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T
It has to do with grammar so I have to rely on others:
"Now the "and," according to Hebrew usage - as well as that of most other languages - proves that the first verse is not a compendium of what follows, but a statement of the first event in the record. For if it were a mere summary, the second verse would be the actual commencement of the history, and certainly would not begin with a copulative. - - We have, therefore, in the second verse of Genesis no first detail of a general statement in the preceding sentence, but the record of an altogether distinct and subsequent event, which did not affect the sidereal heaven, but only the earth and it's immediate surroundings." Earth's Earliest Ages.
"Now the "and," according to Hebrew usage - as well as that of most other languages - proves that the first verse is not a compendium of what follows, but a statement of the first event in the record. For if it were a mere summary, the second verse would be the actual commencement of the history, and certainly would not begin with a copulative. - - We have, therefore, in the second verse of Genesis no first detail of a general statement in the preceding sentence, but the record of an altogether distinct and subsequent event, which did not affect the sidereal heaven, but only the earth and it's immediate surroundings." Earth's Earliest Ages.
On a side note, I loved Mark Twain as a child. I had this quote on a nice picture framed, that was coined to be his, I really liked it. But, years later, after I had given it away... I came to see it was not by Mark Twain! Anyway, I'll share it with you & talk to you here later. What a friend we have in Jesus.
" We are all travelers in the wilderness*of this*world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend."
Robert Louis Stevenson —*
" We are all travelers in the wilderness*of this*world, and the best we can find in our travels is an honest friend."
Robert Louis Stevenson —*
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T
What do you know about Satan's rebellion? Most people forget that that happened at some point in time.
Many believe that Revelation 12:7-9 has already happened. We don't need to go any further in our speculation than to know that Satan was already in the Garden when Adam and Eve were created. Otherwise, why did God tell Adam to 'guard' the garden? From what?
Many believe that Revelation 12:7-9 has already happened. We don't need to go any further in our speculation than to know that Satan was already in the Garden when Adam and Eve were created. Otherwise, why did God tell Adam to 'guard' the garden? From what?
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To LCark. I agree that verse 1, is the beginning. ( and that it dose not state when, the beginning was . )
But, the articles own commentary goes against its original statement, by saying verse 2, is some elaboration of verse one, the earth in formation or something....
What I'm saying is the thought should be followed to its end: God created the heaven and the earth. ( complete statement ) .
Then verse 2 is a statement unto itself . God did create Earth perfect: but in verse two there is a destruction in Hebrew its taken.
God dose not create something void. But as Isaiah 45:18 reports, God created it to be inhabited Not void.
So in reality we have the heavens and the earth created. ( no specifics given as to how long true )
Then at some point after, it was destroyed. Then the subsequent days in ""creating"" is actually a rejuvenation period : where it took six or so thousand years ( 2 Peter 3:8 ) to rejuvenate ; and cause a new creation ( plants and animals man in flesh ) on its surface , of the earth :That rejuvenation being the second age ( we are currently in ) The first age being in verse 1 alone .
But, the articles own commentary goes against its original statement, by saying verse 2, is some elaboration of verse one, the earth in formation or something....
What I'm saying is the thought should be followed to its end: God created the heaven and the earth. ( complete statement ) .
Then verse 2 is a statement unto itself . God did create Earth perfect: but in verse two there is a destruction in Hebrew its taken.
God dose not create something void. But as Isaiah 45:18 reports, God created it to be inhabited Not void.
So in reality we have the heavens and the earth created. ( no specifics given as to how long true )
Then at some point after, it was destroyed. Then the subsequent days in ""creating"" is actually a rejuvenation period : where it took six or so thousand years ( 2 Peter 3:8 ) to rejuvenate ; and cause a new creation ( plants and animals man in flesh ) on its surface , of the earth :That rejuvenation being the second age ( we are currently in ) The first age being in verse 1 alone .
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Repetition is one of the tools to help us learn. And I did not say that God created the earth on day one. I said what Scripture says, God created the earth in Verse 1 NOT Day 1 which is Verse 3.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Verse two follows, showing us an existing earth that among other things has "darkness" And in Verse 3, God provides the remedy for that darkness on the existing earth, "Let there be light..."
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Verse two follows, showing us an existing earth that among other things has "darkness" And in Verse 3, God provides the remedy for that darkness on the existing earth, "Let there be light..."
T
No, he wasn't. Just like anything, there is going to be controversy.
Many also think that the "gap" or the "interval" was invented to counter geology and Darwinism. That is also untrue.
The belief that creation, at least, dated backward for countless ages, was current in the church some 1400 years before Geology. "Six thousand years of our world," says St. Jerome, "are not yet fulfilled; and what eternities, what times, what originals of ages, must we not think there were before, in which Angels, Thrones, Dominions, and other Powers served God, and, apart from the vicissitudes and measures of times, subsisted, at the command of God!" Daniel the Prophet, by E. B. Pusey, D.D.
Many also think that the "gap" or the "interval" was invented to counter geology and Darwinism. That is also untrue.
The belief that creation, at least, dated backward for countless ages, was current in the church some 1400 years before Geology. "Six thousand years of our world," says St. Jerome, "are not yet fulfilled; and what eternities, what times, what originals of ages, must we not think there were before, in which Angels, Thrones, Dominions, and other Powers served God, and, apart from the vicissitudes and measures of times, subsisted, at the command of God!" Daniel the Prophet, by E. B. Pusey, D.D.
If you notice and re-read the account of creation there is one element that was not called good and that was the heaven.
Vs. 3-4 Light God saw as good
Vs. 6-8 God divides the waters by a firmament, calls firmament HEAVEN and nothing about it being good
Vs. 9-10 Gathering of waters and appearance of dry land...called good
Vs. 11-13 Grass, fruit trees, herbs...called good
Vs. 14-19 Sun, moon and stars and division of light and darkness...called good NOTE VS 11-12 before SUNLIGHT
Vs. 20-22 Waters bring forth sea life, other creatures and NOTE BIRDS...called good
Vs. 24-25 Creatures of the earth brought forth...called good
Vs.26-28 Man/Woman...not particularly called good as the above were.
Vs. 31 Generalized statement about everything made and it being good.
The word (good) in the Hebrew is applied in a very wide and broad sense such as good, goodly, beautiful, abundant, bountiful, pleasant, pleaseth, pleasing and two dozen other variations and understood in this manner gives new life into it's application above. Having said that, there are numerous things to consider with the above use of good or lack thereof such as
1. good is not applied to the heaven which is between the waters that have been divided...this would be the air where birds, jets and missiles fly. It was not good because the prince of the power of the air and his hierarchal dominion as found in Ephesians were already here.
2. It is interesting to note that the birds came from the water as most people will answer this question wrong.
3. Use the broad range of the word good and it's application to creation.
4. God creating the grass, trees etc. before the creation of the sun...goes in the face of evolutionists.
Like God made the sun, moon and stars and saw that it was Beautiful (good)
or God made the birds of the air and saw that they were abundant and pleasing (good)
God made the beasts of the earth and saw that they were bountiful (good)
With the broad application of the word itself I have no problem in applying it in the above fashion. Just my view mi amigo.
L
I do not know who Pember was, but whatever his theory, he certainly gets the grammar and syntax of the first verses correctly in your quote.
And I did not know that the gap theory had entered in here. For the sake of clear discussion, let us identify that when it comes up. Certainly there have been faithful Christians who believed that. In my own discussion here I am NOT positing the Gap Theory. It is highly speculative that requires too much reading into Scripture and goes against sound exegesis. I do not believe it but it is certainly fair to discuss it.
And I did not know that the gap theory had entered in here. For the sake of clear discussion, let us identify that when it comes up. Certainly there have been faithful Christians who believed that. In my own discussion here I am NOT positing the Gap Theory. It is highly speculative that requires too much reading into Scripture and goes against sound exegesis. I do not believe it but it is certainly fair to discuss it.
T
1 - Earth created perfect - to be inhabited.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
1 - Earth created perfect - to be inhabited.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
L
1 - Earth created perfect - to be inhabited.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
1 - Earth created perfect - to be inhabited.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.
2 - Satan's Rebellion
3 - God's judgment on earth
4 - God's reconstruction and further creation on earth - "very good"
Actually except for the word 'created' in Gen. 1:1, which establishes the beginning of time, that He 'created' is only mentioned in verses 5 and 6. He also blessed only those two days. All of the other days He either 'commanded' or 'made.' Interesting.