Gay/LGBT "Christian" Singers

[elizabethlear]

[video=youtube;nwfn1jnA_GA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfn1jnA_GA[/video]

There are several reasons I felt this needed to be brought back. It's only been a few years ago that Ray Boltz came out of the closet, confessing he fought with homosexuality for years, & finally just gave up. He was rejected & blacklisted.

Now, there's some that openly confess it with no repercussions at all.

I think it's important to see how it was ostracized a few years ago, but now it's accepted by many.

The church is rapidly changing, & everyone needs to see it as it is.

I posted a link to a video earlier (post #98) where a gay Christian musician was being praised for it. Granted it was on the show "The View," so of course they were praising him.

I think that the church is changing because so many Christians are afraid of not fitting in or being hated especially now that Christians are becoming a minority in the US. If I tell most people my age that I think that being gay was wrong and that it requires repentance, I am looked at as close minded and MY morality is questioned.

The church slowly changes so that a lot of Christians (who are usually lukewarm) don't really notice, and all of the sudden the church has done a 180.

The church is changing and it's only going to get worse by the looks of things (the way my generation is conforming to the world.)

 

[Grace777x70]

The trouble with this philosophy is that it contradicts the philosophy of Jesus, Paul, the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews, James, Peter, and John who all demonstrated in their teaching that teaching against sin is an essential part of the Christian message.

The problem with this statement is that it is not true. I have posted many times I am against all sinning but I will do it again so that there can be no deceit nor continued mis-representation of what is really being said.

Quote:

Personally I am vehemently against all forms of sinning as they all bring destruction of some sort to us while on this earth - especially the one of unbelief in Christ's finished work on the cross.

I don't see any difference in sinning by living a homosexual lifestyle to having malice, bitterness, being deceitful and the slandering of others in the body of Christ. Both, as well as all the works of the flesh bring about death to us in this life.

Here is my view on sin and it's affects on us and on how the Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory ( goodness ) of our Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

Sin changes our perspective on things and causes us to not look at our Father in the right light of who He truly is. ( The same as Adam and Eve did when they hid from Him even though He was still coming to visit with them and He still took care of them )

Sin also affects our ability to have harmonious relationships with others and it also distorts our view of others as well as ourselves. Sin is deceitful.


We chose to live holy lives because we are just being who we truly are in Christ - not to maintain right standing with God. This living good holy lives creates right relationships with people, it will not give our enemy an influence in our lives and it is a good witness to the world.

It reveals the true heart of our loving Father and Lord to show others in this hurt and dying world their love and grace towards them.


Your true identity is not defined by your struggles, mistakes, or sinful actions. These are all confined to the flesh and are the works of the flesh as Paul said. Who you are is defined by your new birth in Christ. You are who you are by His grace and life in you!

Behavioral issues are usually the result of trying to live under the law in some form - such as the false doctrine of "sinless perfection in the flesh".

It is all self-righteousness and denies the righteousness of God in Christ. The law is the strength of sin. The law was brought in so that sin would increase and show that we need a Savior!

Once you understand you are completely accepted and sin free forever in Jesus in your inner man created in righteousness and holiness - and that this is your permanent state for all eternity in Christ - the behavioral issues will fall off of our lives like dead leaves.

The "sap" of His life in and through us transforms us outwardly by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory ( goodness ) of the Lord Jesus as in a mirror. We see all the goodness that He has already done for us and we also see ourselves in Him as one spirit with the Lord. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

I maintain that the preaching and teaching of the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ brings true righteousness which is His alone and there will be deeds of His life manifested in us if we are fed Christ Himself and His righteousness to us.

He has cleansed our hearts by faith and now we are to walk from this new heart in Christ.

As we have received Him - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6. It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done.

 

[Stephen63]

I want to thank everyone so far who contributed, especially those who used scripture.

Does anyone know any new news on those in christian music/praise & worship that are gay/LGBT? I don't keep up with it, & I'm sure some of the others would like to know as well.

 

[Jimbone]

Well yes, of course there is more than that. And I would've put it but I didn't know how to explain so I decided not to sound like a babling idiot trying to explain it lol

Well that's good, and I hope you can see and you understand that my view is not based on hate, insecurity, or anything like that. Honestly to sum it all up into a sentence (I would say "so I'm not babbling like an idiot too, but it way to late in life for that), I just know a Christian has the almighty Creator of everything inside them, homosexual sex is a sin, God not only will not, but cannot live in sin, thus will change that vessel (us) to be inhabitable for His Spirit. That sums up why I don't think there can be a gay Christian. Anyway I thank you for talking with me and hearing me out. I pray God bless you all your days. I know I wasn't seeking or discussing Christ at 15, and it does my heart good to see those that do. Have a very blessed day.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

It is truly a struggle to not conform with this world but as Christians we are called to be different. It isn't meant to be easy but the rewards are everlasting. When temptation beckons we must fix our eyes on the saviour. As for the church...there are "churches" and then there are churches but ultimately we do not look at the church for guidance - we look to God and His Word.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is an article stating that Hillsong is against gay marriage and they are against it and say it is a sin.

It is always a good thing to go to the horse's mouth to see "exactly what did happen".

Brian Houston is the senor pastor of Hillsong International our of Australia.

Quote:

Brian Houston writes:

"I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has 'an openly gay couple directing a choir' at our New York City campus. Hillsong's position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture.

As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well.

It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

Houston adds that gay worshippers cannot "take an active leadership role."

I also live by my own convictions, and hold to traditional Christian thought on gay lifestyles and gay marriage. I do believe God's word is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. The writings of the apostle Paul in scripture on the subject of homosexuality are also clear, as I have mentioned in previous public statements.

"Hillsong Church welcomes ALL people but does not affirm all lifestyles. Put clearly, we do not affirm a gay lifestyle and because of this we do not knowingly have actively gay people in positions of leadership, either paid or unpaid.

I recognise this one statement alone is upsetting to people on both sides of this discussion, which points to the complexity of the issue for churches all over the world."

Unquote:

Hillsong's Brian Houston 'Corrects' Report That 'Openly Gay Couple' Leads NYC Church Choir, Insists Stance on Homosexuality 'Absolutely' Has Not Changed
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[preacher4truth]

Hi everyone..... I was cruising the net & found some videos showing gay/lgbt singers & worship leaders.

I understand this is the BDF, & would encourage others to give their biblical opinions on this issue, as well as names, sites, & videos of christian singers you know that fall into this category.

Thank you in advance for your contributions.

They are unrepentant if still in their sinful state and practice. This is why the Holy Spirit said through Paul:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. -- 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 

[sevenseas]

Here is an article stating that Hillsong is against gay marriage and they are against it and say it is a sin.

It is always a good thing to go to the horse's mouth to see "exactly what did happen".

Brian Houston is the senor pastor of Hillsong International our of Australia.

Quote:

Brian Houston writes:

"I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has 'an openly gay couple directing a choir' at our New York City campus. Hillsong's position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture.

As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject. Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well.

It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

Houston adds that gay worshippers cannot "take an active leadership role."

I also live by my own convictions, and hold to traditional Christian thought on gay lifestyles and gay marriage. I do believe God's word is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. The writings of the apostle Paul in scripture on the subject of homosexuality are also clear, as I have mentioned in previous public statements.

"Hillsong Church welcomes ALL people but does not affirm all lifestyles. Put clearly, we do not affirm a gay lifestyle and because of this we do not knowingly have actively gay people in positions of leadership, either paid or unpaid.

I recognise this one statement alone is upsetting to people on both sides of this discussion, which points to the complexity of the issue for churches all over the world."

Unquote:

Hillsong's Brian Houston 'Corrects' Report That 'Openly Gay Couple' Leads NYC Church Choir, Insists Stance on Homosexuality 'Absolutely' Has Not Changed
​

exactly

homosexuality is a sin but it seems that gossip is a normal part of church life

this is an old old story and it is not true at all

thing is, how many 'active' church members are or have been in the closet. they are just getting freer is all due to the 'rights' of homosexuals being promoted and the Bible being watered down by many

there have always been homosexuals in church. they are just waving a flag now

 

[oldethennew]

especially for those who would rather lie than tell the truth, (lying spirit) it's especially
easy in these last days, seems more 'convienent' easy to LIE, even about the smallest things
than tell the Truth...such as age/location etc...

 

[Stephen63]

I posted a link to a video earlier (post #98) where a gay Christian musician was being praised for it. Granted it was on the show "The View," so of course they were praising him.

I think that the church is changing because so many Christians are afraid of not fitting in or being hated especially now that Christians are becoming a minority in the US. If I tell most people my age that I think that being gay was wrong and that it requires repentance, I am looked at as close minded and MY morality is questioned.

The church slowly changes so that a lot of Christians (who are usually lukewarm) don't really notice, and all of the sudden the church has done a 180.

The church is changing and it's only going to get worse by the looks of things (the way my generation is conforming to the world.)

I'm so sorry I missed your post, thx for reminding me!
I've watched it & mannnn..... how they try to conjur up this impression that the church is antiquated & wrong!

This is exactly what others in here have already said..... they're not repenting, they're blaming God's church for not accepting their outright rebellion.
[video=youtube;i3o82zU9O-Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o82zU9O-Y[/video]

This is what I'm talkin' about! Nice post, elizabethlear!

 

[Grace777x70]

exactly

homosexuality is a sin but it seems that gossip is a normal part of church life

this is an old old story and it is not true at all

thing is, how many 'active' church members are or have been in the closet. they are just getting freer is all due to the 'rights' of homosexuals being promoted and the Bible being watered down by many

there have always been homosexuals in church. they are just waving a flag now

I wonder why there are no heretic hunter websites dedicated to "gossipers in the church"...or youtube vides depicting those filled with malice towards others in the body of Christ that are "worship leaders"? These are all sinning and works of the flesh too.

Homosexuals that say it is ok to be a worship leader in the church are no different then some pastors who have malice and slander others in the body of Christ. Both of them are living according to the works of the flesh.

All the works of the flesh are destructive and only by teaching how to walk by the spirit will believers have the proper nutrients to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Religion always gets the gospel backwards...they say "Stop doing the works of the flesh and we will be walking by the spirit." This is the complete opposite of the truth that is in Christ.

 

[oldethennew]

point made!

 

[Meggido]

And we are living a continued sin of lying. We sin everyday and I can assure you there is a repeated sin in everyone's life everyday. We all buy into the temptation.
Not allowing someone into the kingdom of God off of your own judgement is also against the word.

I'm against being gay, but sinning, no matter what sin does not make or break a Christian

Its not off your own judgement it is what the word of God says:

1 Corinthians 6.9New International Version
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

New Living Translation
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

English Standard Version
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

Berean Study Bible
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts,

Berean Literal Bible
Or do you not know that the unrighteous ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

New American Standard Bible
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

King James Bible
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality,

International Standard Version
You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

NET Bible
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,

New Heart English Bible
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who have sexual relations with men,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Or do you not know that evil men do not inherit The Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; no fornicators, neither worshipers of idols, neither adulterers, neither sexual molesters, neither males lying down with males,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,

New American Standard 1977
Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Jubilee Bible 2000
Know ye not that the unjust shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals

King James 2000 Bible
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

American King James Version
Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

American Standard Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,

Darby Bible Translation
Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,

English Revised Version
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

Webster's Bible Translation
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Weymouth New Testament
Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,

World English Bible
Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

Young's Literal Translation
have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,

 

[sevenseas]

I wonder why there are no heretic hunter websites dedicated to "gossipers in the church"...or youtube vides depicting those filled with malice towards others in the body of Christ that are "worship leaders"? These are all sinning and works of the flesh too.

Homosexuals that say it is ok to be a worship leader in the church are no different then some pastors who have malice and slander others in the body of Christ. Both of them are living according to the works of the flesh.

All the works of the flesh are destructive and only by teaching how to walk by the spirit will believers have the proper nutrients to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Religion always gets the gospel backwards...they say "Stop doing the works of the flesh and we will be walking by the spirit." This is the complete opposite of the truth that is in Christ.

why are there no heretic hunter websites dedicated to gossipers in the church you ask?

that would be because we all have most likely done it at one time or another. starting at a young age if one was present and accounted for in church (although it might be said that some videos supposedly depicting the sins of others are actually evidence of malice etc in the creators of said videos...although some are truthful and there are wolves out there)

God will take us to task on that though, because GOSSIP is MURDER . it kills people just as efficiently as a gun or knife in the hands of a murderer

doesn't the NT say something about the tiny tongue being the biggest offender? setting the whole world on fire and all that?

homosexuality is still in the lime light. wait till they find the devil worshippers in their midst masquerading as believers

what a hoot that will be

as you say, all the works of the flesh are destructive but if we focus on them, then we don't have to get down and serious with ourselves about our nasty thoughts, things we say or how we are quick to point out someone else's sin to make ourselves look better

all our righteousness is as filthy rags to God but He sent His Son to dress us in righteousness that is unattainable no matter how 'good' we fancy ourselves

don't get me started LOL!

 

[oldethennew]

good post...

yes, Christ definitely asks/demands, that we take a very serious LOOK at OURSELVES,
in HIS mirror and He makes us define who and what and why we are who we are and what we are doing
in our or His world...takes a lot of 'guts and pain' to seek/acknowledge the Truth...

 

[Jimbone]

I wonder why there are no heretic hunter websites dedicated to "gossipers in the church"...or youtube vides depicting those filled with malice towards others in the body of Christ that are "worship leaders"? These are all sinning and works of the flesh too.

Homosexuals that say it is ok to be a worship leader in the church are no different then some pastors who have malice and slander others in the body of Christ. Both of them are living according to the works of the flesh.

All the works of the flesh are destructive and only by teaching how to walk by the spirit will believers have the proper nutrients to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

Religion always gets the gospel backwards...they say "Stop doing the works of the flesh and we will be walking by the spirit." This is the complete opposite of the truth that is in Christ.

What I'm wondering is how that justifies the sin of homosexuality in any way? You're just so soft you can't tell anyone they are wrong, again EXCEPT Christians, man that is getting a bit suspicious, if you don't like discussing these things then why come here to read and comment? What not start a "sing kumbaya together" thread and stop judging Christians for standing on His word. All this argument does is point the finger somewhere else and not deal with the issue we were discussing. If you want to talk about gossip in the church then make a thread about it, but this on is about whether there can be a practicing homosexual Christian, and how saying it's okay can mislead people. If I say that homosexuality is a sin, and you answer "but people gossip all the time" it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I said. What was your point again? Remember this OP was about Homosexuality not gossip.

 

[notuptome]

I posted a link to a video earlier (post #98) where a gay Christian musician was being praised for it. Granted it was on the show "The View," so of course they were praising him.

I think that the church is changing because so many Christians are afraid of not fitting in or being hated especially now that Christians are becoming a minority in the US. If I tell most people my age that I think that being gay was wrong and that it requires repentance, I am looked at as close minded and MY morality is questioned.

The church slowly changes so that a lot of Christians (who are usually lukewarm) don't really notice, and all of the sudden the church has done a 180.

The church is changing and it's only going to get worse by the looks of things (the way my generation is conforming to the world.)

This is evidence of the falling away that signals the end of the age of grace. The church is falling away and it's only going to go faster and faster.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[sevenseas]

What I'm wondering is how that justifies the sin of homosexuality in any way? You're just so soft you can't tell anyone they are wrong, again EXCEPT Christians, man that is getting a bit suspicious, if you don't like discussing these things then why come here to read and comment? What not start a "sing kumbaya together" thread and stop judging Christians for standing on His word. All this argument does is point the finger somewhere else and not deal with the issue we were discussing. If you want to talk about gossip in the church then make a thread about it, but this on is about whether there can be a practicing homosexual Christian, and how saying it's okay can mislead people. If I say that homosexuality is a sin, and you answer "but people gossip all the time" it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I said. What was your point again? Remember this OP was about Homosexuality not gossip.

oh baloney

as I was exchanging some posts with him regarding this, let me respond just a minute

he was not saying that all and I have NEVER seen him say anything positive about sin

frankly, I agree with all the heresy hunter stuff . there are some abject people out there for sure and I have posted about some of them right here...Bentley being one glaring example in particular

there is nothing in his post to say he is justifying any sin, let alone homosexualtiy

what gives?

as far as gossip goes? that should be preached on, written about and spoken about until Jesus comes back cause that has killed more people than homosexuality

you know, Jesus can 'cure' a homo, but it seems Christian gossipers always have an excuse for this glaring and very wicked sin

and don't take this personally. I think you are basically someone I agree with, but I'm just in the mood to state my mind

who knows

could happen again some time

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I was going to say something --- but someone already said it :

Christians are people who ask for forgiveness from God because Jesus died for them.

It is not their sexual orientation, their sin, or their background that makes or doesn't make a Christian .

So they are not "Christians" they are Christians. Whether you think it's a sin or not. Being gay, even if not right in your eyes does not exclude anyone from being a Christian

 

[oldethennew]

HEB. 4:12.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.