Gay/LGBT "Christian" Singers

[Grace777x70]

What I'm wondering is how that justifies the sin of homosexuality in any way? You're just so soft you can't tell anyone they are wrong, again EXCEPT Christians, man that is getting a bit suspicious, if you don't like discussing these things then why come here to read and comment? What not start a "sing kumbaya together" thread and stop judging Christians for standing on His word. All this argument does is point the finger somewhere else and not deal with the issue we were discussing. If you want to talk about gossip in the church then make a thread about it, but this on is about whether there can be a practicing homosexual Christian, and how saying it's okay can mislead people. If I say that homosexuality is a sin, and you answer "but people gossip all the time" it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I said. What was your point again? Remember this OP was about Homosexuality not gossip.

What you said here is not what happened. I was answering sevenseas post - not yours my friend.

If I say that homosexuality is a sin, and you answer "but people gossip all the time" it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I said.


You obviously have me wrong Jimbone as I say that homosexuality is definitely a sin just like malice and envy and slandering of others in the body of Christ as well as everything else on the works of the flesh.

Here is a quote of mine when asked about this sinning.

Quote:

Personally I don't support gay marriage. I have 2 friends of mine that got "married"...they were not Christian to my knowledge altho one was an altar boy in a Catholic church...what ever that means in real life.

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

For the "believers" that say it's ok to lead a gay lifestyle I would say that they have a "confused" identity and I would teach them the gospel as well. It's obvious by what they are doing that they don't know what happened to them when they came to Christ. I think the elders in their lives need to sit down with them and teach them the grace of Christ and in some cases to reprove them in this error.

This needs to be done under the direction of the Holy Spirit as He knows exactly what to do with each person individually. Sometimes people are caught up in sin and don't know how to address it and thus out of frustration they make "excuses" for it because of all their confusion.

These need to be taught the truth of who they are in Christ - others may need to be " delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh"...this needs to be done by a "spiritual elder"...and seems to be a very rare case in the N.T.

The true grace of the gospel of Christ "teaches" us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live godly in this present age. The final answer to me is to preach Jesus to them.

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Unquote:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...n-christian-pro-gay-marriage.html#post2437144

 

[Meggido]

I just don't agree.... Can you help out and give a verse that shows the homosexuality is a worse sin than the others?

I do not personally believe that homosexuality is a worse SIN than other SINS.

I had a church that had a heterosexual worship leader and heterosexual youth pastor who were engaged in pre-marital sex[fornication] with each other. This is equally as wrong to me and God.


Both were counseled and instead of submitting to restoration they both left the church, hurt and offended and are still not living for God. They really did not think having sex before marriage was really wrong.

I also relieved the Pastor of the church for allowing it happen under his watch.

 

[Jimbone]

oh baloney

as I was exchanging some posts with him regarding this, let me respond just a minute

he was not saying that all and I have NEVER seen him say anything positive about sin

frankly, I agree with all the heresy hunter stuff . there are some abject people out there for sure and I have posted about some of them right here...Bentley being one glaring example in particular

there is nothing in his post to say he is justifying any sin, let alone homosexualtiy

what gives?

as far as gossip goes? that should be preached on, written about and spoken about until Jesus comes back cause that has killed more people than homosexuality

you know, Jesus can 'cure' a homo, but it seems Christian gossipers always have an excuse for this glaring and very wicked sin

and don't take this personally. I think you are basically someone I agree with, but I'm just in the mood to state my mind

who knows

could happen again some time

Fair enough, but I wasn't saying he wanted to or was trying to glorify it, but he was most certainly equating the two, and the latter had NOTHING at all to do with the conversation. It's just trying to point attention away from what was being discussed with something completely off topic. It's a classic tactic the Muslims use all the time.
Example :
Guy 1: Why did Mohammed sleep with a little 9 year old girl?

Muslim: Your priest molest kids all the time.

See they just try to point elsewhere to avoid dealing with the question asked. I can't stand that tactic and it is exactly what was just done here by him. That's my only point, I wasn't saying that he was trying to give it the "OK", and G777 sorry if it came across like that.

 

[preacher4truth]

Wow, so we have some preaching homosexuals into heaven contrary to Scripture.

That isn't Christianity either, it's sentimentalism and politically correct indoctrination. Soon these could join the left to eradicate true believers who believe the Word of God in their campaign to stomp out "hate." Reminds me of the "churches" during Hitler's reign who assisted his efforts.

No wonder our churches are in so much trouble, people don't believe the Word; 1 Corinthians 6:10ff; Galatians 5:19ff; Ephesians 5:5ff. Practicing homosexuals are not Christians and they won't enter Heaven, nor will practicing thieves, drunkards and the rest named in Biblical text.

 

[Grace777x70]

I do not personally believe that homosexuality is a worse SIN than other SINS.

I had a church that had a heterosexual worship leader and heterosexual youth pastor who were engaged in pre-marital sex[fornication] with each other. This is equally as wrong to me and God.


Both were counseled and instead of submitting to restoration they both left the church, hurt and offended and are still not living for God. They really did not think having sex before marriage was really wrong.

I also relieved the Pastor of the church for allowing it happen under his watch.

Good post!

Now if the church did that for every work of the flesh - then it would be having the same result. We Christians allow malice and the slandering of others as well as some oter works of the flesh as if it is a badge or something.

It is just as much sinning as homosexual sinning and every other work of the flesh. All of them bring destruction in this life to us and we should be against them all. We can be such hypocrites in some areas which of course is sinning too as well as being deceitful in what others are saying...

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

 

[Grace777x70]

Fair enough, but I wasn't saying he wanted to or was trying to glorify it, but he was most certainly equating the two, and the latter had NOTHING at all to do with the conversation. It's just trying to point attention away from what was being discussed with something completely off topic. It's a classic tactic the Muslims use all the time.
Example :
Guy 1: Why did Mohammed sleep with a little 9 year old girl?

Muslim: Your priest molest kids all the time.

See they just try to point elsewhere to avoid dealing with the question asked. I can't stand that tactic and it is exactly what was just done here by him. That's my only point, I wasn't saying that he was trying to give it the "OK", and G777 sorry if it came across like that.

It's ok my precious brother. NO harm done...Bless you. I know your heart is good and right.

It is a contentious topic and it is such a deceitful sin too that is deceiving many people and it is wrong that the world thinks it's ok to be this way and to teach it to our children. It is a direct deviation of the life of God and we should be vehemently against anything that is not the life of God being manifested.

The world doesn't know any better but us Christians should know.

 

[ketu]

Everyday our generation strays farther away from the biblical principles I can't believe homosexuality is now a debate in a Christian forum SMH.....

 

[preacher4truth]

Everyday our generation starts farther away from the biblical principles I can't believe homosexuality is now a debate in a Christian forum SMH.....

You're correct and that is for several reasons. One is they just do not believe the Word of God, it is also up for debate. This is to not endure sound doctrine, they despise doctrine, just take a look around at the hate spread on those who are "theological" and preach for "sound doctrine" they are ridiculed, mocked, belittled &c.

A second reasoning is that they are indoctrinated more so by political correctness, main stream media and culture than they are by Scripture, God, the Holy Spirit or truth. It is a failure of Romans 12:1 "renewing of the mind" and "not being conformed to this present world."

We are sanctified by truth, just as Christ said in John 17:17; "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth." We then are set apart by God's Word and are then different from the world. These are like the world in ideology because of the fact they are not sanctified by the truth of the Word -- they reject it where they disagree.

Somehow these have come to conclude that their own truth and political correctness is to be their gospel and they have a few verses mixed in for good measure. They are described in 2 Timothy 3:5 as having a form of godliness, but denying its power. In other words in their gospel they deny the power that comes from it that transforms and leads to godliness. In the former verses of this same passage they are described in further detail.

I'm glad you're concerned, you should be, all true believers should be.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

(Thanks to whoever gave the rep)

 

[Meggido]

Good post!

Now if the church did that for every work of the flesh - then it would be having the same result. We Christians allow malice and the slandering of others as well as some oter works of the flesh as if it is a badge or something.

It is just as much sinning as homosexual sinning and every other work of the flesh. All of them bring destruction in this life to us and we should be against them all. We can be such hypocrites in some areas which of course is sinning too as well as being deceitful in what others are saying...

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

I teach the Pastors I lam a servant leader to that they need to clamp down on all works of the flesh just as hard as the sexual SINs.

 

[SovereignGrace]

To be homosexual is a clear rebellion of ppl against God. The woman was made for the man. Let's look at anatomy. God made Adam and we know how a man is 'adorned'. God then made Eve and we know how a woman is 'adorned'. After the fall, God told them to replenish the earth by being fruitful. IOW, by their intercourse they would bear fruit and replenish the earth. Now, male/male and female/female 'relations' can not bear fruit. Also, God destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah and some surrounding cities due to this sin. He also called it an abomination.

Then as others already posted, Romans 1 and 1 Cor. 6 mention it as being horribly wrong. But we live in a fallen world where goats have come into the fold and are pushing their leftist agendas.

When the church and world blend so smoothly together that you can't tell them apart, something's amiss.

 

[preacher4truth]

To be homosexual is a clear rebellion of ppl against God. The woman was made for the man. Let's look at anatomy. God made Adam and we know how a man is 'adorned'. God then made Eve and we know how a woman is 'adorned'. After the fall, God told them to replenish the earth by being fruitful. IOW, by their intercourse they would bear fruit and replenish the earth. Now, male/male and female/female 'relations' can not bear fruit. Also, God destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah and some surrounding cities due to this sin. He also called it an abomination.

Then as others already posted, Romans 1 and 1 Cor. 6 mention it as being horribly wrong. But we live in a fallen world where goats have come into the fold and are pushing their leftist agendas.

When the church and world blend so smoothly together that you can't tell them apart, something's amiss.

People here are more pleased with getting "reps" from others for their false teachings than they are for standing on God's Word and being pleasing to Him.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

(Except no one can know when what they post will get a rep, especially when everyone else hates what they post lol)

 

[SovereignGrace]

There is a pattern to everything God does. Adam, the first Adam, was a picture of the last Adam, the Christ. Eve was a picture of the body of Christ. Adam married his bride, Christ married His bride, the body of Christ.

You can see throughout the bible the picture of family. This picture is of a husband, wife and their kids. Plus, marriage has one head, the husband. A male/male 'marriage' has two heads and a female/female 'marriage' has no head. Both are unbiblical to the core.

 

[SovereignGrace]

James 1:27 says to keep ourselves from the pollution of the world. The world has already crept in. Look at all the 'affirming' churches.

 

[oldethennew]

People here are more pleased with getting "reps" from others for their false teachings than they are for standing on God's Word and being pleasing to Him.

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'people here',

your post is seeming to include 'all people HERE', how un-kind of you to say such a thing!

why would you even 'care' what people 'here' are concerned about, especially about
'reps'? why in God's Name would that even matter to you???

 

[dcontroversal]

I teach the Pastors I lam a servant leader to that they need to clamp down on all works of the flesh just as hard as the sexual SINs.

Couple of questions....does the bolded mean the top deacon?

What does this mean...fired him?

I also relieved the Pastor of the church for allowing it happen under his watch.

I also noticed you are in Arkansas....what "type of church" do you attend?

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
[SUP]27 [/SUP](For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
[SUP]28 [/SUP]That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 18:24-30

The big problem with homosexuality today is they have more people telling them it is ok, than people telling them just say no, majority rules today it seems. but majority will have no say on day of judgement. i have a gay son and have told him the same thing and he hates me for it, but oh well no skin off my back or blood on my hands.


[SUP]18 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.Ezekiel 3:18-19


[SUP]6 [/SUP]And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.Ezekiel 5:6-9

 

[joyfullyhis]

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There are several reasons I felt this needed to be brought back. It's only been a few years ago that Ray Boltz came out of the closet, confessing he fought with homosexuality for years, & finally just gave up. He was rejected & blacklisted.

Now, there's some that openly confess it with no repercussions at all.

I think it's important to see how it was ostracized a few years ago, but now it's accepted by many.

The church is rapidly changing, & everyone needs to see it as it is.

The church is changing because it does not want to call sin by its rightful name.

Isaiah 5.20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

 

[samuel23]

There is a very strong push right now in the West to promote and accept homosexuality. This movement has to be coming from Satan since homosexuality is an abomination to a Holy God. If you are a professing Christian you had better be on your guard so that you do not find yourself in any way agreeing with the homosexual movement, to do so is to bring the judgment of God upon yourself. As Christians we should strive to turn homosexuals from the evil they are involved in to God so that they can be forgiven and have a place in the family of God.