gays and heaven

[kaylagrl]

actually i have to strongly disagree, enoch was so righteous that he never saw death and Job was a man who never sinned, not to mention Noah whose righteousness saved the world, Joseph a man of integrity and Daniel a man highly esteemed

The only sinless person,perfectly sinless, to walk this earth was Christ.

 

[kaylagrl]

i am not going to argue with u, just read Job, its all about the issues u are having thinking that no one can be righteous and all are sinners, and Jesus said he did not come for the righteous but sinners

Being righteous is not being sinless. No one in the Bible was sinless save Christ. Otherwise there was no need of His dying on the cross. Some other guy could have done it. No,only Christ was the spotless Lamb.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Christ's death on the cross was for all mankind. Not just some, ALL. Let's get that point straight first.

I Tim.2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



1Tim.4
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


Romans 5

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


1 John 2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

First of all, you will have to explain John 6:38 to me where Jesus said that he only died for those that his Father gave him and he also said that he would raise them all up at the last day, without the loss of even one. If Jesus died for all mankind, as you claim, then all mankind will live in heaven with him and I don't believe you believe that. Secondly, The "all men" and "the whole world" has reference to all men of the elect and the whole world of his elect. The Greek definition of the word "world" in 1 John 2:2 has a reference to John 1:29 which is interpreted by Thayer's Greek interpretation as "used of believers only", also in the following verses, John 3:16, 3:17, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I don't think Romans 3:9-20 leaves any room for exceptions. The Bible does refer to people as righteous, but not because they aren't sinners. When someone is saved, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them. Positionally they are righteous, in practice they are not. Enoch, Job, me, you. We are all sinners.

There will only ever be one person born who was completely sinless. That would be our awesome Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

Amen to that brother.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

actually i have to strongly disagree, enoch was so righteous that he never saw death and Job was a man who never sinned, not to mention Noah whose righteousness saved the world, Joseph a man of integrity and Daniel a man highly esteemed

This is your carnal mind making these statements, there is no scripture proof of such statements.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

will gay people get to heaven living a gay life style?

Christ paid for ALL of the sins of those that he died for, which was those that God gave him, and they will all go to heaven, however the active gay person will be changed to be like Jesus in the twinkling of the eye when he comes back to collect his elect of whom he died for. There will no gay people be in heaven.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

A Christian is no longer a thief, murderer, fornicator, drunkard.

For a Christian to identify with a lifestyle that the Holy Spirit says is an abomination is incomprehensible to the entire Christian World.

For anyone to teach that these types of lifestyles are ok for the Christian is also extremely wrong.


And to be clear I don't think Christians are ever perfectly sinless.
Christians sometimes make mistakes and lie, steal, get drunk, have sex with someone who isn't their spouse, but they aren't so proud of it that they say they are a Lying Christian, or a Drunk Christian, or Fornicating Christian.

They are a Christian that needs to turn from their own work and understanding and instead turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Like we all do.

That is true Grandpa, only the born again spiritual man will repent of breaking a spiritual law, because the natural man cannot discern a spiritual law.

 

[kaylagrl]

First of all, you will have to explain John 6:38 to me where Jesus said that he only died for those that his Father gave him and he also said that he would raise them all up at the last day, without the loss of even one.


" For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me." Where does that say He died only for a few?

If Jesus died for all mankind, as you claim, then all mankind will live in heaven with him and I don't believe you believe that.


Yes, Jesus died for all mankind, the verses I posted says so, so you're calling God a liar. He shed his for all,for whosoever will. That doesn't mean all will accept Him. But the offer is to all! The Bible is clear.



Secondly, The "all men" and "the whole world" has reference to all men of the elect and the whole world of his elect.


1 John 2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.





John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This verse totally negates your false doctrine. It says whosoever!!

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

John 12-47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


All those verses say He has come for the world. He is called the Light of the world! Anything else is false doctrine.

As far as someone living in sin, continually living a sinful lifestyle they will not see heaven. Period. The Bible also makes that clear.

The Greek definition of the word "world" in 1 John 2:2 has a reference to John 1:29 which is interpreted by Thayer's Greek interpretation as "used of believers only", also in the following verses, John 3:16, 3:17, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

 

[Dan58]

There will no gay people be in heaven.

There won't be any heterosexual people in heaven either.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

THAT OF ALL "WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME". I did not say that it was a few, but those his Father gave him. If God had given him all mankind, then all mankind will be in heaven and the scriptures will not condone that.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

There won't be any heterosexual people in heaven either.

You just took part of my post. I said that there would be people in heaven who practiced the gay lifestyle, but would be changed in the twinkling of the eye when Christ comes back to collect his elect at the last day. There will be no kind of sin in heaven.

 

[kaylagrl]

THAT OF ALL "WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME". I did not say that it was a few, but those his Father gave him. If God had given him all mankind, then all mankind will be in heaven and the scriptures will not condone that.

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

 

[kaylagrl]

You just took part of my post. I said that there would be people in heaven who practiced the gay lifestyle, but would be changed in the twinkling of the eye when Christ comes back to collect his elect at the last day. There will be no kind of sin in heaven.

There will be no practicing gays in heaven. There will be gays who have repented and turned from their sins. No repentance, no heaven. Period.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

You cannot ignore scriptures that you don't want to deal with or cannot explain. ALL scriptures must harmonize or you are not understanding the doctrine that Jesus taught.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

There will be no practicing gays in heaven. There will be gays who have repented and turned from their sins. No repentance, no heaven. Period.

Christ payed for ALL OF THE SINS of those that he died for, which was not all mankind. The gay's sins are paid for just as much as your sins are paid for.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

And I have explained every one of them to you.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

There is no invitation for eternal life.

 

[kaylagrl]

You cannot ignore scriptures that you don't want to deal with or cannot explain. ALL scriptures must harmonize or you are not understanding the doctrine that Jesus taught.

No! You are ignoring Scriptures and replacing them with man made false doctrine. Christ died for all,anything else is a lie.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No! You are ignoring Scriptures and replacing them with man made false doctrine. Christ died for all,anything else is a lie.

You seem to be ignoring John 6:38. Did you not read that Jesus said that he would raise up at the last day all of them that he died for? Is he going to raise mankind up to heaven?

 

[kaylagrl]

Christ payed for ALL OF THE SINS of those that he died for, which was not all mankind. The gay's sins are paid for just as much as your sins are paid for.

You are calling God's Word a lie!!

1.He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

2. … Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

3.“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

4. The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

5. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

6. Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

7. Who gave himself as a ransom for all....

8. They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”

9. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life

10. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

11. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.


12. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

13. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

14.For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all


15. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved...

Yes, the gays sins are paid for IF he turns from sin and accepts Christ as his Savior. If he continues to live in that sin he will split hell wide open. Salvation is a gift and you can accept it or choose to walk away. If you walk away then the wages of sin is death.