Gay stuff, not saying which way to judge, but hear the person before you judge

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Lighthearted

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Who are we to put God in a neat little box? Jesus Himself ate at the lepers house...Jesus Himself chose to spend His time among the least of us. Are we better than Him or was He setting an example? Yes, we are to come out from among them...Yes we are to be a city shining on a hill...but is He talking about avoiding them or is He talking about being an example of His mercies and His love...standing out with changed hearts ( no longer desiring sin) so they seek what works He has done in us? I want to be like Christ and I want to run the race...the HS leads me to follow His example. Each one of us will answer to the Lord and so, this is my choice and I will answer for it.
 

Hevosmies

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I'm saying preach the truth and let God show them their sin. I would think either God's gonna change a heart or they will walk away...but a seed has been planted and it's in God's hands to make it grow There are all types of sexual immorality walking in the doors of churches...all types of sin. When as the body of Christ did we become the head? When do we say who should be allowed in His house? It would kinda defeat the purpose to serve as His body.
Oy vey.

The church was never meant to be a place where lost people come to gather. Its a place of edification and learning and fellowship and praise of the Christians.

The christians are supposed to go OUTSIDE of the church building, to evangelize the lost. That is how Jesus has it organized.
 

Lighthearted

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Oy vey.

The church was never meant to be a place where lost people come to gather. Its a place of edification and learning and fellowship and praise of the Christians.

The christians are supposed to go OUTSIDE of the church building, to evangelize the lost. That is how Jesus has it organized.
Really, I've always been a firm believer in come as you are.
 

Lighthearted

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Oy vey.

The church was never meant to be a place where lost people come to gather. Its a place of edification and learning and fellowship and praise of the Christians.

The christians are supposed to go OUTSIDE of the church building, to evangelize the lost. That is how Jesus has it organized.
So, salvation happens out in the streets and sinners have no place in God's house? Well...that leaves just about most churches empty now doesnt it.
 

Hevosmies

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So, salvation happens out in the streets and sinners have no place in God's house? Well...that leaves just about most churches empty now doesnt it.
It sure does. Then again, "most churches" today are equivelent to going to the mall. In some cases the circus.

But again, you are making a comparison between christians who sin, and unbelievers. Different things alltogether.

Come as you are, thats one thing, but nowadays its stay as you are as well.
 

maxwel

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Oy vey.

The church was never meant to be a place where lost people come to gather. Its a place of edification and learning and fellowship and praise of the Christians.

The christians are supposed to go OUTSIDE of the church building, to evangelize the lost. That is how Jesus has it organized.

I think the above points are pretty salient.


What a church is:
The church, by definition, is an assembly of BELIEVERS.
That's the actual definition of the Greek word within the context of the New Testament.
The church is a group of believers, who are "called out", from the unbelievers, in order to assemble together.

That's what the church is.

Unbelievers are generally welcome to attend these assemblies of believers, so that they may hear the gospel, and become... BELIEVERS.

Unbelievers don't seem to have any biblical or logical place among an assembly of believers unless they are there to hear the gospel and become believers... so that they may become actual members of the assembly... which is an assembly of BELIEVERS.

What a church is not:
A church isn't a social club.
It is very specifically an assembly of believers, which is to attend to the spiritual needs of BELIEVERS.
If an unbeliever is there to become a believer, that's fine.
If an unbeliever just wants to hang out, and socialize, and share his opinions, and defend his sin... biblically, the assembly of believers is not really the place for that.


Didn't Jesus hang out with sinners?
If we want to fall back on the premise about Jesus hanging out with sinners -
we need to recognize this is intentionally misinterpreted.
Jesus was not hanging out with "unrepentant" sinners.
He was hanging out with sinners who had received his message, and who were repentant... the converted.

He preached openly to all, out in the highways and byways.
But his "companions" weren't unrepentant sinners... they were the converted.


Conclusion:
1.
A church, by definition, is an assembly of believers.Con...
2. So, if any sinner, of any variety, wants to attend an assembly of believers in order to become a believer ( repent, accept christ, and have a new life in Christ) ... that's great.
3. If any sinner, of any variety, just wants a place to hang out, keep living in sin, and try to justify and defend his sin... then an assembly of believers is not the place.
4. If uncoverted and unrepentant sinners are hanging out at YOUR local assembly of believers... and they are just fine living with sin, and they aren't convicted to either repent or leave... then your pastor isn't preaching the gospel. The gospel convicts people.

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Hevosmies

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I think the above points are pretty salient.


What a church is:
The church, by definition, is an assembly of BELIEVERS.
That's the actual definition of the Greek word within the context of the New Testament.
The church is a group of believers, who are "called out", from the unbelievers, in order to assemble together.

That's what the church is.

Unbelievers are generally welcome to attend these assemblies of believers, so that they may hear the gospel, and become... BELIEVERS.

Unbelievers don't seem to have any biblical or logical place among an assembly of believers unless they are there to hear the gospel and become believers... so that they may become actual members of the assembly... which is an assembly of BELIEVERS.

What a church is not:
A church isn't a social club.
It is very specifically an assembly of believers, which is to attend to the spiritual needs of BELIEVERS.
If an unbeliever is there to become a believer, that's fine.
If an unbeliever just wants to hang out, and socialize, and share his opinions, and defend his sin... biblically, the assembly of believers is not really the place for that.


Didn't Jesus hang out with sinners?
If we want to fall back on the premise about Jesus hanging out with sinners -
we need to recognize this is intentionally misinterpreted.
Jesus was not hanging out with "unrepentant" sinners.
He was hanging out with sinners who had received his message, and who were repentant... the converted.

He preached openly to all, out in the highways and byways.
But his "companions" weren't unrepentant sinners... they were the converted.


Conclusion:
1.
A church, by definition, is an assembly of believers.Con...
2. So, if any sinner, of any variety, wants to attend an assembly of believers in order to become a believer ( repent, accept christ, and have a new life in Christ) ... that's great.
3. If any sinner, of any variety, just wants a place to hang out, keep living in sin, and try to justify and defend his sin... then an assembly of believers is not the place.


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What this man said 100%

You have a way to deliver the message i was trying to say better than I ever could. Well done