the preacher one on one and deal with the issue of his being lost. Otherwise, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
We can't judge everybody by what they might be doing or we might just turn someone away that the Lord was drawing there. If you don't see them taking notes and they ain't causing no problems and appear to be listening to the word of God then I say so what, let them take notes. They might actually hear the word of God and learn something...
What are y'all afraid of the government will shut your Church building down...well then fine, shut the door and do like the disciples did and go from house to house. The Church ain't just about the building and the cushy pews and all that is it?
What are y'all afraid of the government will shut your Church building down...well then fine, shut the door and do like the disciples did and go from house to house. The Church ain't just about the building and the cushy pews and all that is it?
Isn't it God that would lead them to do so? Maybe they will realize their sin and repent and be saved. Yes, they should be allowed in the congregation. They should not be allowed to be a member of the staff in the church while still active in their sins.
And they certainly should not be married in the church.
And they certainly should not be married in the church.
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If you mean in the congregation of believers, that is not permissible by authority of the Word. That would simply lead to spiritual confusion.
1 CORINTHIANS 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 CORINTHIANS 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
That is false teaching manipulating scriptures to further the point.
We know that the lost do not come to Christ unless the Father calls them. That's in the word.
If a gay or transperson comes to church they're there knowing well enough what the faith teaches against their sin. Woe to the one that would block the door from their entry. For that one should be removed from the congregation as a wolf barring the way to salvation and seeking to renounce what God ordained in his calling those sinners to hear the word.
None of those scriptures you abuse support refusing gays and trans from entering a church. If one thinks that is God-like then they must stand guard against ALL SINNERS seeking entry. Because God hates sin. That means everyone not redeemed would be barred if your kind of teaching were allowed in church.
We know that the lost do not come to Christ unless the Father calls them. That's in the word.
If a gay or transperson comes to church they're there knowing well enough what the faith teaches against their sin. Woe to the one that would block the door from their entry. For that one should be removed from the congregation as a wolf barring the way to salvation and seeking to renounce what God ordained in his calling those sinners to hear the word.
None of those scriptures you abuse support refusing gays and trans from entering a church. If one thinks that is God-like then they must stand guard against ALL SINNERS seeking entry. Because God hates sin. That means everyone not redeemed would be barred if your kind of teaching were allowed in church.
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As the Scripture teaches, if it were a one time act and they repent, then they are not to be put out of the assembly. The whole teaching is concerning those who are committing these acts and are unrepentant.
The non-believer committing these acts are just fulfilling their job description. We need to preach the gospel unto them and not be condemning.
The non-believer committing these acts are just fulfilling their job description. We need to preach the gospel unto them and not be condemning.
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