Gay/LGBT "Christian" Singers

[elizabethlear]

Hi Elizabeth,

So sorry to hear about your brother.

All I can say is that I loved my brother first and foremost and because of that, even though he disagreed, but with me showing him scriptures and explaining why it's wrong, he was able to hear truth and know what God says about sin. And he'll know that anytime in the future if he wants to repent.

And he knows he can come to me any time he wants. He told me out of all our siblings which are many, I'm the only one who really is nice to him. I'm glad he said that because that means he sees Jesus in me and it also makes me think that he may feel more comfortable to come to me again in the future.

Your brother needs to hear the truth from those he loves. He may never hear it if you don't tell him.

Even if he may get angry at first, he'll see that you said it because you love him. And if he rejects you, it's not you he's really rejecting, it's Jesus and His righteousness. A person can be in church and never hear a word about the truth because many kids zone it out.

But if you speak directly to him, he will hear and listen. And sometimes things don't always register right then, but they think about what you've said later.

But first of all pray for God to give you courage to speak to your brother. He knows you love him, right?

One thing I'd suggest is that you allow him to read the passages of scripture that talks about the good news of the gospel and what it means for God's love to send His Son to die on our behalf so that we could receive forgiveness of sin and eternal life in Him.

It will be different for you, but how it happened with my brother is that we were sitting talking about life and then I told him about my new life in Christ. After discussing that it got to where he asked some questions as to why his lifestyle was wrong. That's where we used the old and new testament scriptures about homosexuality.

I would like to suggest that you be prepared. Know the scriptures ahead of time that you want to share with him. Pray and ask God to help you and most of all, let your brother know your love for him and that you want to see him have a full life of all that is good that's of God and that you don't want to see him end up in hell and that you want to share eternal life with him in heaven.

Since you said you go to church, you could make an appt to see your pastor or maybe an elder of your church. Or a youth minister if you have one. Whomever you feel comfortable with to talk to them about this serious issue.

You don't have to say it's your brother, just say that someone you know is in a bisexual relationship and ask him for help on how to approach talking to this person.

I will pray for you to have the courage. I don't know how old you are, but God even uses very young children to bring others the truth. One of my children at about 5 years old asked a person at the store if they new Jesus.

Thank you for the advice. I think that being prepared is what I lack in this and why I haven't said much to him about it yet. I found out 2 months ago. I think that maybe if I talk to him now, he won't be willing to change, but as you said he may think about it later and it may just be that little seed planted that eventually leads to change.

I'm almost 21 so I'm older than him but fairly close in age which I think helps.

Thanks again for the advice!

 

[Angela_grace]

I think the problem or the difference between homosexuality and other sins is that the world is defining it as something good and right. Other things, such as liars, murderers, adulterers, drug addicts, these are seen and defined as bad by the rest of the world. So we as Christians have to be more firm in our stance against homosexuality. I guess a homosexual could be a christian, but he would have to admit that he is living a sinful life, and give his life over to God. It would also not be something he is proud of. If a worship leader is homosexual id say we have a problem. Just as a drunkard, adulterer (even someone who is just always prideful) shouldn't be given that position and that responsibilty neither should a homosexual. Also, to me if the church is already giving and allowing him that position it means they see nothing wrong with his lifestyle.

 

[Jimbone]

Christians are people who ask for forgiveness from God because Jesus died for them.

It is not their sexual orientation, their sin, or their background that makes or doesn't make a Christian .

So they are not "Christians" they are Christians. Whether you think it's a sin or not. Being gay, even if not right in your eyes does not exclude anyone from being a Christian

So are you saying that a reborn believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit can live a homosexual lifestyle and engage in homosexual sex regularly? If that is what you're suggesting I am sorry but you are wrong on this. I am not saying a Christian can't struggle with homosexual desire, that gay people can't be saved, or that we shouldn't love them, but if you are saying you can live a gay lifestyle and be a Christian, a true Christian that has been regenerated by the power of God, I'm sorry but you're wrong.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

So are you saying that a reborn believer indwelt by the Holy Spirit can live a homosexual lifestyle and engage in homosexual sex regularly? If that is what you're suggesting I am sorry but you are wrong on this. I am not saying a Christian can't struggle with homosexual desire, that gay people can't be saved, or that we shouldn't love them, but if you are saying you can live a gay lifestyle and be a Christian, a true Christian that has been regenerated by the power of God, I'm sorry but you're wrong.

You obviously have to know it's wrong, just like a liar has to know lying is wrong and repent. But like you said, a Christian can struggle with homosexual desire

 

[joyfullyhis]

Christians are people who ask for forgiveness from God because Jesus died for them.

Don't Christians have to FORSAKE SIN.
It is not their sexual orientation, their sin, or their background that makes or doesn't make a Christian .

So they are not "Christians" they are Christians. Whether you think it's a sin or not. Being gay, even if not right in your eyes does not exclude anyone from being a Christian

Christians are people who ask for forgiveness

Forgiveness removes guilt. BUT what should the offender do CHANGE. What would the Apostle Paul say this thread if he were alive today. He would say the thing he told the Corinthians

1 Corinthians 6:9


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

The gay life style is a sin just like the others that are underlined. If God condemns them it only goes to show that LGBT/Gay is condemned too. We cannot pick and choose which command we want to obey. John. 8.44 states that Satan is a liar. This movement and its agenda comes from the pit of hell. Regardless of what age we live in whatever is wrong will always be wrong. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. Let God's word be true though every man be a liar. Romans 3.4
Forgiveness and repentance goes hand in hand. A person's life must be turned around. This is the theme throughout the bible.
God says TURN from your evil ways and return to him.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Christians are people who ask for forgiveness

Forgiveness removes guilt. BUT what should the offender do CHANGE. What would the Apostle Paul say this thread if he were alive today. He would say the thing he told the Corinthians
1 Corinthians 6:9


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

The gay life style is a sin just like the others that are underlined. If God condemns them it only goes to show that LGBT/Gay is condemned too. We cannot pick and choose which command we want to obey. John. 8.44 states that Satan is a liar. This movement and its agenda comes from the pit of hell. Regardless of what age we live in whatever is wrong will always be wrong. A wolf in sheep's clothing is still a wolf. Let God's word be true though every man be a liar. Romans 3.4

I agree
(Why did you change my quote?)

 

[Grace777x70]

Can a Christian live a life that has outbursts of anger from time to time and still be a Christian?

Can a Christian eat themselves to the point where they get sick ( which is a form of lasciviousness - without restraint ) and die and still be a Christian?

Can a Christian be full of malice towards someone else and slander them all the time and still be a Christian?

Can a Christian have envy when they see someone with a happy life and still be a Christian?

Can a Christian cause strife and division from time to time and still be a Christian?

We could go through every one of the works of the flesh and ask the very same question. We Christians love to categorize the sins that "we don't do" as being really evil but the reality is - they all bring death to us in this life.

These are all in the same lists as works of the flesh. All of which bring destruction to all of us in some form or other. All of these things are deadly and are sinning by missing the mark of not participating in God's quality of life. I don't advocate any works of the flesh.

What is the answer? To preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and to teach them how to walk by the spirit so that they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Once the proper foundation in Christ has been laid - then it should be the people in the local assembly that are in authority and that are "spiritual" to go to these that are still walking by the flesh and address them appropriately being led by the Holy spirit.

Some may have to be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. ( how this is done - I have no clue but I'm sure it will be revealed to those that are in real authority put in the local church by the Holy Spirit.)

 

[Jimbone]

Okay, I will say that being proud of it does make it worse, I can see that. I just don't think that automatically doesn't make them Christians

You know it is not fair to really debate this until I am clear on one thing. What do you think makes one a Christian? I am sorry I made that first comment without asking this to try to understand exactly where you are coming from first. I also didn't see your age either, not that it matters much as far as what you can and can't understand, but just as far as my "tone" goes, and how I approach and word the conversation with you. (If you even want to discuss it with a man my age)

 

[Depleted]

Than why don't we believe God will deliver homosexuals?....

He does! But it's like any addiction. Some he delivers and some have to fight it every day. After a while, it's less of a fight, but how many times have we seen addicts -- any addict -- relapse?

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

You know it is not fair to really debate this until I am clear on one thing. What do you think makes one a Christian? I am sorry I made that first comment without asking this to try to understand exactly where you are coming from first. I also didn't see your age either, not that it matters much as far as what you can and can't understand, but just as far as my "tone" goes, and how I approach and word the conversation with you. (If you even want to discuss it with a man my age)

A Christian is someone who believes in the trinity, Father, son and the Holy Spirit, believes what the new and old testament say, and confess Jesus as their savior.

 

[Depleted]

when you say cruising, I guess you may mean looking for on purpose?

nothing like that will come up unless you search for it

just this morning I was looking for some nice ocean pics for my desktop and not one picture of gay Christians came up

just sayin'

Do NOT try the same thing with "teddy bears." (Honest. It's a homosexual thing too, so the pictures can be disturbing anyway. Who'da thought "teddy bears" could be a bad thing? )

 

[kaylagrl]

I have a brother who's homosexual. I grieve for him. I've had contestations with him; I've had the bible out showing him scriptures. That was years ago. We've had email conversations. But He believes he's a Christian. He's not.

And I still love him and would be there for him at the drop of a hat. I would love for him to see the truth and give his life over to the Lord.

I'm sensitive to these types of threads because SOME do act like this is the worst sin ever to commit. And it's not. Liars are lumped in with those who will not inherit the kingdom of God along with the homosexual.

So what do we do? We preach what the word says. If you continue in a sinful lifestyle it's proof that your not a child of GOd.


So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:12-14

See the contrast here? The one lives according to the flesh will die. But the one living by the Spirit will continue to put to death the deeds of the flesh. These only are the sons of God.

Yes,I have a very close friend who is now transgender. Its a little harder because he was a Christian and then we found out he had been hiding that he was taking hormones and planning to become female. I still think the world of him,love him like a brother. But he's deluding himself that he can be both transgender and a Christian. We love people,but we cant say sin is ok.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Do NOT try the same thing with "teddy bears." (Honest. It's a homosexual thing too, so the pictures can be disturbing anyway. Who'da thought "teddy bears" could be a bad thing? )

Lol! XD
.............

 

[Stephen63]

These posts have made their points very clearly that continued, unrepentant sin is the wrong that is the issue, not actually the gay issue.

If persistent arguing continues from this poster, I would ask the others to please ignore her & not allow continual arguing to overthrow this thread. I for one would like to find out more about the subject of the Op.

Thank you in advance.

I have a regret for posting this.

With years of experience in CC, I saw what would happen. It always does.

What I regret is that I didn't post it two hours later, so that everyone would see it in a different light.

 

[Depleted]

Exactly. I just think Christians take a wrong approach at it. I have a friend who used to be a porn addict and I have seen many threads started for those that are aa dedicated to porn and everyone says prayers for them and encourages them to keep fighting. And that is great! That is how we should battle sin, with encouragement for others, but when it comes to being gay others bi or whatever else there is it is acted upon as the only wrong in the world and "you'll never be saved because your gay" or something is wrong with you because you have this sin.

I just think we should stop attacking it and try to encourage and fight through it like we do every other sin

We all know the only sin that we can't be saved from is being a Patriots or Cowboys fan.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

I have a regret for posting this.

With years of experience in CC, I saw what would happen. It always does.

What I regret is that I didn't post it two hours later, so that everyone would see it in a different light.

(Facepalm) I'm not even gonna try to respond to that cuz I know full well I will not keep my cool lol

 

[Jimbone]

Can a Christian live a life that has outbursts of anger from time to time and still be a Christian? Can a Christian eat themselves to the point where they get sick and die and still be a Christian? Can a Christian be full of malice towards someone else and slander them all the time and still be a Christian?

Can a Christian have envy when they see someone with a happy life and still be a Christian? Can a Christian cause strife and division from time to time and still be a Christian?

These are all in the same lists as works of the flesh. All of which bring destruction to all of us in some form or other. All of these things are deadly and are sinning by missing the mark of not participating in God's quality of life. I don't advocate any works of the flesh.

What is the answer? To preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and to teach them how to walk by the spirit so that they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Once the proper foundation in Christ has been laid - then it should be the people in the local assembly that are in authority and that are "spiritual" to go to these that are still walking by the flesh and address them appropriately being led by the Holy spirit.

Some may have to be turned over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. ( how this is done - I have no clue but I'm sure it will be revealed to those that are in real authority put in the local church by the Holy Spirit.)

Really? you are equating living a homosexual lifestyle like it is okay with God while He indwells you with getting angry? Man G777 I know you're a nice guy and can't ever say anything that might offend ANYONE, besides Christians that didn't agree with your views, but your a bit too far with this one. Yes a homosexual can be saved, and God loves us all, but even when Paul is addressing this in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, he even says "such were some of you." That suggest very strongly to me that once His Spirit dwells in you the whole active homosexual lifestyle is over, the same way my addiction to porn was broken by His power overnight. I really think we have to disagree on this one man, to suggest His Spirit will allow such things in a vessel He inhabits is dead wrong in my opinion and experience, and understanding of whats written. It's what He says not what YOU think.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

We all know the only sin that we can't be saved from is being a Patriots or Cowboys fan.

LOL my volleyball coach likes the Cowboys

 

[Depleted]

First of all, I am a whopping 5'4" xD
But I don't understand why a sin being more publicized makes it a worse sin.

I agree with you. I'm named after two aunts, and one aunt's nickname was Shorty. She was about 4'11", so you're way too tall to be Shorty... PeeWee. (Dad was PeeWee until he reached 5'6". lol)

 

[sevenseas]

Do NOT try the same thing with "teddy bears." (Honest. It's a homosexual thing too, so the pictures can be disturbing anyway. Who'da thought "teddy bears" could be a bad thing? )

which only goes to prove the truth of Romans 1

it ain't the teddies that are depraved

if you do a search for 'teddies' you might also get lingerie haha